https://mishpacha.com/inside-with-rav-shach/
During the amazing week of the Entebbe rescue all of Israel and in fact all the world was dizzy with the excitement of that incredible rescue mission. And I too was caught up in the general mood as I prepared to write my column for Maariv. But then we were told that Rav Shach wanted to speak with us. We went to him and he asked us not to write about the rescue mission. He explained to us in that conversation that the army had acted contrary to halachah because objectively they were endangering their own lives and the lives of the hostages in a seemingly impossible mission and therefore we were not permitted to praise it.
"Clearly had Israel’s political and military leaders asked for his daas Torah the captives might have been saved in an even more miraculous way but the leaders weren’t exactly interested in seeking daas Torah."
ReplyDeleteStill peddling this fake nonsense, when Rav wasserman gave his own "daas " , which resulted in more deaths than a thousand entebbes.
Another example of halakha being completed disconnected from the society it's supposed to serve.
ReplyDeleteKind of like a generation earlier when his predecessors told their followers that making aliyah was worse than staying in Europe.
All war requires soldiers to endanger their lives. Entebbe? Soldiers working inside Israel are also endangering their lives. Was Rav Shach suggesting that having an army is against halakha? Because I seem to recall lots of times in classical Jewish history when we had an army and no one said "Oh no! They can't go into battle! They might get hurt!" Or was this another of those "Zionists did well so we have to hide any news of it" moments?
Seriously, what was Rav Shach's solution to the Entebbe crisis? What would the halakhically acceptable way to rescue these hostages have been?
Torah thought daf hayomi Shekalim 19a
ReplyDelete“Mishnah 2 [of chapter 7]. If money was found [in Jerusalem] in front of cattle dealers at any time of the year it is deemed to be [second] tithes [money] [The presumption is that the money was lost by people who came to buy cattle for peace-offerings with their own second tithes money, or with the second tithes money left to them by their pilgrim friends when they returned home after the Festival. Here again the rule is followed that in case of doubt the money is to be assigned to the more hallowed object of the two.]; [If it was found] in the temple mount it is deemed to be common money [Even during the Festival season. Though most of the money at the time is of second tithe, we assume that the money was lost before the Festival when common money is in ordinary circulation,]; [But if it was found] in Jerusalem [not in front of the cattle dealers] during the season of festivals [when the city is full of pilgrims bringing second tithes money] it is deemed to be [second] tithes [money]. but all the rest of the year it is deemed to be common [money] [Because the streets of Jerusalem (as distinct from the Temple Mount, cf. n. 5) were swept daily, so that any second tithe money brought by the pilgrims would have been swept away. v. B.M. 26a.].”
Beautiful. They really did second tithe as commanded (Deuteronomy 14:22-29):
“You shall set aside every year a tenth part of all the yield of your sowing that is brought from the field. You shall consume the tithes of your new grain and wine and oil, and the firstlings of your herds and flocks in the presence of your Lord your God, in the place where he will choose to establish His name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God forever. Should the distance be too great for you, should you be unable to transport them, because the place where the Lord your God has chosen to establish His name is far from you and because the Lord your God has blessed you, you may convert them into money. Wrap up the money and take it with you to the place that the Lord your God has chosen, and spend the money on anything you want—cattle, wine, or other intoxicant, or anything you may desire. And you shall feast ואכלת, in the presence of the Lord your God, and rejoice with your household. But do not neglect the Levite in your community, for he has no hereditary portion as you have. Every third year [lit. after a period of three years, cf Deut. 26:12] you shall bring out the full tithe of your yield of that year, but leave it within your settlements. Then the Levite, who has no hereditary portion as you have and the stranger, the fatherless והיתום, and the widow in your settlements shall come and eat their fill ושבעו, so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the enterprises you undertake בכל מעשה ידך אשר תעשה”
So beautiful. The so-called Biblical critics theory that Ezra did deliberate fraud and he himself wrote the laws of Tithes is sheer improbability to any fair-minded reasonable person.
He wanted to negotiate with the terrorists, which in itself is problematic.
ReplyDeleteI think in one of these articles he openly said to his friend, that he never say anything positive about the Zionists, even if G-d is on their side.
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This is where the haredi hashkafa went off the rails thanks to a long and torturous galus cut off from the national aspects of Judaism. By definition an army risks the lives of its soldiers in just about every mission. In addition, how would an outside observer, with no army expertise and no involvement in the military planning, possibly know that a mission was a "Seemingly impossible mission?"
ReplyDeleteDT, do you believe this was the real reason Rav Shach discouraged them from praising the rescue or is something else behind this?
Sometimes the professed haredi approach to things is "put out your neck to be shechted" but always in theory only. We know in reality they are moving yeshivas away from where the rockets are landing and most people in these situations or with family members in them would not want the required course of action to be inaction.
ReplyDeleteI think you have memory of something that never happened
ReplyDelete"“But open miracles happened” I protested “and Jews were saved!”
ReplyDeleteRav Shach was also joyous that Jews were miraculously saved but I gained some important insights as he went on to clarify his halachic view. “I cannot rejoice when Tzionim are successful” he said. “Yes I know there are religious Zionists who said in the heat of an argument about the matter that of course Rav Shach would rather see all those Jews killed than see the Zionists win. That Rav Shach of yours has no ahavas Yisrael.”"
From the article cited.
So, yes, it's possible that this didn't happen and Grylak is just trying to get 5 minutes fame for himself.
He isn't making your claim!
ReplyDeletePt 1 or pt. 2?
ReplyDeletePt 1 was to accede to their demands, and that waa discussed elsewhere.
Discussion https://www.etzion.org.il/en/shiur-11-4-july-1976-entebbe-operation-part-ii
ReplyDeleteHere it is claimed that rav shach met Steipler Gaon according to "testimonies[4] that other rabbis, Rav Shach and Rav Kanievsky (the Steipler) met during those days and put together a pesak halakha to be sent to the prime minister, urging him to go ahead with the prisoner exchange."
not a very impressive source
ReplyDeleteNo such hearsay sources are impressive, including the Grylak piece.
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