Monday, April 6, 2009

Eternal Jewish Family - Modern Orthodox view


RaP writes:

Understanding the Modern Orthodox perspective and reactions to the attacks upon them.

Rabbi Nochum (Norman) Eisenstein faces criticism from a new direction as a former friend from Skokie attacks his association with EJF and work with conversions

A Modern Orthodox perspective on the attacks against it by Rabbis Eisenstein, Tropper and EJF

A notable and respected Jewish blog owner, Modern Orthodox Rabbi Harry Maryles of Chicago, Illinois, who is an old friend and acquaintance of Rabbi Nochum Eisenstein of Vaad HaOlami Leninyanei Giur, the fickle ally of Rabbi Tropper of EJF.

Maryles's popular blog "Emes Ve-Emunah: A Forum for Orthodox Jewish thought on Halacha, Hashkafa, and sociological issues of our time" is at haemtza.blogspot.com and resembles this blog of Rabbi Dr. Eidensohn/da'as torah just that Rabbi Maryles's blog speaks from a Skokie-style Modern Orthodox perspective, with its hashkofa based on: Rabbi Aaron Soloveichik, Rabbi Dr. Joseph B. Soloveitchik, Dr. Norman Lamm and Torah U’Mada, Dr. Eliezer Berkovits, the Hebrew Theological College, Rabbi Yaakov Perlow and Rabbi Mordechai Rogov.

What is of relevance to this blog is that Rabbi Maryles claims to have the personal insight to speak about Rabbi Nochum Eichenstein, whose English first name was Norman and was known as "Normy" to his childhood friends. [.... rest of post is comment to Rabbi Bomzer's ban signatories - retract":]

6 comments :

  1. 1. One of the main objections to Tropper and EJF is their efforts to disqualify non-charedi rabbanim from serving as Dayyanim.

    2. Have you seen the Wikipedia entry on Tropper? Pay particular attention to the final paragraph.

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  2. Recipients and PublicityApril 6, 2009 at 10:35 AM

    For the sake of clarity here is the full post from its original posting:

    Understanding the Modern Orthodox perspective and reactions to the attacks upon them.

    Rabbi Nochum (Norman) Eisenstein faces criticism from a new direction as a former friend from Skokie attacks his association with EJF and work with conversions

    A Modern Orthodox perspective on the attacks against it by Rabbis Eisenstein, Tropper and EJF


    A notable and respected Jewish blog owner, Modern Orthodox Rabbi Harry Maryles of Chicago, Illinois, who is an old friend and acquaintance of Rabbi Nochum Eisenstein of Vaad HaOlami Leninyanei Giur, the fickle ally of Rabbi Tropper of EJF.

    Maryles's popular blog "Emes Ve-Emunah: A Forum for Orthodox Jewish thought on Halacha, Hashkafa, and sociological issues of our time" is at haemtza.blogspot.com and resembles this blog of Rabbi Dr. Eidensohn/da'as torah just that Rabbi Maryles's blog speaks from a Skokie-style Modern Orthodox perspective, with its hashkofa based on: Rabbi Aaron Soloveichik, Rabbi Dr. Joseph B. Soloveitchik, Dr. Norman Lamm and Torah U’Mada, Dr. Eliezer Berkovits, the Hebrew Theological College, Rabbi Yaakov Perlow and Rabbi Mordechai Rogov.

    What is of relevance to this blog is that Rabbi Maryles claims to have the personal insight to speak about Rabbi Nochum Eichenstein, whose English first name was Norman and was known as "Normy" to his childhood friends.

    In a recent post at With Friends like This… (April 03, 2009) when a poster of accused him attacking Rabbi Eisenstein by calling him "Normy" he states that:

    "I have not done any of the vile things my old schoolmate Normy has done. He and his 'freinds have caused countless numbers of sincere and dedictaed Jews to question their faith in God and belief in Judaism - by labeling their beliefs in an ancient universe - heresy! He has also refuse to allow a Dayan on his conversion Beis Din who does.

