The discussion concerning the Schlesinger twins has settled into a routine. I will post documents or material from court documents - and Dr. Schlesinger's supporters will respond either by making clearly false attacks on Beth or myself or they will present information which turns out to be inaccurate or false. One example from this week.
On April 29 8:52 p.m. franzklammer one of Dr. Schlesinger supporters left a comment to the post "Schlesinger Twins: Does Michael's tragic family history...":
Indeed he [Dr. Schlesinger] is a psychaitrist now and opened a doctors office together with a colleague in the 4.th district. He has lots of patients which is easy here in vienna. Everyone has problems==================
I received the following information about Dr Schlesinger's status as a psychiatrist in the 4th district. [If franzklammer has proof that he is in fact a psychiatrist - I will be glad to post it.]
Dr. Schlesinger is employed by the Otto Wagner Spital ("Steinhof"), the same as Dr. Földes, only Dr. Földes is responsible for liason with the Wilhelminensital down the road, where Dr. Schlesinger did at least part of his internship.
The General Medical Council does not have a record of his having a practice at all but they suggest that he might occasionally do a locum in a practice. His listed phone number is apparently where he can be reached at the hospital. The Otto Wagner Spital has only 3 depts: psychiatry, orthopaedics and pulmonology.
Psychiatrist are listed on this site- http://www.praxisplan.at (HE'S NOT LISTED HERE!)
List of psychiatrists in Vienna's 4th district
Dr. Oswin Wagner
Verhovnik Ulrike Dr
Aust Irene Dr
Butterfield-Meissl Christine Prim DDr
Gross Rainer Dr
Hein-Walcher Renate Dr
Kaiser Gerda Mag Dr
Kösten Michael OA Dr
Leitner Adelheid Dr
Meissl Christine DDr
Reisz Gerhard Dr
Schindler Shird-Dieter Prim Dr
Wörgötter Gabriele DDr
Ziegler Heidrun Dr
Leopold-Messer Günter Dr
Intersting. "Steinhof" is synonymous to "loony bin" in popular viennese... So should they really have given up the psychistric department?
ReplyDeleteAccording to this record, he is a general practionner, but works at a hospital that has also a psychiatric facility... I suppose SMZ stands for sozial-medizinisches Zentrum...
ReplyDeleteDr. Michael Schlesinger
Mitglied der Ärztekammer für Wien
Allgemeine Informationen
Fachberechtigung: Arzt für Allgemeinmedizin
Zusatzgebiete:
Sonstige Tätigkeiten und Diplome:
Dienststelle:
SMZ Baumgartner Höhe Otto- Wagner-Spital u. Pflegezentrum
Otto-Wagner-Spital at Baumgartner Höhe has a psychiatric facility. (see last link below)
ReplyDeleteI would have been surprised if that was not the case, since "Baumgartner Höhe" is also a word for "loony bin" in popular viennese...
https://www.wienkav.at/kav/ows/
Sozialmedizinisches Zentrum Baumgartner Höhe
Otto-Wagner-Spital und Pflegezentrum
http://www.wienkav.at/kav/ows/ZeigeText.asp?id=352
Patience, the hospital where this doctor with the many aliases (fitting for a person in his profession?) now works is, basically, a psychiatric hospital.
DeleteThe other departments - and I believe they also have neurology and internal medicine - are there so the psychiatric patients can be treated for their many other illnesses on the spot.
Dr Schlesinger, the man who refuses to mediate, see reason and does not appear to care about his children's future, is, I gather, currently working in the internal medicine clinic.
Despite what it seems either he or his sister has posted under the pseudonym franzklammer, he is very definitely not a psychiatrist. And has he even taken his exam to be the general practitioner he is registered as?
You think Franz Klammer is Michael Schlesinger? I don't. I think "Miri" is Michael Schlesinger, pointing out, in a very sarcastic way, what the disadvantages of Michael Schlesinger's position are...
DeleteI think whatever names Michael Schlesinger is using on this blog he is being seen as evil and spiteful, using his children as
Deletepawns in dangerous and
malicious games. How can you
be so cruel to your two little boys?
Whatever happened to the terrible allegations against chief rabbi eisenberg made by one of Schlesingers supporters? Can we now assume they are false too? Can we assume they were also part of the Schlesinger error (lying) machine?
ReplyDeleteI feel that my dear brother does not understand why Dr S should be considered a psychiatrist. A psychiatrist is a normal person who goes to school for many years to learn about sick people. But if Dr. S is really sick without going to school, he is superior to psychiatrists who merely read books.
DeleteI missed these allegations...
DeleteI also thought that Eisenberg was very much in the 'Schlesinger camp'. Is the Viennese community finally breaking ranks with the Schlesingers?
I am convinced that the allegations are not *just* false, but it's Michael Schlesinger himself who does that. See my comment to the previous post on the Schlesinger twins. I maintain everything I said there.
