It is a false dichotomy. In any case, do otehr minorities , or interest groups vote for the greater good, or for their own good? Do blacks vote Democrat becasue they are fairer to blacks, or becasue they care about global warming? Do muslims vote democrat for their economics, or for their pro-palestinian, pro immigration views? Why then should Jews be any different?
anti-semitism? Half of Jews in America marry out, so their numbers halve in each generation. You can't expect that Muslims will love you for voting Democrat? The white supremacists will hate us whatever we do (as you said, the mere fact that we recevied and practice Torah). Light unto the nations - try not breaking the rules with illegal weddings, minyanim, scams etc. Madoff, Epstein and other master criminals are not helping us.
ever hear the charge of dual loyalty? Trump claimed Jews need to support him because of loyalty to Israel. As Eric Hoffer noted Jews are expected to be more moral.
who acts like goyim? The secular/reform/intermarried democrats like Weinstein? Or Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky and other pro Republicans?
And let me remind you of where your arguments stem from:
On the one hand, Reform Steven wise and Lubavitch Joeseph schneerson refused to march or do anything to save Jews during the Holocaust. On the other hand, Rav Aharon Kotler and Hillel Kook moved night and day, were forced to be mechalel shabbos, and marched and pressured Washington.
wise and Schneerson used your galus mentality arguments. Rav Aharon and Hillel Kook did not give a damn about these sily arguments and worked night and day to save Jews.
Consequences are those that might be seen through natural cause and effect. If you see the world through the Torah lens, consequences are from continuing to sin or failing to do teshuva.
In Galus, there is cause and effect. The Christian right are generally pro- Israel. Islamo Left are antisemtic whatever you do.
apart from the 10,000 Jews in Iran, I think Jews everywhere else are free to move to Israel. perhaps the single Jew in Yemen might not be, but he can go to via Bahrain if he chooses to. I can't make a categorical statement about galus - since approx half the world's Jews live in chutz L'Aretz. In 2nd Temple time, some Jews remains in bavel, and Alexandria - so was galus over then?
There is no difference between now and yemei moshiach, except for subjugation to malchius. That is one pretty good definition. When Ramban codified it, he had to escape from Spain, then saw Israel under foreign rule, and settled in egypt.
There was no har nof, bnei brak, ponovezh etc in those days.
You were asking about galus. The situation today is different from even 80 years ago.
In any case, even when Jews were all Democrats, James Baker yemach shmo said "F@$% the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway". I think Trump was trying to do a tikkun for the antisemitism of baker, Buchanan etc.
Either America is a democracy or it's not. If you are saying it is antisemitic, only vote democrats, then it is not a democracy. If it is not a democracy, then why vote at all?
There is a kind of insanity that builds up in Rabbis, especially when they run out of good ideas. Assimilation, arayos, antisemitism, reform, galus, olam haba, 3 oaths, the sitra achara, etc. Trying to bombard us with these things , which in the end will lead to more sin.
Jeremiah told the exiles in Bavel to buld houses, and lead normal lives until the 70 years are over. In America, Jews have had a good run, unlike in Europe or Arab lands. They live comfortably, have houses, families, simchas, trips to Israel, build yeshivas, shuls, and do maasim tovim. What is your sudden obsession with Galus, while sitting in Eretz Hakodesh under a Jewish government that has a Rabbanut who are the only peopel to authorise Ketubot and Gittin?
You still have not provided any explanation of what you are driving at, just pecking at little grains like a chicken. "Galus"
OK, so what is the connection with voting for Trump or Biden? Isn't the reason Jews voted for democrats because they accepted and protected Jewish interests?
Also, in Avoth d'rabbi Nathan, he teaches us that the fundamental galut, the fall of Adam, was based on adding to the Torah, by claiming it was assur to touch the Tree. That one principle still holds today,
It is a false dichotomy.
ReplyDeleteIn any case, do otehr minorities , or interest groups vote for the greater good, or for their own good? Do blacks vote Democrat becasue they are fairer to blacks, or becasue they care about global warming? Do muslims vote democrat for their economics, or for their pro-palestinian, pro immigration views? Why then should Jews be any different?
something about being a light to the nations. and possibly antisemitism
ReplyDeleteanti-semitism? Half of Jews in America marry out, so their numbers halve in each generation. You can't expect that Muslims will love you for voting Democrat? The white supremacists will hate us whatever we do (as you said, the mere fact that we recevied and practice Torah).
ReplyDeleteLight unto the nations - try not breaking the rules with illegal weddings, minyanim, scams etc. Madoff, Epstein and other master criminals are not helping us.
Let's not forget harvey Weinstein, arch -Democrat supporter and macher
ReplyDeletehttps://www.businessinsider.com/harvey-weinstein-democratic-politics-sexual-harassment-scandal-2017-10?r=US&IR=T
just like Trump!