    If Normy Eisenstein considers me - and others who believe in an ancient universe heretics, then my calling him by his nickname... Normy (which is what I called him when he was a student in Skokie) is mild by comparisson. And that isn't even all the damgage he's done! If he wants to discuss it with me, he can call me. I'm in the phone-book.

    Harry Maryles | Homepage | 04.03.09 - 2:28 pm | #"

    These are angry words and quite serious allegations and with closer scrutiny, it seems that over the last two years, Rabbi Maryles has been a relentless critic of Rabbi Eisentein, his work and of Tropper and EJF as well for as long as this blog by Rabbi Eidensohn has been!

    In that vein it behooves all serious followers of this blog to take a closer look at Rabbi Maryles's 5 main posts so far that deal exclusively with Rabbis Eisenstin and Tropper & EJF and his perspective of what they have been up to. The following does not touch on the many comments that the posts elicited:

    1) "Eisenstein’s War against the Jews (November 11, 2007)

    ... We have a war on our hands declared by the most radical fundamentalists in the Torah world. It is not a war L’Shem Shamayim. But it is a war against the Jews. Not all Jews. Just certain types of Jews.

    The latest salvo in this war was fired last week from a podium by one of its top generals, Rabbi Nachum Eisenstein who declared thousands of Orthodox Jews to be heretics, many of them Jews of great religious stature.

    Jews who dare to seek sensible answers to sincere questions are the enemy. Questions they had about some of the most fundamental elements of nature which point to an ancient universe. Evidence that seems to contradict the religious fundamentalist belief that the universe is less than 6000 years old. Anyone who dares attempt to reconcile those contradictory with the Torah by explaining that the days of creation were not literal 24 hour days... even if using legitimate rabbinic sources in doing so... is now deemed a heretic... an anemy that must be ‘cleansed out’ of the Torah world.

    So Rabbi Nachum Eisenstein would have us believe. I don’t know how accurately this reflects the views of his 97 year old mentor, Rav Yosef Shalom Elyashiv in whose name this declaration was made. While I do believe that Rav Elyashiv himself believes that the universe is less than 6000 years old... I truly question whether he actually now declared those who believe it to be older... are considered heretics. I truly believe that Rabbi Eisenstein misrepresents his elderly mentor’s views on this...

    For if Rav Elyashiv actually declared these beliefs heresy, where was he until now? Beliefs about an ancient universe didn’t happen yesterday. They didn't just fall out of the sky and implant thmeselves into the brains of thousands of Ehrliche Jews. They have been around for a long time. Rabbinic sources for them go back centuries... way back to the Rishonim, the medieval commentators. Why did he wait until he was 97 years old to declare these beliefs heretical? Did he not know about Rabbi Carmel? Or Rabbi Kaplan? Or the Tifferes Yisroel? I’m sure he did. Yet he never felt the need to declare there beliefs heretical until now... at age 97.

    Yet this is what Rabbi Eisenstein has told us. And in doing so he has dismissed the opinions of many other Gedolim who have publicly declared these beliefs be perfectly fine. I believe that this is Rabbi Eisenstein’s’ personal war. Not Rav Elyashiv’s.

    The problem is that we have no way of knowing for sure. Rabbi Eisenstein has usurped the authority of Rav Elyashiv.
    Precious few people have an opportunity to see Rav Elyashiv without going through Rabbi Eisenstein or others like him first. The elderly Rav Elyashiv is fiercely protected from the masses.

    Rabbi Eisenstein would have us believe that he is in effect ‘Rav Elyashiv’ now. And many people see him this way. When he speaks they hear Rav Elyashiv. It’s not that he is lying about what Rav Elyashiv says. But he is definitely hearing Rav Elyashiv through his own zealous mind ...a mind which is determined to push his own agenda. He was a zealot when I knew him as a young student at HTC. And he is a zealot now.

