https://www.kotzkblog.com/2019/10/247-rabbi-aryeh-kaplan-man-behind-books.html
R. Kaplan wrote that some medieval Kabbalists may have used psychedelic drugs[8] to achieve lofty states. Also, cannabis, known as k’nei bosem (sounds similar) was used in the anointing oil.[9]
Balsam, not cannabis
ReplyDeleteAnd your expertise is?!
ReplyDeleteIdentification of kaneh bosem
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_anointing_oil
Acorus calamus
Most lexicographers, botanists, and biblical commentators translate keneh bosem as "cane balsam".[27][28] The Aramaic Targum Onkelos renders the Hebrew kaneh bosem in Aramaic as q'nei busma.[29] Ancient translations and sources identify this with the plant variously referred to as sweet cane, or sweet flag (nl. the Septuagint, the Rambam on Kerithoth 1:1, Saadia Gaon and Jonah ibn Janah). This plant is known to botanists as Acorus calamus.[30] According to Aryeh Kaplan in The Living Torah, "It appears that a similar species grew in the Holy Land, in the Hula region in ancient times (Theophrastus, History of Plants 9:7)."[31]
Cymbopogon
Maimonides, in contrast, indicates that it was the Indian plant, rosha grass (Cymbopogon martinii), which resembles red straw.[32] Many standard reference works on Bible plants by Michael Zohary (University of Jerusalem, Cambridge, 1985), James A. Duke (2010), and Hans Arne Jensen (Danish 2004, English translation 2012) support this conclusion, arguing that the plant was a variety of Cymbopogon. James A. Duke, quoting Zohary, notes that it is "hopeless to speculate" about the exact species, but that Cymbopogon citratus (Indian lemon-grass) and Cymbopogon schoenanthus are also possibilities.[33][34] Kaplan follows Maimonides in identifying it as the Cymbopogon martinii or palmarosa plant.[31][35]
Cannabis
Sula Benet in Early Diffusion and Folk Uses of Hemp (1967), identified it as cannabis.[36] Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan notes that "On the basis of cognate pronunciation and Septuagint readings, some identify Keneh bosem with the English and Greek cannabis, the hemp plant. Benet argued that equating Keneh Bosem with sweet cane could be traced to a mistranslation in the Septuagint, which mistook Keneh Bosem, later referred to as "cannabos" in the Talmud, as "kalabos", a common Egyptian marsh cane plant.[36]
I'm not under the influence
ReplyDeleteAnd therefore everything you say is true?
ReplyDeleteWow you like "When did you stop beating your wife attacks!
ReplyDeleteYou have no facts just like slander
nope, that is nonsense
ReplyDeleteyou just produced a source that largely identifies Balsam, then you ask where my facts are?
no, the reverse - when someone is under the influence, their claims should be taken with a lot a of salt.
ReplyDelete"When did you stop beating your wife attacks!"
ReplyDeleteis used by Prof rabbi Gottlieb, when he says not all questions should be answered. Correct, but it is also overapplied - he says that asking him to define his terms is the "destruction of reason". Actually, some of his own claims are destruction of reason, eg the Neviim (other than Moshe) never made any predictions!
Nope! you are claiming that someone was intoxicated and thus is an invalid source - but produced no evidence for your nonsense claims
ReplyDeleteThen you claim my sources are supporting you - when they clearly indicate that the matter is subject to dispute
So again what makes you THE or even an authority?
when someone is driven by hatred - their claims are invalid
ReplyDeleteSince when is your dislike of the Kuzari principle validate your nonsense claims?!
ReplyDeletewhen it is hatred of idolatry, as per the Rambam (which you recently posted), then not.
ReplyDeleteBasmati rice is named so because of its fragrance
ReplyDeleteEtymologyAccording to Oxford English Dictionary, the word "basmati" derives from Hindi बासमती, bāsmatī, literally meaning "fragrant",[7] from बास (bās, “fragrance”) + the word-forming suffix -मती (-matī).
Ironcially, cannabis is reputedly a foul smelling plant, which is colloquially known by an expletive 4 lettered word which denotes faeces.
aha, the above is not part of the Kuzari principle. it is separate argument altogether. "
ReplyDelete"When did you stop beating your wife" is a loaded question - which presupposes guilt.
there are no meforshim who equate Kneh Bosem with cannabis
ReplyDeleteThere are meforshim who equate it with other plants or species. So do you now have a new rule of pesak , whcih you pulled out of your hat, that all previous authorities are rejected when moreinu adoneinu moshicheinu elokeinu Leonard kaplan comes up with some new nonsense and gets the book published and distributed widely?
https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/82554/who-says-that-keneh-bosem-is-cannabis
Cannabis
ReplyDeleteSula Benet in Early Diffusion and Folk Uses of Hemp (1967), identified it as cannabis.[36] Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan notes that "On the basis of cognate pronunciation and Septuagint readings, some identify Keneh bosem with the English and Greek cannabis, the hemp plant. Benet argued that equating Keneh Bosem with sweet cane could be traced to a mistranslation in the Septuagint, which mistook Keneh Bosem, later referred to as "cannabos" in the Talmud, as "kalabos", a common Egyptian marsh cane plant.[36]
Nope! you have no evidence for AZ but you hate him anyway
ReplyDeletebseder, no halachic sources.
ReplyDeleteYou need to be a rambam, rashi, rasag, Ibn Ezra, radak etc to learn Torah at this level, not some modern journalist or librarian.
All of the rishonim disagree with him.
The evidence I have produced previously, but you say since chassidim hold by this, it's acceptable.
ReplyDeleteBut he is not honest about it. He cites the Rambam's ikkarim, then says the opposite.
