“However, because the Chaimowitz get was contested after it was written, the rabbinical court in Israel asked Ralbag to do an in-depth investigation into whether the get was kosher, meaning that the get procedures were strictly followed.”
I, too, asked Ralbag regarding my 2/15/1993 divorce from Susan, which Susan claims before Judge Eric Prus was done without Susan’s knowledge and without he rparticipation.
Basically, RR was granted immunity, so his testimony helped convict them. His piece puts them at a different get, doing the exact same thing they were geared up to do to the 'victim' in the sting.
It concerns me deeply that Ralbag's testimony is proof that capers such as Epstein's are known in high rabbinic corridors. Israel knew about it, Ralbag knew about it...I guess many know about it.
That rabbinical leadership can so nonchalantly countenance kidnapping and coercion in 21st century American society is a חילול השם of no small order. All the players who allowed these events to continue over decades will undoubtedly have a great deal to answer for when the מקטרגים provide testimony at their REAL trials, ביום הדין הגדול והנורא. I'm sick to my stomach.
I think if so many rabbi ppl knew about it maybe it's more halachically sound than we are led to believe on this website. And about the chillul hashem; although that's also true but if they think they are right then they go ahead with it. You probably also think when the Torah commands us to kill amalek and the c'naanim we shouldn't follow that because of chillul Hashem too.
Judaism is a religion for the masses, not just for the aristocracy. Everyone is entitled to be knowledgable.
Your point parrots the common view that 'we' are too 'small' and 'uneducated' to question 'authority'. It is Daas Torah philosophy regurgitated.
Find me a rabbi who actually believes committing A-1 Felonies (such as kidnapping) is the way to achieve proper Jewish divorces, and you will have found a Class A ignoramus. And you can quote me on that.
Your point on Amalek only strengthens my argument. If you think someone will 'pasken' you can kill a dyed-in-the-wool member of Amalek today, you have no conception of how Halacha operates.
Even if they had violated no secular laws, their Kangaroo Beis Din "verdict" that it is permitted to use force to obtain the Get from the husband was halachicly invalid and the resulting Get obtained with force was null and void because the husband never was at the so-called "beis din" case where they rendered a verdict of using force, and it is halachicly impossible to issue a beis din verdict when one of the parties is absent from the beis din courtroom,
The masses witnessed Moshe Rabenu violating Tzivas hashem, still and all it didn't make it right nor more sound. On the chilul haShem, it states Ya'an asher lo kidashtem osi in spite of what Moshe Rabenu *thunk* how right it might be. Your kna'ani business is not so clear and legible, but when King Shaul spared Amalek, he lost his kingdom over it. The chilul hashem was for violating Tzivui Hashem. Wrong on all counts.
“Ralbag further testified at trial about the statements provided by the four witnesses at the beth din, and those hearsay statements were admitted against the defendants to implicate them in the alleged kidnapping of Chaimowitz.”
I quote Criminal Complaint filed 10/7/2013 in Pacer
“14. Defendant MENDEL EPSTEIN admitted to committing approximately one kidnapping every year to year and a half….
15. Defendant MENDEL EPSTEIN stated that the kidnapping would cost $10,000 to pay for the rabbis on the rabbinical court to approve the kidnapping….
For 30 years all those who participated in approving the kidnappings are complicit in the kidnappings---shame shame shame.
Biblical law strictly forbids kidnapping, mandates the most severe punishment, and calls kidnappers evil.
“If a man is found to have kidnapped a fellow Israelite, enslaving him or selling him, that kidnapper shall die; thus you will sweep out evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 24:7)
“He who kidnaps a man—whether he has sold him or is still holding him—shall be put to death.” (Exodus 21:16)
I am not disputing the gross violation of Halacha. I am just hoping that you and my friend Ehud acknowledge that the public spectacle of 'rabbis' and sofrim being charged, tried, and convicted of some of the most serious of crimes on society's books makes the דין וחשבון they will called to give MUCH more severe.
You do realize tht kidnapping in the Torah has a different translation than that of United States or maybe you don't ??
