https://mishpacha.com/a-journey-that-never-ends/
Here’s another incredible story about the Chazon Ish that depicts his deep empathy for others. After World War II, a large girls’ orphanage was opened in Bnei Brak to house the hundreds of young women who had survived the war but had no parents to care for them.
Once, a few neighbors of the orphanage came to the Chazon Ish to complain. “On Shabbos, the girls sing zemiros together, and you can hear their voices outside the building. It’s kol ishah and an outrage.”
The Chazon Ish’s face lit up and he responded, “You don’t know how happy you just made me. Yiddishe maidelach, torn away from their parents who were murdered in the camps, with hardly any memories of what the Shabbos table looked like back in Europe, feel so at home in the orphanage and are so happy that they sing on Shabbos? I cannot thank you enough for bringing me this wonderful besurah!”
This is great-
ReplyDeletetoday this attitude does not exist, and I am critical of RZ , more than Hareidim.
Some threatened suicide "yehareg v'lo yaavor" over being forced to hear women soldiers sing.
Where are you comments showing greater criticism of RZ?
ReplyDeleteThe RZ were the ones who made the chiddush of yehareig regarding Kol Isha. which is it not.
ReplyDeleteYehareg v'lo yaavor needs to meet several conditions:
1) There needs to be a threat, /dilemma, to either transgress a sin or to be killed.
2) that sin needs to be one of 3 cardinal sins. Not a regular lav, asmakhta, d'rabbanan or minhag.
3) In the case where the evil oppressor is doing this for his own benefit, the above applies. when this is specifically done to destroy Judaism, and mock Judaism, then even minor aveiros can become Yeharaig.
The incident was about 10 -15 years ago, where Hesder yeshiva soldiers were required to sit at an IDF ceremony, which included some women singing. The ceremony was not designed to negate Torah, just for the pelasure and formality of the iDF command. (most chilonim know nothing about kol isha).
So one of the Rosh yeshivas of hesder said it was yehareg v'lo yaavor. Why? It does not fulfill any of the condirtions of Yehareig.
The Chazon ish also applied this to the call up of hareidi girls to the army. the fear was pritzus - innocent girls being forced into an alien and secularised, macho army. Whether this was a real halacha or an excellent bluff is debateable. No Hareidi has ever committed suicide in Israel regarding the draft or any other Zionist "crime" . I would respectfully apply the same rules to the case of the draft for girls.
Also, kol isha has various leniencies, is it passive or active?
ReplyDeleteIf you hear singing on the radio on a bus, is it a sin? Through a microphone and loudspeakers, is not the actual kol...
Wow more cherry picking - yes there are some who are lenient - but who besides you insist they must be universally accepted?
ReplyDeletewhy do you kep using this nonesense asrgument - if a posek is lenient - that is the official and true halacha?
So the goyim don't need bombs or missiles anymore, all they need is an army of female singers, and the frum yidden will shoot themselves.
ReplyDeleteI'm not insisting everyone keeps the more lenient position. Saying there is a lenient position does not imply everyone must be lenient.
ReplyDeleteexcuse me from diverging from this topic, but look at this wonderful Midrash brought by the Ohr haChaim
ReplyDeletehttps://www.sefaria.org/Exodus.32.19?lang=bi&with=Or%20HaChaim&lang2=en
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ויהי כאשר קרב אל המחנה, It was, when he came close to the camp, etc. Our sages have already told us in Megillah 10 that whenever the word ויהי introduces a paragraph this is an allusion to a painful experience. In this instance Shemot Rabbah 46,1 describes that Moses noted the letters on the Tablets "flying away." This caused us all the subsequent grief our forefathers and we ourselves have experienced ever since, including the experience of death itself. Had the original Tablets survived, every sorrow and calamity would have disappeared from the earth, and the world would have experienced freedom from the angel of death (compare section 41 in that Midrash.)
How would the whole world have escaped all sorrow, including death? Had the original Tablets not been smashed? (had the golden calf not been produced and used as a false god)?
Reread your comments!
ReplyDeleteNo they just need more "wise" spokesmen like you
ReplyDeleteis there an official and true halacha, or does it depend on your local orthodox rabbi /posek?
ReplyDeleteThere is definitely a false halacha usually by someone who is cherry picking what he wants to see
ReplyDeleteNonsense claim.
ReplyDeleteIf there was an official halacha, it would have stopped with the Talmud, rif, rambam, rosh, tur , sa, sa harav, mb, arukh, etc.
Obviously this has not happened.
No. I'm not on the list.
Yes, but how does the story end? Did the girls get to keep singing or is the next like "The CI took a deep breath. 'However,' he said, 'what they are doing is clearly against all opinions and therefore they have to be stopped immediately. With great kindness, of course!'"?
ReplyDeleteNot on the list but still confidently give discourses about it by ignoring what Poskim actually say
ReplyDeleteSo here is a question.
ReplyDeleterambam wrote about Ibn Magash that he was so knowledgeable, and that he (Rambam) only disagreed with a handful of his psakim. So does that suggest that the Yad was essentially the same as the code of Ibn magash (which is long lost)? Not in structure or format, but in essential halacha?
The "discourses" are my theories or my imperfect understanding. Whoever you have discourse with, will have a different level of understanding from you. Some might even know more (obviously there are not many gedolim who comment here).
ReplyDeleteI started by saying that many rabbis I've come across will keep chumros in kashrus or shabbes, but being Adam lchaveiro, they are frei.
unless there's a heter for this, I'm sticking to my guns.