    In my view this is a criminal act of epic proportions. In my view, Rabbi Eisenstein is defining Torah Jewry in his own image while claiming the mantle of Rav Elyashiv. And in the process he is driving deeper and deeper a wedge that may end up cutting off masses of Orthodox Jewry as illegitimate.


    ...This is a war and we have to fight back. The Torah world needs to rid itself of people who seek to destroy the lives of so many people... and restore sanity to the Torah world before it’s too late." (As of 6 Apr 09, this post had 142 comments).

    2) "Are You a Convert To Judaism? Think Again! (May 09, 2008)

    How many more lives will this man ruin?Rabbi Norman Eisenstein, a man who I recall was a known Kanoi when he was still an adolescent student in Skokie Yeshiva has inserted himself into the recent controversy over Rabbi Druckman’s conversions. In fact he may very well be behind it. He is supposedly Rav Elyashiv’s right hand man. And the Dayanim who voided those conversions were Rav Elyashiv’s appointees.

    Rabbi Eisenstein has come out and supported the decision taken by them - invalidating the conversions of hundreds if not thousands of Jews converted by Rabbi Chaim Druckman. The claim is that since it was discovered that some (many?) of his converts never accepted the requirement to observe Mitzvos it casts doubt on all of his converts and they must all re-convert.

    The repercussions of this are awful. This isn’t just about Rabbi Druckman. It is about any Rav who ever converted any Ger if it is discovered that a significant number of his Gerim never intended to observe the Mitzvos. According to Rabbi Eisenstein et al, all of his Gerim are suspect too...

    ...There were many such Rabbis in Orthodoxy. They have converted both sincere and insincere converts. Rabbi Eisenstein has just voided all of them, and the Jewishness of their children in the case of female converts.

    Were his intentions good? Did he mean to strengthen Klal Yisroel by eliminating false coverts in our midst? I’m sure that’s what he thinks. And I cannot judge him. But there is a True Judge. And Rabbi Eisenstein will not be judged by his intentions. He will be judged by his actions. And his actions in this and in many other situations have cast misery into the lives of countless numbers of people." (As of 6 Apr 09, this post has 129 comments)

    3) "Burning the Living Torah (November 09, 2007)

    Back in 1981, Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan wrote a new translation of the Chamishei Chumshei Torah… the five books of Moses …called The Living Torah. He felt that previous translations were not that clear or readable. He also wanted to keep the translation as close to its basic meaning as possible and to make certain that it remained faithful to the tenets of Torah Judaism.

    It was an immediate success. And it remains highly popular. It can be found in all manner of Orthodox homes and synagogues from the most Charedi to the most modern Orthodox.

    But according to reliable sources, Rabbi Elyashiv has now deemed this book to the product of a heretic. Worthy of burning. Not useable. That is because his closest confidant and representative, Rabbi Nachum Eisenstein, has declared in Rav Elyashiv's name that anyone who believes that the universe is more than 5768 years old is a Koffer B’Ikkar. An Apikores… a heretic. So this widely accepted Chumash can be thrown in the trash… indeed must be thrown in the trash! That is because Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan is on record in a widely publicized paper that he wrote that he believes the universe is 15 billion years old.

    This declaration was made by him from a podium at the Eternal Jewish Family (EJF) conference in Washington, DC... an organization formed to standardize all Orthodox conversions. The conference was attended by many of the top names in the Torah world. Many recognized as Gedolim.

    This is a shocking development.

    As most people who are interested in these things know by now, this controversy began several years ago when Rabbi Natan Silfkin’s books which espoused these views were deemed heretical. But since then the controversy has remained in a state of uncertainty.

    There have been Poskim who have quietly said that Rabbi Slifkin’s books are not heretical. Others have said that Rabbi Slifkin’s specific explanations were problematic and that was Rav Elyashiv’s problem with them. But not the general thesis of an ancient universe. At worst this was not the preferred belief, but acceptable nonetheless. Certainly not heretical.