Baba Kama 85b
“From this discussion it would appear that a case could arise where the Four Items [צער ריפוי שבת ובשת] would be paid even where no Depreciation [נזק] was caused. But how could such a case be found where no Depreciation [נזק] was caused? Regarding Pain [צער] it was stated: Pain: If he burnt him either with a spit or with a nail, even on his [finger] nail which is a place where no bruise could be made. Healing could apply in a case where one had been suffering from some wound which was being healed up, but the offender put on the wound a very strong ointment which made the skin look white [like that of a leper] so that other ointments have to be put on to enable him to regain the natural color of the skin. Loss of Time [שבת] [without Depreciation [נזק] could occur] where the offender [wrongfully] locked him up in a room [kidnapping] and thus kept him idle. Degradation [נזק] [could apply] where he spat on his face.”
רמב"ם הלכות חובל ומזיק פרק ב הלכה ג
כווהו בשפוד או במסמר על צפרניו במקום שאינו עושה חבורה ולא מעכב מלאכה משלם הצער בלבד, השקהו סם או סכו סם ושינה מראה עורו משלם לו רפוי בלבד עד שיחזור מראהו כמות שהיה, * אסרו בחדר נותן לו דמי שבת בלבד, וכן כל כיוצא באלו.
שולחן ערוך חושן משפט הלכות חובל בחבירו סימן תכ סעיף יא
הכניסו בחדר וסגר הדלת עליו ובטלו ממלאכתו, אינו נותן לו אלא שבת בלבד. טז] אבל אם היה כבר בחדר וסגר עליו מלצאת, {יא} הוי גרמא בנזקין ופטור מדיני אדם.
Wrongfully locking up a person in a room is kidnapping, according the gamara, Rambam and the Shulchan Aruch.
This is full blast Kidnapping and guilty bedinei odom. The kidnapped becomes enslaved totally and at the mercy and whim of his captors to extract monetary value and in fear for his life with Electrical Batons, Makot retzach, and Bloody Murder should he not comply. There is no difference of whether the money is extracted through the sweat of his eyebrows as Eved, selling him, or getting paid ran$om for relieving him of his goods and posessions, stealing his Kivsas hoRosh, children, dignity and his physical being. The Enabler rabiners of Sod H' Lireiov that ordered in doing so are fully culpable in Kidnapping Bimlo Muvan Hamila, hen midinei odom, vehen midinei shamayim, vehen midinei Demalchusse. The laws of the Land in USA is even more elaborate of such abduction, imprisonment for a consideration, ransom, and any gain extracted through this aka *Kidnapping*. They should all get punishment and retribution as they well deserve. Uviarta hara mikirbecho. These relcalcitrant rabiners should not be left off the hook for biting into the forbidden fruit of *ochel bei kurtzei*. There are enough other Gittin meussei - forced gittin to go around and be tried for. It will be a big kvod Shamayim in bringing them to Justice for all the Chilul Hashem they caused. Kidnapping is Kidnapping is Kidnapping no matter how you slice it. Lock them all up and throw away the key, pretty Please! ty
“Mendel Epstein:Jay Goldstein's appeal August 2016” “Because Ralbag did not have sufficient recollection about the testimony from the beth din, and the contents of the document relied upon to refresh his recollection were of questionable origins, Ralbag’s testimony was unreliable and should have been excluded” Now, I say, that Ralbag was the chief of the criminal gang. True he got $10,000 per pop while Mendel Epstein got $50,000. Ralbag, Schecter, and Goldfein are the big brains and teachers of the criminal gang. The prosecution gave them immunity to get convictions. Mendel Epstein et al and Jay Goldtsein et al should express regret and say that Ralbag, Schecter, and Goldfein pounded into their heads that their foul method of divorce is proper and holy---in total defiance to the rabbis of Israel method. Ralbag, Schecter, and Goldfein would rave against the rabbis of Israel, saying rabbis of Israel know nothing of true Torah, as only they do. They should plead for a sentence reduction that they had only good and noble intentions, stressing that Ralbag, Schecter, and Goldfein are the king pins and entrapped them. Is it fair that Ralbag, the true head, should get an immunity and his damning testimony given such high level credence? Ralbag, Schecter, and Goldfein lied and squealed on their workers trying to save their skins. Ralbag, Schecter, and Goldfein were the bosses.
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Was Rabbi Ralbag's testimony on behalf of or against the defendents?
ReplyDelete“However, because the Chaimowitz get was contested after it was written, the rabbinical court in Israel asked Ralbag to do an in-depth investigation into whether the get was kosher, meaning that the get procedures were strictly followed.”
ReplyDeleteI, too, asked Ralbag regarding my 2/15/1993 divorce from Susan, which Susan claims before Judge Eric Prus was done without Susan’s knowledge and without he rparticipation.
