Friday, October 16, 2009

R' Tropper/Roni's farewell slurs


What follows is Roni's reaction to being banned. He shows his characteristic "careful reasoning and moderation of expression" that expresses very well the reason he is banned. Unfortunately Roni/R' Tropper think that this abusive language and bullying is the way to deal with those who disagree with their position. It also indicates a paranoid psychopathology which should be worrisome to those rabbis and rosh yeshiva who think they can form an alliance with EJF for their personal benefits - and yet avoid getting burned.


Roni wrote:
eidensohn,

publish or not, you are the same old rosho merusho,
YOU SUPPORT NISSUEY TAAROVOT! YOU SUPPORT GUMA... IN YOUR
COMMENTS UNDER DIFFERENT NAMES ....YOU SUPPORT THE SHEGETZ PEREH ODOM ...YOU
ARE SHEGETZ ...DO NOT LIE AND SAY YOU ARE A "MODERATE"; YOU ARE NOT...YOU ARE
A TROPPER HATER AND JAMIE AGUIAR LOVER...PUBLISH IT OR NOT...I COULD NOT CARE
LESS YOU ARE A SHEGETZ ....STOP PRETENDING THAT YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT
"PROSETYIZNG" WHOSE ONLY CONCERN IS THAT IT MIGHT RESULT IN
INTERMARRIAGE...HERE YOU ARE SUPPORTING INTERMARRIAGE PUBLICLY OF ...


17 comments :

  1. Recipients and PublicityOctober 16, 2009 at 12:50 PM

    Th response is nuts. It sounds even more rabid than poster Roni/Tropper usually does.

    Rabbi Tropper is the one who took money from her husband for years even while she was not converted.

    The sad joke is that Rabbi Tropper is alleged to have taken money, the notorious $36,000 pear rabbis that Guma (Tom Kaplan's nephew) wanted him to give to EACH of 36 famous rabbis upon the BIRTH OF GUMA'S DAUGHTER and Rabbi Tropper agreed and did it, at least some of it.

    Since when is it right to give money to the Haredi world's top sages in honor of the birth of a child still needing conversion whose mother is still a gentile herself (she had not converted yet avccording to anyone at that point, yet Rabbi Tropper was on good terms with her husband)? But Rabbi Tropper did it!

    Rabbi Tropper saw no problem with taking Guma's money in honor of her birth and using it to as gifts to 36 top Haredi rabbonim rabbis.

    Talk of esnan money.

    No wonder that very money has ensnared Rabbi Tropper as it is now the sword that Guma uses to beat Rabbi Tropper down.

    Rabbi Tropper created his own kitrug (the money he took on a wrong standard) and mekatreg (the nephew himself who was built up by none other than Rabbi Tropper) and now he is mad at the world that it becomes open for all to see.


    Talk of Chutzpa, poster Roni/Tropper has it in huge amounts.

    Poster Roni/Tropper is a lot of fun actually, he should be allowed to stay, and the world can see for themselves how nuts EJF's chief poster on this blog really is.

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  2. i agree with Rap, if you want to expose RT to the world just let roni/RT write comments, he is own worst enemy.

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  3. STOP PRETENDING THAT YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT
    "PROSETYIZNG" WHOSE ONLY CONCERN IS THAT IT MIGHT RESULT IN
    INTERMARRIAGE


    Aaron said:
    Here again Roni is admitting that the the EJF are prostelyzing,and this is a valis ardgument against the EJF, just he is cliaming that DT doesnt meant it sincerely!

    I mentioned in another post about Rav Reuven Feinstien not fully supporting the EJF, now I have received a recording were Rev Reuven says clearly that he dosent suppot the confrences of the EJF in attracting intermarried couples, or any such work to attract them to come judiasim!!

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  4. Who really cares about this Tropper dude?
    I never even new he existed until I read this blog.

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  5. Ver hot es gezogt?October 16, 2009 at 5:14 PM

    Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely?

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  6. Eternal Jewish Fraud WatchOctober 16, 2009 at 5:24 PM

    Did Rav Eidensohn and the readers ever hear the shiur from Rav Bloch in Monsey where he picks apart Tropper's EJF scam with raayos from Tanach, Shas & poskim and lambasts R' Reuven for allowing a perversion of his own father's psak?