    Rabbis Slifkin and Kaplan are of course not alone. The Tifferes Yisroel, and many many others join them. Furthermore many current Gedolei Torah, like Rav Shmuel Kaminetsky are on record as accepting that such beliefs are not heresy...

    In one brief moment according to Rabbi Nachum Eisenstein, Rav Elyashiv has deemed us all Kofrim B’Ikkar. And has ordered that anyone who believes the world is ancient, may not serve on a Beis Din and may not perform conversions. And any conversions done by them… past, present, or future… are illegitimate!

    Can anyone even begin to imagine how many people there have been over time who have been converted by a Rav who believed that the universe is ancient? They have gotten married, had children… and even grandchildren by now. All interspersed into the general Orthodox population!

    This is a nightmare. I can’t even begin to fathom the repercussions of this. Rav Elyashiv is the most respected of Gedolei Torah in the world. Most of the Charedi world considers him the Gadol HaDor, especially in Israel. The equivalent of Shmuel B’Doro… the prophet Samuel in his time …or Moshe Rabbenu in his!

    The time has come to stop this…or it could end up destroying Judaism. Telling intelligent, educated, and sincere Jews that they must deny their sincere beliefs can push many, many of them over the edge. Talk about ‘adults at risk’. This is the grand-daddy of them all...

    At this point, it is time for all those Gedolim who disagree to stand up and say so publicly! American or Israeli, they must declare that Rav Elyashiv though a great Gadol, is not the final authority on this matter.

    I call upon them to do so. No more beating around the bush. They have to stand up for Klal Yisroel and have the courage to say that Jews who believe in an ancient universe are not Kofrim B’Ikkar. They are not heretics! And that they will not allow the Living Torah to be burned!" (As of 6 Apr, 09, there were 130 comments to this post).

    4) "Raising the Bar on Conversions (May 19, 2008)

    ...After an initial clash between Israeli courts and the American rabbinate via the Rabbinical Council of America (RCA) - a compromise was reached that would assure that all future conversations would be legitimate. That is a good thing. To continue questionable conversions would have put the entire Jewish people in danger... I only wish the story could have ended there.

    But it doesn’t. An organization called the Eternal Jewish Family (EJF) was created. And that’s when everything seemed to go south. I am not prepared to condemn the entire enterprise yet. But with each passing day I am beginning to question it more and more.

    Based on recent events I have to question some of the things being done. One of the more nefarious things happened at a convention where Rabbi Norman Eisenstein - supposedly in the name of Rav Elyashiv - said that anyone who believes in an ancient universe (older than 5768 years) is disqualified from being a Dayan, a judge in a conversion court...

    But it isn’t just EJF. It is their spiritual kin too …as in the recent outrageous Psak by Israeli Dayanim invalidating masses of conversions which were done by a Dati Leumi (Israeli - modern Orthodox) Rav. Even those who were sincere, promised to be observant, and kept their promise. That Psak was widely condemned by rabbinic leaders like Rav Aharon Lichtenstein. And it was strongly condemned by the RCA. And it that decision was was over-turned by the Israeli chief rabbinic court judge, Rabbi Shlomo Amar. But that didn’t stop Rabbi Eisenstein and EJF from publicly supporting the Psak even after it was over-turned.

    Here is how Hirhurim’s Rabbi Student put it:

    Let me point out that EJF has publicly supported the ruling (link). No surprise, since EJF is run by one of the leading antagonists of R. Natan Slifkin (not the antagonist recently arrested but a different one). My impression is that the organization simply rejects Jews who don't follow their "Da'as Torah".

