The main
point is that I am going to explain what is necessary to know from the point of
the Jewish faith and in particular what is lost by believing that G-d Himself
does everything i,e. why was it necessary to create the spiritual angels?
Obviously this is a nonsense question for believing Jews who know the truth
since the Torah testifies to its truth as do the true scholars so how could
there be a question? If you say it concerns the belief in Angels, But a person
who does not believe in them is like one who doesn’t believe that Jerusalem
exists in the land of Israel since he never saw it himself. Such a person’s
views are rejected and refuted and he is considered crazy and a fool
If, the
question is why was it necessary for G-d to create them?
The
same question occurs as to why it was necessary to create snakes and insects
some of them causing harm and are damgerous and some are so small and can not
be seen with the unaided eye but are only seen with a microscope.
Similarly
there are many types of plants which seem worthless which our Sages have talked
about (Bereishis Rabbah 10, Vayikra Rabbah and Kohles Rabbah) and explained
that all are needed (this is also discussed in Shabbos(77b) and Berachos (31b)
We in fact do not know why the world could not be created without them and yet we think with our puny minds that the world could properly function without them. In addition our senses tell us that these exist and of their obvious creation without a doubt and they can not be denied so surely concerning creatures such as Angels which are large sized and extremely beneficial – even though they are also hidden from our physical eyes. Thus we (the descendants' of Avraham Yitzchok and Yaakov) are forced to rely on testimony of the Torah and the true scholars to know why they are necessary.It is also possible to find various benefits from them and furthermore this is combined with the words of the philosophers and non Jewish scholars. The philosophers have conducted investigations regarding their characteristics as is noted by the sefer Ikkarim (2:12) However we will not follow that approach of bringing arguments and proof and evidence because that is prohibited as I have written. We are also not utilizing philosophic reasons which are inherently frivolous nonsense to those who adhere to the Torah. Furthermore Torah awareness is not like Non Torah reasoning as is noted in Sefer Ikkarim, My sole concern is to clarify to those who already believe the truth as we have been taught according to the words of our Sages who are the true scholars. I will answer this question from the Torah perspective since this question came about because of the nonsense of non Torah understanding regarding Creation and only believing what they can see.
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ReplyDeleteis because my purpose is not to criticize and explain their errors since it is
prohibited to answere a Jewish heretic because it could lead to his taking a
more extreme position as our
Sages have said."
But doesn't the Mishna Avot say "know what to answer the heretic". Or is the later version to know what the answer is, but not answer them?
Maharal
ReplyDeleteOK, thank you , this is what I found
ReplyDeleteRambam - "Know what to answer a heretic" - you need to
learn things that you can use to answer a gentile apikorus and debate
with them and answer them if they ask you. Our sages taught: "this
applies only to a gentile apikorus, but for a Jewish one, all the more
so, he will become more heretical" (Sanhedrin 38)., i.e. he will
increase to mock (and one who answers him will transgress (Vayikra
19:14): "do not put a stumbling block before a blind man" - Meorei Ohr).
https://dafyomireview.com/avot.php?d=37
Due to this, there is no need to speak to him at all and there is no remedy and no medication for him whatsoever, as written: "none who go to her return, neither do they attain the ways of life"
(Mishlei 2:19). They further said: "although you may learn the views of
the gentiles to know how to answer them, but guard yourself to not put
to heart (i.e. accept) anything of those views and know that He whom you
stand before knows the hidden (thoughts) of your heart. Thus, he
continued: "know before Whom you toil", i.e. that you align (kavin) your
heart with emuna (faith) of G-d.
from sanhedrin 38b:
ReplyDeleteתנן התם ר"א אומר הוי שקוד ללמוד תורה ודע מה שתשיב לאפיקורוס אמר ר' יוחנן ל"ש אלא אפיקורוס (של) עובדי כוכבים אבל אפיקורוס ישראל כ"ש דפקר טפי § We learned in a mishna there (Avot 2:14): Rabbi Eliezer says: Be persistent to learn Torah, and know what to respond to the heretic [la’apikoros]. Rabbi Yoḥanan says: This was taught only with regard to a gentile heretic, but not with regard to a Jewish heretic, as one should not respond to him. All the more so, if one does respond he will become more heretical. His heresy is assumed to be intentional, and any attempt to rebut it will only cause him to reinforce his position.
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either all apikorsim lack the ability to reason, or the the arguemnts of the rabbis are not rational enough to convince "heretics", through means of reason alone.
There is a 3rd option - someone can be a skeptic, agnostic, or apikores, but be intellectually honest. In this case, it is only the lack of good argumentation that will not succeed bringing him back to Torah.
Angels appear throughout the Tanach, people are visited by Angels, who then disappear.
ReplyDeleteToday we do not have nevuah, and we are not clear i angels appear or not, and even if they do, what tools do we have to determine if they are angels?
“Angels” Chullin 91b
ReplyDelete“The he said Let me go, for dawn is breaking. But he answered him I will not let you go, unless you bless me.” (Genesis 32:27). [Jacob] said to him, Are you a thief or a rogue that you are afraid of the morning? He replied: I am an angel, and from the day that I was created my time to sing praises [to the Lord] had not come until now. This [that angels sing praises, or that they are limited to an allotted time for song (Tosaf.)] supports the statement of R. Hananel in the name of Rab. For R. Hananel said in the name of Rab: Three divisions of ministering angels sing praises [to the Lord] daily; one proclaims: Holy, the other proclaims: Holy, and the third proclaims: Holy is the Lord of Hosts [Isa. VI, 3]. An objection was raised: Israel are dearer to the Holy One, blessed be He, than the ministering angels, for Israel sing praises to the Lord every hour, whereas the ministering angels sing praises but once a day. (Others say: Once a week; and others say: Once a month; and others say: Once a year; and others say: Once in seven years; and others say: Once in a jubilee; and others say: Once in eternity.) And whereas Israel mention the name of God after two words, as it is said: Hear, Israel, the Lord [“Hear שמע, O Israel ישראל! The lord is our God, the lord alone אחד.” Deuteronomy 6:4 ] etc., the ministering angels only mention the name of God after three words, as it is written: Holy, holy, holy, the Lord of hosts [“And one would call to the other, Holy, holy, holy, The Lord of Hosts; His presence fills the earth מלא כל הארץ כבודו!” (Isaiah 6:3].
Hertz Chumash p. 124: “The opponent’s anxiety to escape before ‘the day breaketh’ suggests to the patriarch’s mind that he was a supernatural Being. Jacob, therefore, demanded a blessing as the price of relief.” Beautiful.