    There was originally an audio file on Yossi Izrael's blog until Rav Bloch protested that he did not want to broadcast it all over the world. Someone was able to tape it before it was removed and sold copies in the Lakewood yeshiva.

    Rav Bloch also pointed out that Tropper was a gornisht for many years and had failed at many attempts to aggrandize himself. He finally succeeded somewhat by going to Eretz Yisroel and getting the attention of some rabbonim there after American rabbonim refused to be goress him from day one. Rav Bloch opined that some American rabbonim then rediscovered Tropper when they benefited from money and fringe benefits like 5 star hotel stays and gourmet fresser meals paid for by Fetter Tom.

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  7. Roni's posts are a little too long winded to keep up with fully, but I've run into simular problems while posting.

    Bashing of Tropper is allowed 100% - any and all slander permissible, but say one word against Aguiar or his wife and it's edited or not allowed at all.

    Perhaps Tropper just needs to have Kaplan send a threatening letter to have all the bashing removed and we can begin loving Tropper as much as we love Aguiar now?

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  8. Why prompted his being banned?

    How is it certain that commenter Roni is Rabbi Tropper (which Rabbi Eidensohn is alleging in the headline)?

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  9. Aaron,

    what format is the recording in? If this is true it should be uploaded.

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  10. Aaron said:
    I mentioned in another post about Rav Reuven Feinstien not fully supporting the EJF, now I have received a recording were Rev Reuven says clearly that he dosent suppot the confrences of the EJF in attracting intermarried couples, or any such work to attract them to come judiasim!!
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    Interesting - I had heard from a reliable source that Rav Reuven did not support R' Tropper's initiatives with intermarried couples. Is it possible to get a copy of this recording and can it be put on this blog? Even Roni might have second thoughts when he hears Rav Reuven criticizing R' Tropper's program.

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  11. i am refrained from publishing it, due to other people participating in the conversation, i can send it to DT for verification though.

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  12. Rachel said :

    Bashing of Tropper is allowed 100% - any and all slander permissible, but say one word against Aguiar or his wife and it's edited or not allowed at all.

    Aaron said:

    I (im sure most ither people here) am not actually interested in the personal life of GA, so I do understand that bashing him doesnt belong on a public blog like this, but RT isnt doing a personal thing, he has a public oraganisation,and he is trying to change things in how the Jewish people as a whole relate to certain issues, therfore this does jsutify a public debate about it.

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  13. i have advanced editing software. I could, with permission, edit out just the statements of R' Reuven so that no one else's voice or name could be heard.

    That should take care of your issues with anonymity.

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  14. How is it certain that commenter Roni is Rabbi Tropper (which Rabbi Eidensohn is alleging in the headline)?

    היהפוך כושי עורו ונמר חברבורותיו?
    Anyone who knows Tropper can recognize it is Tropper bichvodo ubatzmo. He even does not try to hide his personality he just rages on like he is in the yeshiva.

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  15. I'm no fan of Tropper and his crusade against those of different hashkafos, but I don't think that he is Roni. The writing style is very different, look at Tropper's blog.

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  16. Recipients and PublicityOctober 18, 2009 at 4:04 PM

    Tropwatch said: "look at Tropper's blog" but it's very much like Roni when Roni spouts his krumme boich sevoras that he is 100%convinced is Teireh miSinai just because he is coming up with it.

    He makes it up as he goes along and anyone can bring perushim and mekoros to back themselves up if they are a known to be ba'alei kishron and ba'alei zikaron like Rabbi Tropper is famous for, but he uses it in perverse ways unfortunately to justify his own needs and objectives and he cannot hear nor tolerate any opposing view or mehalech.

    It's either my-way-or-the-highway with him in everything he thinks, says or does, that's why he had a total fit and was mevazeh Rav Feurst of Chicago who expressed the view that Rabbi Tropper was misquoting and twisting the words of Rav Moshe Feinstein.

    Tropper loves to twist the words of recent dead rabbis and will even use living ones who he knows he can arm twist and harangue or spend enough money on until he gets his way with them. He is a very stubborn and opinionated person and he is armed with extensive capabilities from his days in yeshiva and from his ongoing involvement with the sugyas of geirus that he has totally lost himself in by now and lost all perspective imagining he is "THE" velt's gaon when he is just another tzuhitster yunger man koching with a lot of negiyus in gevisse kashyes and shailos always to suit him never giving yenem an inch, as should be very clear by now.

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