DeletePerhaps Schlesinger wants to drive . What does Michael
ReplyDeleteSchlesinger have against Rabbi Eisenberg. Is it because he befriended
Beth? The guy is control freak. He tries
to control everyone. No wonder the
boys are so passive. Tbey must bs so
scared of him. Poor things!
Well, Rabbi Eidensohn, since you proved that I'm a hired liar then I'm leaving this site! I will never comment here again. (Ooops. Since I'm a liar, is there any reason to believe the lie about my departure? I never intended any truth.)
ReplyDeleteHey, "you're not just a fool, but an ignorant one."
Hey, "you have a anti Chabad agenda!"
Hey, "you're a rabble rouser."
How dare you interfere with my silly and vicious games. So what that I want to destroy two precious children in my "revenge" and vindictiveness against their mother.
TO; HIRED BY THE PSYCHIATRIST
DeleteYOU NEED HELP FOR YOUR MENTAL STATE,THATS IF YOU CAN BE CURED, I DOUBT IT, YOU ARE TOO EVIL
Asking for practical and reasonable suggestions of how to resolve this crisis - for the sake of the little boys.....
ReplyDeleteWas Michael Schlesinger given custody not because he is the better parent, but because he is a doctor.
ReplyDeleteGenerally doctors are respected as a
cut above!
As the boys are doing so badly in Michael's care and they are under
achieving because, at 5 they are not
speaking and unable to reason what is Dr Schlesinger doing for his children,
or not doing?
Should a person be a doctor and parent to his own children?
Surely these children demand a lot of his time! How can he manage them
and his own patients?
Can he please provide the childrens routine and tell us what he is doing to
assist these children to fulfil their full
potential?
I think, as caring parents ourselves, who see these children not developing as our children are, the father should
tell us so that we can believe that the
children are actually with the "better" parent. Knowing the condition of the
children and no one has stated
othetwise, the children are doing realyly very badly with the father and in
retrospect the Court have made a
wrong decision, but may not know it yet!!
Unless this statement is challenged and answers given,, Beth's supporters
will continue to make as big as noise
as ever because Sammy and Benji are
doing badly in the father's care and
this arrangement needs to be changed and we will fight until it is !
RR Telling the truth for a start!
ReplyDeleteHow are the boys really doing in the father's care?
The father needs to give us a true
picture!
He's hiding them away so no one really know! Why?
Once we know he is an honest upright human being who doesn't play dirty tricks and insults all the people who
only want the truth, we can start
talking.
It sounds like he is more interested in hurting Beth and taking revenge on her
than being a good father who really
cares about the children.
It sounds like he does not care about Sammy and Benji at all
It is him that is causing all the publicity not Beth!
RR it sounds like the father doesn't really want to resolve anything.
ReplyDeleteHe doesn't care about the fact the children under acieving. He doesn't even care if they are happy! They should never have been given to him. He doesn't deserve them!
RR A practical and sensible suggestion would be for Beth and Michael to share the care of the children and get rid of the phillopinos and all the unnecessary expense.
ReplyDeleteWhen they stop fighting the children will feel more secure.
Beth has so much to give the children and I am sure that if they can come to
a good arrangement the boys will start
to thrive.
Sara and Publicity I agree. For starters, the parents must start to communicate with each other truthfully - even through a third party - about the well-being of the little boys. It is their responsibility to do so if they really have the children's welfare at heart. The little boys, like all children. have a right to know both parents well and to experience their love and attention against as peaceful and harmonious backdrop as possible. How to take this forward?
DeleteThe father should now be trying to be civil to Beth for the sake of the boys.
ReplyDeleteAll they need is a good mediator and
some compassion from the father!
How can he practise medicine without any compassion?
Surely he doesn't want to go through life portraying himself as a monster,
not only to the world but most of all to his sons.
It's enough now. Good mediation and a good arrangement so that the boys can start to thrive!
The ch
RR As you see I totally agree. Mediation is the only way.
ReplyDeleteThe father only has to agree on this
blog that he is willing to mediate for
the good of the children and suggest
who he respects to do the mediation!
I think perhaps it should be someone outside of Vienna, as it doesn't sound like Michael respects any of ths Rabbis
in Vienna. Also it will probably be fairer to both sides.
Tova, I might be wrong but I would imagine that an independent, mutually acceptable 'go between' between the two would be needed to break the ice and start the process. Any ideas on who this (not necessarily a rabbi) could be?
ReplyDeleteThe European Beth Din?
ReplyDeleteWhy not, Tova? There must be enough people around in Vienna who are in touch with members or with Dayan Ehrentreu. Somebody needs to do something, as RR has suggested - ASAP!
ReplyDelete'All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
ReplyDeleteEdmund Burke
my wife wanted VA 27-2008 several days ago and was told about a business that has a ton of fillable forms . If people want VA 27-2008 too , here's http://goo.gl/sDnHxs
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