This seems interesting: https://www.amazon.ca/Cannabis-Chassidis-Ancient-Emerging-Torah/dp/157027262X
ReplyDeleteYou have creative readings on lots of things - that is not scholarship or proof for anything except indicating you don't like Rabbi Kaplan
ReplyDeleteNope!
ReplyDeleteI am creative?
ReplyDeleteA lot of conjecture presented as if it were fact
ReplyDeletehttps://www.timesofisrael.com/were-europes-great-rabbis-a-bunch-of-potheads/
When you are antagonistic, you make the most unconvincing claims, which you would reject on a normal day.
ReplyDeletePlease find one clear statement that R Kaplan
ReplyDelete1) supported AZ
2) advocated smoking marijuana
stating that a certain word might be marijuana or that marijuana might have been used is not the same as saying it should be used!
The burden of proof is on you and so far you have failed totally
1) AZ
ReplyDelete"Furthermore, God cannot be seen because there is no place empty of Him.
The reason is very much like the reason that the air cannot be seen; it
is an integral part of our environment, and this is all the more true of
God. The reason we cannot see God is not because He is too
transcendental, but because He is too immanent. The only time we are
aware of the air is when the wind blows. Similarly, we are only aware of
God when He acts to manifest His presence. This is why the same word, ruach, denotes both wind and spirit."
https://aish.com/48942416/
"From "The Handbook of Jewish Thought" (Vol. 1), Maznaim Publishing. Reprinted with permission "
In fact, that book, which I have read several times, makes several pantheistic statements. Since in this article , he is citing Maimonides' Principles as fully binding, he is using sleight of hand, to contradict them.
It is no different from Louis jacobs who claims to be both a belieer in torah min Hashamayim, and in the multiple authors of the Torah, chas vshalom!
see also:
ReplyDelete"KABBALISTS AND MIND
ALTERING SUBSTANCES:
R. Kaplan wrote that some
medieval Kabbalists may have used psychedelic drugs[8] to achieve
lofty states. Also, cannabis, known as k’nei bosem (sounds similar) was
used in the anointing oil.[9]" in https://www.kotzkblog.com/2019/10/247-rabbi-aryeh-kaplan-man-behind-books.html?m=0
Whilst this is not hard proof, it implies that he dabbled in this as well.
Nope! Total nonsense
ReplyDeleteIt is more likely given your obsession with this that you dabble in this
Nope! even someone on your level of scholarship must be aware of what a pathetic argument you are making
ReplyDeletenope, he is alleging that god is in the banana I just ate, and will also be in the finished product when the body expels waste food. it's just that we are not high enough to appreciate it. this is simply Baal peor , albeit couched in good English from someone with a masters degree in physics.
ReplyDeleteIt's part of hareidi doublethink. Secular education is so bad, but those rabbis who did achieve one are authorities on everything. Adultery is bad, except when done in bnei brak, and it's no big deal. 13 ikkarim are vital, except when we disagree, in which case they're not all they are cracked up to be.
Another nonsense rant!
ReplyDeletewhat is it about pantheism that you don't understand?
ReplyDeleteYou basically reject chassidiis and Kabbah - Rav Kaplan did not
ReplyDeletethe misNagdim had to apply this pressure to keep hassidism within halachic boundaries.
ReplyDeleteKabbalah was also under some pressure even by itself, until it exploded in the sabbatian heresy. Then again was repressed. Noda beyehuda tried to ban it outright. Even the highly rational Ramchal was was restricted by rav chagiz.
More nonsense - why can't you simply acknowledge you are talking above your pay scale ?
ReplyDeletePayscale fallacy. Who are yeshiva rabbis to discuss Talmud or Torah?
ReplyDeleteSee also;
Not only was Isserles a renowned Talmudic and legal scholar, he was also learned in Kabbalah, and studied history, astronomy and philosophy. He taught that “the aim of man is to search for the cause and the meaning of things”.[4] He also held that "it is permissible to now and then study secular wisdom, provided that this excludes works of heresy... and that one [first] knows what is permissible and forbidden, and the rules and the mitzvot".[5] Maharshal reproached him for having based some of his decisions on Aristotle. His reply was that he studied Greek philosophy only from Maimonides’ Guide for the Perplexed, and then only on Shabbat and Yom Tov - and furthermore, it is better to occupy oneself with philosophy than to err through Kabbalah.[6]
Take a pay cut;
ReplyDeleteNow, regarding the words of the Zohar, I do not wish to speak at length. How I am angered by those who study the book of the Zohar and the Kabbalistic literature in public. They remove the yolk of the revealed Torah from their necks, and chirp and make noises over the book of the Zohar, thus losing out on both, causing the Torah to be forgotten from Israel.
Furthermore, since our generation has seen an increase in the heretics of the sect of Shabbatai Tzvi...it would be proper to mend a fence and prohibit the study of the Zohar and the Kabbalistic texts...in any case, we do not rule Halacha from the Zohar...I do not deal with hidden secrets but merely reflect on that which has been permitted to me.” [11]
https://www.kotzkblog.com/2018/06/181-why-did-noda-biyehudah-ban-study-of.html?m=1
payscale:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.enramhal.com/Ramhal-Institute-1.html
Despite this very clear declaration, on
the insistence of Rabbi M. Haggiz, the Ramchal was coerced into signing an official document retracting his writing, in which he approved the following. "The duty of every Jew is to obey the orders of the Rabbis
even if they say that the right hand is the left, and the left hand is the right. I will to stop writing in the language of the Zohar or in other language, about Kabbalah, in the name of the Maggid or any other
Saintly Souls, in order to prevent quarrels amongst the learned men of
Israel."
time for me to take a break
ReplyDeletekol tuv