Basically, RR was granted immunity, so his testimony helped convict them. His piece puts them at a different get, doing the exact same thing they were geared up to do to the 'victim' in the sting.
ReplyDeleteIt concerns me deeply that Ralbag's testimony is proof that capers such as Epstein's are known in high rabbinic corridors. Israel knew about it, Ralbag knew about it...I guess many know about it.
ReplyDeleteThat rabbinical leadership can so nonchalantly countenance kidnapping and coercion in 21st century American society is a חילול השם of no small order. All the players who allowed these events to continue over decades will undoubtedly have a great deal to answer for when the מקטרגים provide testimony at their REAL trials, ביום הדין הגדול והנורא. I'm sick to my stomach.
I think if so many rabbi ppl knew about it maybe it's more halachically sound than we are led to believe on this website. And about the chillul hashem; although that's also true but if they think they are right then they go ahead with it. You probably also think when the Torah commands us to kill amalek and the c'naanim we shouldn't follow that because of chillul Hashem too.
ReplyDeleteJudaism is a religion for the masses, not just for the aristocracy. Everyone is entitled to be knowledgable.
ReplyDeleteYour point parrots the common view that 'we' are too 'small' and 'uneducated' to question 'authority'. It is Daas Torah philosophy regurgitated.
Find me a rabbi who actually believes committing A-1 Felonies (such as kidnapping) is the way to achieve proper Jewish divorces, and you will have found a Class A ignoramus. And you can quote me on that.
Your point on Amalek only strengthens my argument. If you think someone will 'pasken' you can kill a dyed-in-the-wool member of Amalek today, you have no conception of how Halacha operates.
Even if they had violated no secular laws, their Kangaroo Beis Din "verdict" that it is permitted to use force to obtain the Get from the husband was halachicly invalid and the resulting Get obtained with force was null and void because the husband never was at the so-called "beis din" case where they rendered a verdict of using force, and it is halachicly impossible to issue a beis din verdict when one of the parties is absent from the beis din courtroom,
ReplyDeleteThe masses witnessed Moshe Rabenu violating Tzivas hashem, still and all it didn't make it right nor more sound. On the chilul haShem, it states Ya'an asher lo kidashtem osi in spite of what Moshe Rabenu *thunk* how right it might be. Your kna'ani business is not so clear and legible, but when King Shaul spared Amalek, he lost his kingdom over it. The chilul hashem was for violating Tzivui Hashem. Wrong on all counts.
ReplyDeleteIndeed, the chilul hashem was for beating up and forcing a nonexisting husband for a Get.
ReplyDelete“Ralbag further testified at trial about the statements provided by the four witnesses at the beth din, and those hearsay statements were admitted against the defendants to implicate them in the alleged kidnapping of Chaimowitz.”
ReplyDeleteI quote Criminal Complaint filed 10/7/2013 in Pacer
“14. Defendant MENDEL EPSTEIN admitted to committing approximately one kidnapping every year to year and a half….
15. Defendant MENDEL EPSTEIN stated that the kidnapping would cost $10,000 to pay for the rabbis on the rabbinical court to approve the kidnapping….
For 30 years all those who participated in approving the kidnappings are complicit in the kidnappings---shame shame shame.
Biblical law strictly forbids kidnapping, mandates the most severe punishment, and calls kidnappers evil.
“If a man is found to have kidnapped a fellow Israelite, enslaving him or selling him, that kidnapper shall die; thus you will sweep out evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 24:7)
“He who kidnaps a man—whether he has sold him or is still holding him—shall be put to death.” (Exodus 21:16)
I am not disputing the gross violation of Halacha. I am just hoping that you and my friend Ehud acknowledge that the public spectacle of 'rabbis' and sofrim being charged, tried, and convicted of some of the most serious of crimes on society's books makes the דין וחשבון they will called to give MUCH more severe.
ReplyDeleteYou do realize tht kidnapping in the Torah has a different translation than that of United States or maybe you don't ??
ReplyDeleteArthur Gerald Aranoff • 28 minutes ago
ReplyDeleteYou do realize tht kidnapping in the Torah has a different translation than that of United States or maybe you don't ??
