Yated Is a rebbetzin a religious leader? Or is the term an honorary title denoting nothing more than “wife of a rabbi?”
The
question lay at the heart of an unprecedented court case in Portland,
Oregon, in which Mrs. Esther Fischer and Mrs. Sarah Goldblatt, two
kollel wives employed with their husbands by the Portland Community
Kollel, were subpoenaed in a divorce trial. The women were asked to
disclose personal and confidential information they had received from
the wife in the divorce case, which might have bearing on child custody
issues coming before the court.
The women responded that such information, including confidences
shared in person, by letter, over the phone and through emails and
texts, was protected by the statute governing clergy privilege, similar
to the law granting attorney-client privilege.
As rebbetzins in the Portland community, they said, their
conversations with community members fell under the rubric of a state
law protecting the confidentiality of information entrusted to
clergymen. As advised by rabbonim, the women said they were not
permitted to share personal information they had received from a woman
they had taught or counseled.[...]
As the testimony and deposition continued, the atmosphere in the room
seemed to change. The questioning came to an end and Judge Beth Allen,
in an unusual departure from protocol, issued her ruling on the spot.
“It
seems pretty clear,” she said, “that the issue here is not about
official ordainment as a means of identifying Orthodox Jewish clergy.
The state is not in a position to dictate to religious organizations how
to define their clergy. The key seems to be how the movement itself
identifies its religious leaders.”
“In Orthodox Judaism, where
only men can be rabbis, men can have their confidences protected by the
law when they talk to the rabbi. But what about the women who prefer not
to talk to male clergymen about deeply personal matters and turn to
women religious leaders for guidance? Is it reasonable that women who
prefer to open their hearts to other women should be deprived of the
law’s protection?
“I don’t believe that is what the statute
governing clergy privilege intended,” the judge concluded, granting the
kollel wives in this precedent-setting case their motion to void the
subpoena.[...]
Wasn't there a case many years with a 'frum' guy who told Rabbi Tendler that he murdered his business partner and pregnant wife?
ReplyDeleteThe defense was that this was privileged information. I remember one of the Gdolim in America testifying that there is no such confessional confidentiality in Judaism. The guy was convicted and went to jail.
So what changed?
http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/RabbinicCounseling1.html
ReplyDeleteClergy confidentiality is unique, at least in NY, in that the clergy can waive the confidentiality (as opposed to attorney confidentiality, where only the client can waive the confidentiality).
ReplyDeleteIn the r tendler (sr) (the s-i-l) case, r tendler waived the confidentiality, and testified (that the accused admitted the crime. And that there is no confession concept in judaism.)
No chol hamoed shiur this year?
ReplyDeleteIt is still possible but doesn't seem likely this year
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