    The most recent event reported in the media – if true - is quite shocking. It should put to bed any doubt about whether there is a war against modern Orthodoxy by certain Rabbanim in the Charedi world. Rabbi Leib Tropper, founder and head of EJF nullified one of his own conversions. The reason? According the article:

    Tropper did not revoke Sarah’s conversion because she bowed down to idols, accepted Jesus as her Lord and Savior, or identified with the atheist philosophies of Christopher Hitchens. She didn’t renounce any universally accepted tenet of Judaism. Sarah’s conversion was ruled invalid because she did what many Modern Orthodox women do every day: get dressed and go out of the house. Sarah’s conversion was reversed because Tropper heard that she had worn pants, and occasionally—only when shopping outside the Jewish neighborhood—she had left her hair uncovered.

    So there you have it. If this story is true, a convert was stripped of her Judaism even though she was observant of Shabbos, Kashrus, and Taharas HaMishpacha. And so too were her post conversion children stripped of their Judasim.

    That is how her husband reported it. According to one of the authors who contacted me - attempts to reach Rabbi Tropper for comment were unsuccessful. He apparently refuses to deny or confirm any part of the report. And as if that weren’t enough there is another horror story about EJF and Rabbi Tropper reported there as well. Read it and weep!

    I hope this story isn’t true. I hope that if a conversion was revoked that it was for some more serious violation which is missing from the story. Or that this report is some sort of hoax perpetrated by people out to ‘get’ EJF. But I fear it is true. A fear based on EJF’s attitude and behavior till now. Where will all this end?" (As of 6 Apr 09, this post had 115 comments)

    And finally, a final post here in full that connects itself directly to Rabbi Dr. Eidensohn's blog and its issues and concerns, but please note it was posted about one and a half years ago (November 19, 2007) and some of the relevant facts and personalities have changed although the main line is correct:

    5) "The Eternal Jewish Family (November 19, 2007)

    There has been a proclamation issued by the Edah Hacharedis which its authors wish to disseminate and which has been made available to the public by Rabbi Daniel Eidensohn. It basically condemns a new organization that deals with Halachic conversions called The Eternal Jewish Family (EJF). The proclamation has already appeared on many blogs including Hirhurim (scroll down to Saturday night’s post to see it).

    Most Orthodox Jews know by now that ‘Halachic conversions’ is one of the hottest topics being debated in the Torah world. That is because it is fraught with so many problems.

    The concern most strongly driving the controversy is the massive number of Jews from the former Soviet Union who have immigrated to Israel. Many of them are intermarried. If the non Jewish spouse is a woman, their children are not considered in any way halachicly Jewish. That has resulted in tons of non Jews who think they are Jews living in Israel.

    To a smaller extent this is true in the US too. Non Halachic conversions performed by Reform and Conservative rabbis leave non Jews believing they are Jews. And so too their children.

    Additionally there have been many conversions done even by Orthodox rabbis that have come into question. The Rabbanut Beis Din in Jerusalem, now controlled by Charedi Rabbis has recently created quite a storm by no longer automatically accepting conversions done by rabbis belonging to the Rabbinical Council of America ( RCA).

    The primary concern about some of the RCA conversions is a laxity on the key conversion requirement for the convert to sincerely promise they will observe Mitzvos. EJF was created in part to rectify this by standardizing all Orthodox conversions and requiring a no nonsense acceptance of doing Mitzvos. This was the brainchild of Rabbi Leib Tropper, of Yeshivas Kol Torah in Monsey, a Baal Teshuva Yeshiva.

    Rabbi Tropper has managed to gain the participation of many rabbinic leaders of all types including leaders like Rav Elyashiv (by proxy of his representative Rabbi Nachum Eisenstein), Rabbi Dovid Feinstein and Rabbi Hershel Shachter, That is how important this issue is viewed and how accepted EJF has become as the vehicle to get this accomplished.