Baba Kama 85b
“From this discussion it would appear that a case could arise where the Four Items [צער ריפוי שבת ובשת] would be paid even where no Depreciation [נזק] was caused. But how could such a case be found where no Depreciation [נזק] was caused? Regarding Pain [צער] it was stated: Pain: If he burnt him either with a spit or with a nail, even on his [finger] nail which is a place where no bruise could be made. Healing could apply in a case where one had been suffering from some wound which was being healed up, but the offender put on the wound a very strong ointment which made the skin look white [like that of a leper] so that other ointments have to be put on to enable him to regain the natural color of the skin. Loss of Time [שבת] [without Depreciation [נזק] could occur] where the offender [wrongfully] locked him up in a room [kidnapping] and thus kept him idle. Degradation [נזק] [could apply] where he spat on his face.”
רמב"ם הלכות חובל ומזיק פרק ב הלכה ג
כווהו בשפוד או במסמר על צפרניו במקום שאינו עושה חבורה ולא מעכב מלאכה משלם הצער בלבד, השקהו סם או סכו סם ושינה מראה עורו משלם לו רפוי בלבד עד שיחזור מראהו כמות שהיה, * אסרו בחדר נותן לו דמי שבת בלבד, וכן כל כיוצא באלו.
שולחן ערוך חושן משפט הלכות חובל בחבירו סימן תכ סעיף יא
הכניסו בחדר וסגר הדלת עליו ובטלו ממלאכתו, אינו נותן לו אלא שבת בלבד. טז] אבל אם היה כבר בחדר וסגר עליו מלצאת, {יא} הוי גרמא בנזקין ופטור מדיני אדם.
Wrongfully locking up a person in a room is kidnapping, according the gamara, Rambam and the Shulchan Aruch.
This particular appeal is all technologies, no factual arguments.
ReplyDeleteCan you post the appeals from the other defendants? Especially since this appeal references others' appeals.
This is full blast Kidnapping and guilty bedinei odom. The kidnapped becomes enslaved totally and at the mercy and whim of his captors to extract monetary value and in fear for his life with Electrical Batons, Makot retzach, and Bloody Murder should he not comply. There is no difference of whether the money is extracted through the sweat of his eyebrows as Eved, selling him, or getting paid ran$om for relieving him of his goods and posessions, stealing his Kivsas hoRosh, children, dignity and his physical being. The Enabler rabiners of Sod H' Lireiov that ordered in doing so are fully culpable in Kidnapping Bimlo Muvan Hamila, hen midinei odom, vehen midinei shamayim, vehen midinei Demalchusse. The laws of the Land in USA is even more elaborate of such abduction, imprisonment for a consideration, ransom, and any gain extracted through this aka *Kidnapping*. They should all get punishment and retribution as they well deserve. Uviarta hara mikirbecho. These relcalcitrant rabiners should not be left off the hook for biting into the forbidden fruit of *ochel bei kurtzei*. There are enough other Gittin meussei - forced gittin to go around and be tried for. It will be a big kvod Shamayim in bringing them to Justice for all the Chilul Hashem they caused. Kidnapping is Kidnapping is Kidnapping no matter how you slice it. Lock them all up and throw away the key, pretty Please! ty
ReplyDeleteKidnapping is the same in all the civilized Laws of the Land, all across the board and religions!
ReplyDelete“Mendel Epstein:Jay Goldstein's appeal August 2016”
ReplyDelete“Because Ralbag did not have sufficient recollection about the testimony from the beth din, and the contents of the document relied upon to refresh his recollection were of questionable origins, Ralbag’s testimony was unreliable and should have been excluded”
Now, I say, that Ralbag was the chief of the criminal gang. True he got $10,000 per pop while Mendel Epstein got $50,000. Ralbag, Schecter, and Goldfein are the big brains and teachers of the criminal gang. The prosecution gave them immunity to get convictions. Mendel Epstein et al and Jay Goldtsein et al should express regret and say that Ralbag, Schecter, and Goldfein pounded into their heads that their foul method of divorce is proper and holy---in total defiance to the rabbis of Israel method. Ralbag, Schecter, and Goldfein would rave against the rabbis of Israel, saying rabbis of Israel know nothing of true Torah, as only they do. They should plead for a sentence reduction that they had only good and noble intentions, stressing that Ralbag, Schecter, and Goldfein are the king pins and entrapped them. Is it fair that Ralbag, the true head, should get an immunity and his damning testimony given such high level credence? Ralbag, Schecter, and Goldfein lied and squealed on their workers trying to save their skins. Ralbag, Schecter, and Goldfein were the bosses.
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