https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-how-homosexuality-splits-the-orthodox-world-1.5383363
As liberal as they become, Katz does not believe that Orthodox rabbis will ever agree to perform same-sex marriages, though Sperber thinks there may be a way around this. “The problem is with the word ‘marriage,’” he notes. “Perhaps they can call it something else like a ‘partnership.’”
A couple of years ago, "Rabbi" Yisoschar Katz published a question he was asked: a lesbian couple had approached him. One of them was Ashkenazi and the other was Sephardi. Now, normally the customs in a family follow the husband's traditions. Pesach was coming and they wanted to know - could they both eat kitzniyos or could neither? And he was having trouble determining how to declare a dominant "partner" that would decide the family customs.
ReplyDeleteNow, how do you even start a discussion with the guy? If you say "Look, there's no halakhic partnership of any kind here" he says "Well let's say there is" and if you repeat "Look, no partnership" he says "Well they live together, they're sharing their lives, shalom bayis is important" and stuff like that. But it's all a distraction from: THERE'S NO UNDERLYING LEGAL RELATIONSHIP!!!
And I'm shocked with Rabbi Sperber, to be frank. He's no slouch. He's a big talmid chacham who used to have a lot of authority in the MO world. He knows halakha. If this quote is accurate, if he really thinks that one can invent legal relationships to justify partnerships that the Torah forbids, he needs to get his mental competence checked.
One of Daniel Sperber's daughters, Abigail, is the founder of "Bat Kol", an Israeli lesbian group.
ReplyDeleteCosmetic re-branding of gay marriage, as a mere banal “partnership”; is like putting lipstick on a pig. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.
ReplyDeleteSo what?
ReplyDeleteAnd one of the Alter Rebbe's sons converted to Chrisianity. Can't blame the guy for an errant child.
ReplyDeleteThe case of the Baal Hatanya's youngest son, Moshe, who allegedly converted to Chrisianity, is a poor example, in light of the controversy surrounding the veracity of the story.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.kotzkblog.com/2018/05/176-what-happened-to-moshe-son-of-baal.html
There are also reports that had mental problems from the time of his youth, and when he moved to a monastery to study Christianity, a priest there became convinced that he was emotionally disturbed, and recommended he be returned to his family.
https://www.jta.org/jewniverse/2012/the-rebbes-christian-son
Granted, that you can't blame a guy for an errant child, but the Talmud (Sukkah 56b) teaches, that what a child speaks in the marketplace, is what he heard from his father or mother.
Therefore, when a parent like Daniel Sperber, who is on record for deviating from traditional Halacha, has an errant child, then it's quite likely that the distorted values his child espouses are directly related to the distorted values that they picked up growing up in his house.
"Talmud (Sukkah 56b) teaches, that what a child speaks in the marketplace, is what he heard from his father or mother."
ReplyDeleteTrue - but perhasp you are extending this too far. The Brisker Rav had a son named Chaim, who was totally nuts. The story goes that he would walk into the beit hamedrash and start swearing, foul abuse at everyone , including his father. The Dayan Abramsky's son , Chimen, became an atheist , communist apikores. In fact his daughter Jenny is married to a goy.
So if you choose to blame an MO (or OO) rabbi for his gay children, you also have to start blaming your own Gedolim, the Brisker rav, etc. Oh, and Rav Shach's son...
Reb Yonatan Eybeschutz's son also converted openly to Sabbateanism.
ReplyDeleteThe Tany itself contains pantheism, alleging that G-d is immanent in the world, so the dust on the ground also contains "G-d". And that the 10 sefirot are 1 (like the trinity but a 10fold system). And Rambam already refuted this view, eg in Guide ch.1 part 50 - where he says thos who say that He and his attributes are One, with their lips speak of unity but in their hearts belive in plurality).
Mental illness is not a reflection on anyone's parenting.
ReplyDeleteI met Chaim, the Brisker Rav's son, in his old age.
He was an eccentric old man, who was mentally damaged from what transpired during World War 2.
"Mental illness is not a reflection on anyone's parenting"
ReplyDeleteHow do you know that? And how do you know what the Gemara is referring to? Does it only refer to children speakingin the market? Or does it extend to everything? and do you reject the Torah which says
in Devarim 24:
טז לֹא-יוּמְתוּ אָבוֹת
עַל-בָּנִים, וּבָנִים לֹא-יוּמְתוּ עַל-אָבוֹת: אִישׁ בְּחֶטְאוֹ, יוּמָתוּ. {ס}
16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children,
neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers; every man
shall be put to death for his own sin.
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Another outstanding posting with a superb closing paragraph!
ReplyDeleteAnother tragedy...
ReplyDeleteHashem Yeracheim!