    But... Rabbi Tropper also has as a goal of actively seeking out children of non Jewish mothers and placing them in religious Jewish schools with the hope that they will eventually convert. This is not a proper Halachic approach. Rabbi Moshe Sternbuch had written a Teshuva about it a while back. That Teshuva generated some controversy here because it seemed in opposition to a practice employed by NCSY under the authority of Agudah Dayan, Rabbi Shmuel Fuerst.

    NCSY by its nature will very often have teens participate who are not Halachicly Jewish... but think that they are. Their mothers were converted non-Halachicly by rabbis of non Halachic streams of Judaism.

    Rabbi Fuerst based on what he had clearly been told by his Rebbe Rav Moshe Feinstein, has Paskined that NCSY can actively encourage these children to continue participating in NCSY and to seek a proper conversion. Rav Moshe held that by not encouraging these youngsters to convert they would none the less continue believing they were Jewish and seek to marry other Jews That would actually increase inter-marriage in Klal Yisroel.

    It is not clear whether Rabbi Sternbuch disagrees with this policy.

    In any case, Rabbi Sternbuch has gotten the Edah HaCharedis rabbis on board with his Psak and has come out with a proclamation de-legitimizing EJF.

    This is the germane paragraph:

    Because of the dire consequences of intermarriage, there was a strong barrier that prevented many from intermarrying. However now that the consequence of exclusion from the Jewish people has been removed - this motivation not to intermarry has been lost. Consequently these intermarried couples and their children remain amongst the Jewish people. This results in their non-Jewish children being accepted into religious schools out of the hope that they will eventually convert.

    It should be stated that in his original Psak, Rabbi Sternbuch does permit converting children of an intermarriage when they come to us of their own volition.

    It seems from this proclamation which is basically a re-statement of Rabbi Sternbuch’s earlier Psak, that the reason for not allowing seeking converts from intermarried couples is that it is deterrent to intermarriage. The question remains about whether he would apply it to NCSY. Would he use the same rationale of deterrence to simply reject those NCSYers who are products of an intermarriage? Or would he consider them as coming of their own volition? That is unclear and the controversy remains.

    There is another issue here. It is very surprising that Rav Sternbuch would urge rabbis not to participate in this event considering that a man he venerates, Rav Elyashiv is participating. Can it be that he sees Rabbi Eisenstein as an invalid representative of Rav Elyashiv? Or is he disagreeing with Rav Elyashiv on this matter? Or is Rav Elyashiv unaware of this component? If so, why is that? Do they not speak to each other?

    In my view the controversy created by EJF is so great that de-legitimizing it is a good thing. The controversy was created by Rabbi Eisenstien. He wanted only ‘believers’ to qualify as a Dayan... a judge on the new conversion Beis Din. The conversion court system that would result after the process of conversion be standardized. It would require that rabbis not have heretical beliefs. Rabbi Eisenstein wanted to make clear that believers in an ancient universe disqualify them from serving on a conversion Beis Din.

    Some people actually claim that Rabbi Eisenstein said they are actual heretics if they believe this. That isn’t clear. What is clear is that he is constantly doing things to alienate Jews he doesn’t agree with. And using an EJF platform where many rabbibnic leaders were in attendance gave him a broad pulpit to do so. And since he is Rav Elyashiv’s representative. It was a bully pulpit.


    It is ironic that the Edah has condemned EJF. They probably agree with Rabbi Eisenstein’s views about the ‘hersey’ of an ancient universe. But whatever the reason, I’m glad they did it. If what comes out of such an organization can so contribute to the divide in Klal Yisroel it deserves to go into the ash bin of history." (As of 6 Apr 09, this post had 89 comments).

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  3. Dear Daniel Eidensohn
    To Suggest that Harry Maryles Represents The Veiws of Hagoan Harav Aaron Soloveichik Zatal, or Hagoan Harav Yashuv Be'er Soloveitchik, or Any other Gadol is absurd. Infact I suspect you say this because of you own lack of Kavode Hatorah. R. Soloveichik holds that the beliefs brought forth by Harry are "Repugnent". Furthermore Harry is not a Rov and has never acted as one. Rav Soloveichik children work with EJF on a regular basis. Harry has never learned by or is any way connected with the Rov that you should falsely claim he represents his veiws in any way. I should also like to note that Rabbi Eisenstien is a much closer talmid and more true to Hagoan Rav Aaron Soloveichik Zatzal then this person in Skokie.