ReplyDeleteso what is your point?
ever hear the charge of dual loyalty?
ReplyDeleteTrump claimed Jews need to support him because of loyalty to Israel.
As Eric Hoffer noted Jews are expected to be more moral.
How about Biden and other Irish (Reagan) Americans, and their dual loyalty to the Irish cause?
ReplyDeleteLight unto the Nations? Only republican jews cause antisemitism? These are your baseless claims.
ReplyDeletered herring
ReplyDeletestop making up nonsense. No one claimed only republican Jews cause anti semitism
ReplyDelete"Do muslims vote democrat for their economics, or for their pro-palestinian, pro immigration views? Why then should Jews be any different?
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something about being a light to the nations. and possibly antisemitism"
That's what you said.
you think a Jew can act like a goy and there will be no significant consequences?!
ReplyDeleteDo you think we are no longer in Galus?!
what are you trying to say exactly?
ReplyDeletewho acts like goyim? The secular/reform/intermarried democrats like Weinstein? Or Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky and other pro Republicans?
And let me remind you of where your arguments stem from:
On the one hand, Reform Steven wise and Lubavitch Joeseph schneerson refused to march or do anything to save Jews during the Holocaust. On the other hand, Rav Aharon Kotler and Hillel Kook moved night and day, were forced to be mechalel shabbos, and marched and pressured Washington.
wise and Schneerson used your galus mentality arguments. Rav Aharon and Hillel Kook did not give a damn about these sily arguments and worked night and day to save Jews.
Consequences are those that might be seen through natural cause and effect. If you see the world through the Torah lens, consequences are from continuing to sin or failing to do teshuva.
In Galus, there is cause and effect. The Christian right are generally pro- Israel. Islamo Left are antisemtic whatever you do.
Do you think Galus ended?!
ReplyDeleteapart from the 10,000 Jews in Iran, I think Jews everywhere else
ReplyDeleteare free to move to Israel. perhaps the single Jew in Yemen might not be, but
he can go to via Bahrain if he chooses to.
I can't make a categorical statement about galus - since approx half the world's Jews
live in chutz L'Aretz. In 2nd Temple time, some Jews remains in
bavel, and Alexandria - so was galus over then?
Galus is not defined by Jews living in Israel.
ReplyDeleteThere is no difference between now and yemei moshiach, except for subjugation to malchius.
ReplyDeleteThat is one pretty good definition.
When Ramban codified it, he had to escape from Spain, then saw Israel under foreign rule, and settled in egypt.
There was no har nof, bnei brak, ponovezh etc in those days.
therefore?
ReplyDeleteYou were asking about galus. The situation today is different from even 80 years ago.
ReplyDeleteIn any case, even when Jews were all Democrats, James Baker yemach shmo said "F@$% the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway".
I think Trump was trying to do a tikkun for the antisemitism of baker, Buchanan etc.
You really think he is capable of such thoughts?!
ReplyDeleteHis yeshiva high school son in law was his main advisor
ReplyDeleteEither America is a democracy or it's not. If you are saying it is antisemitic, only vote democrats, then it is not a democracy. If it is not a democracy, then why vote at all?
ReplyDeleteridiculous choices
ReplyDeleteno it is not antisemetic but it is still galus
You obviously reject the concept of galus
You are talking in bits, like a pigeon, not presenting a logical or other type of argument. You leave the reader trying to guess what is on your mind.
ReplyDeleteDual loyalty
Antisemitism
Galus / not gallus
Black
White...
Ok so what? Mordechai was in Galus but he advised the king at times.
What are your goalposts? What are you trying to say?
There is a kind of insanity that builds up in Rabbis, especially when they run out of good ideas. Assimilation, arayos, antisemitism, reform, galus, olam haba, 3 oaths, the sitra achara, etc. Trying to bombard us with these things , which in the end will lead to more sin.
ReplyDeleteJeremiah told the exiles in Bavel to buld houses, and lead normal lives until the 70 years are over.
In America, Jews have had a good run, unlike in Europe or Arab lands. They live comfortably, have houses, families, simchas, trips to Israel, build yeshivas, shuls, and do maasim tovim. What is your sudden obsession with Galus, while sitting in Eretz Hakodesh under a Jewish government that has a Rabbanut who are the only peopel to authorise Ketubot and Gittin?
sudden?!
ReplyDeleteyou display a great ignorance of elementary Judaism!
You still have not provided any explanation of what you are driving at, just pecking at little grains like a chicken.
ReplyDelete"Galus"
OK, so what is the connection with voting for Trump or Biden?
Isn't the reason Jews voted for democrats because they accepted and protected Jewish interests?
Also, in Avoth d'rabbi Nathan, he teaches us that the fundamental galut, the fall of Adam, was based on adding to the Torah, by claiming it was assur to touch the Tree.
ReplyDeleteThat one principle still holds today,
No! guess again
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