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  4. Obnoxious said...

    Dear Daniel Eidensohn
    To Suggest that Harry Maryles Represents The Veiws of Hagoan Harav Aaron Soloveichik Zatal, or Hagoan Harav Yashuv Be'er Soloveitchik, or Any other Gadol is absurd. Infact I suspect you say this because of you own lack of Kavode Hatorah. R. Soloveichik holds that the beliefs brought forth by Harry are "Repugnent". Furthermore Harry is not a Rov and has never acted as one. Rav Soloveichik children work with EJF on a regular basis. Harry has never learned by or is any way connected with the Rov that you should falsely claim he represents his veiws in any way. I should also like to note that Rabbi Eisenstien is a much closer talmid and more true to Hagoan Rav Aaron Soloveichik Zatzal then this person in Skokie.
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    This post was not written by me nor is it my personal view. The post is the view of Recipients and Publicity a.k.a RaP.

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  5. Recipients and PublicityApril 7, 2009 at 10:19 AM

    Links to the home page of Harry Maryles's blog and to all the posts were provided.

    I tried to summarise, but it seems that "Obnoxious" is being, well, obnoxious and could care less about checking them out for himself.

    So for the sake of clarity, here is the way Harry Maryles describes his blog, himself and his hashkofas on his blog's home page at haemtza.blogspot.com:

    "Emes Ve-Emunah

    A Forum for Orthodox Jewish thought on Halacha, Hashkafa, and sociological issues of our time.

    About Me

    NAME: HARRY MARYLES LOCATION: CHICAGO, ILLINOIS

    Much of who I am is based on the philosophy of my primary mentor, Rabbi Aaron Soloveichik from whom I received my rabbinic ordination. It is also based on a search for spiritual truth from various sources that I have studied. Primarily it is a reflection of my understanding of two great philosophic works, “Halakhic Man” and “Lonely Man of Faith” by the pre-eminent Jewish philosopher and theologian, Rabbi Dr. Joseph B. Soloveitchik. Of great significance to me is Dr. Norman Lamm's conceptualization and models of Torah U’Mada. Another individual who helped shape my thinking was Dr. Eliezer Berkovits who introduced me to the world of philosophic thought. My early religious education was most influenced by two pioneers of American Elementary Torah Chinuch, Rabbis Shmuel Kaufman and Yaakov Levi. The Yeshivos I attended were Yeshivas Telshe for early high school and more significantly, the Hebrew Theological College where for a period of ten years my Rebbeim included such great Rabbinic figures as Rabbi Yaakov Perlow, Rabbi Mordechai Rogov, and of course Rabbi Aaron Soloveichik."

    A post was also left on one of his posts informing him that his posts regarding Rabbis Tropper, Eisenstein and EJf had been posted by Rabbi Eidensohn here:

    "Dear Rabbi Maryles:

    Your latest observations and past posts regarding Rabbis Nochum (Norman) Eisenstein, Tropper, EJF and their roles in the latest Orthodox/Haredi conversion wars have been noted in a full post by Rabbi Dr. Eidensohn on his blog "Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity" (daattorah.blogspot.com) at Eternal Jewish Family - Modern Orthodox view (April 6, 2009).

    Please feel free to join in and add your comments and any further insights you may have and wish to add that would be most appreciated.

    Thank you!
    Recipients and Publicity | 04.06.09 - 3:30 am | #"

    Hopefully at some point he will be able to come by and answer the "Obnoxious" comments against hi and offer more of his unique Chicagoan insights.

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