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I remember the moment distinctly, and it was almost a decade ago: a group of stylish women walked into the main sanctuary of my shul in Baltimore for a Torah class. They all had a similar panache about them, sporting long, curled sheitels (wigs) that reached mid-back, large designer handbags slung over the shoulders, and outfits that were trendy, expensive-looking and mainly black. I stood at the side of the room and observed something that was clearly a new “look.” I had never seen religious women look like this before (living outside of NY most certainly contributed). Sure, religious women always have worn expensive clothes and lots of black. But it was the sheitels — they now were the accessory that put it all together. And they were so long.
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NY isn't any worse in this regard than Baltimore, Los Angeles, or Chicago.
ReplyDeleteNo she's not.
ReplyDeleteThough she is a BT.
Do u like them or not?
ReplyDeleteIt is amazing how you blithely violate the prohibition against hotza'as shem ra. Where in the world did you get the idea that she is not observant?
ReplyDeleteWhat what accounts for her consistent and repeated attacks against Torah Judaism?
ReplyDeleteDid you even read the article she wrote? She writes about how she has noticed the standards evolving over the last twenty years. She is not attacking anyone. You owe her a public apology.
ReplyDeleteI've read her manifold previous hit jobs in that anti-Torah Judaism rag. This particular article happened to be tamer than most of her previous ones.
ReplyDeleteHow many of her writings have you read? I've read quite a load. They aren't pretty.
So, doubling down instead of apologizing? That seems to be the trend for hateful men wearing stupid cowboy hats.
ReplyDeleteYou don't seem inclined to care to read the anti-religious trash she's written. If you have a spare minute, at least take a look at the titles of her articles. That alone ought to give you an idea of the hate she regularly and consistently spews against Torah observant Jews.
ReplyDeleteWhat's more is that she's a proud "Footsteps'er". If that knowledge doesn't set you straight and you wish to continue hooking your spiritual future to hers, may Hashem have mercy on your neshoma.
So, doubling down instead of apologizing? That seems to be the trend for hateful men wearing stupid cowboy hats.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much, Yehoshua, for describing yourself and exhibiting this exact behavior. Wonderful.
The article linked in this blog post (with the word "forward") above is to:
ReplyDeletehttp://forward.com/articles/203226/taxonomy-of-the-sheitel/
entitled "Taxonomy of the Sheitel" and is written by Frimet Goldberger. I've no idea who this Mrs. Fleksher that you speak of is.
You are wrong. The actual article quoted here, which can be found on Times of Israel, is written by Alexandra Fleksher, and is entitled "Orthodox Women and their Wigs." It can be read in full here: http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/lets-talk-about-sheitels-a-reaction-to-frum-shaming/
ReplyDeleteSo, once again, you confused the author of this article with someone else, and owe her an apology for publicly maligning her, with no basis.
I read the full articles referenced. I see nothing bad in them. Can we get back to Shmuel Kamenetsky and his heter for Tamar to marry her lover without a get from her husband Aharon?
ReplyDeleteSee http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/238217
"I provide advice to the president, he will tell me what to do," Hyten added. "And if it's illegal, guess what's going to happen? I'm going to say, 'Mr. President, that's illegal.' And guess what he's going to do? He's going to say, 'What would be legal?' And we'll come up with options, with a mix of capabilities to respond to whatever the situation is, and that's the way it works. It's not that complicated." "If you execute an unlawful order, you will go to jail. You could go to jail for the rest of your life," he added, according to CBS News.
Mendel Epstein et al executed unlawful/illegal/unhalachic orders and are now in jail for their crimes What Shmuel Kamenetsky and supporters did is a crime in Jewish law---complicit in adultery.
Daattorah, allow me to write re NYS Ct of Appeals Aranoff v Aranoff undecided motion 2017-1101 November 13, 2013. Friday I received from the court dated October 24, 2017:
ReplyDelete“I acknowledge receipt of your letter dated October 15, 2017 and your papers dated October 16, 2017. Your letter dated October 15, 2017 is returned enclosed. Your letter requests that this office obtain for you a copy of a Supreme Court order. Neither the Court nor its staff have access to the records of Supreme Court, Kings County. You must contact that court directly for copies of documents it issued. Your papers dated October 16 purport to be a motion for “a judgment.” There is no constitutional or statutory procedure that would permit the Court to entertain such a motion. Accordingly, your papers dated October 16, 2017 are also returned to you enclosed. In due course you will be issued a refund of the $45 motion fee.”
B”h the court accepted my papers October 26, 2017 and issued me a number 2017-1101. I’m waiting now for a decision. Susan is a long-time activist with Mendel Epstein et al and Tamar, wife of Aharon.
I referenced the article linked to in this post, nothing else. The name you are mentioning is not mentioned anywhere on this blog post or on the Forward article linked to from this blog post.
ReplyDeleteIf this post is linking to a Forward article why would I be referencing the Times of Israel? I made clear in my earlier comment that I was referencing the Forward author, not any author on the Times of Israel or other publications, as is also clear by virtue that the Forward is where this blog post being commented on links to.
You still don't get it, do you? There is an actual article cited in this post. You wrote here, on this post, that the author of the article "hates Orthodox Judaism," and "is an otd." Now you say that your comments were not about the author of the article that is actually here in the post, but the author of some other article [by the way, the link you are talking about does not even work]. If nothing else, you should learn the lesson to specify who you are maligning before doing so. Once again, you owe a public apology to the author of the actual article posted here.
ReplyDeleteYou don't get it, do you? There is no citation in this blog post other than the linked article. The text in the body of this post is not given as a citation; it reads as any blog post written by the blog owner, as if it is the blogger's own writing. It has no name cited and no link given (other than to the Forward article by Goldberger.) You'd have to resort to Google to even get the idea it isn't the bloggers own words, despite being written without citation as if they are this blog owner's own comments, summary or thoughts about the issue, rather than a quote from a third-party. There's no logical reason a reader of my original comment would assume it is referring to an author on an external website that is neither linked from here nor named or cited.
ReplyDeleteTorah thought:
ReplyDelete“He said, What shall I pay you? And Jacob said, Pay me nothing! If you will do this thing for me, I will again pasture and keep your flocks: let me pass through your whole flock today, removing from there every speckled and spotted animal—every dark colored sheep and every spotted and speckled goat. Such shall be my wages. In the future when you go over my wages, let my honesty toward you testify for me: if there are among my goats any that are not speckled or spotted or any sheep that are not dark-colored, they got there by theft. And Laban said, Very well, let it be as you say. But that same day he removed the streaked and spotted he-goats and all the speckled and spotted she-goats—every one that had white on it—and all the dark-colored sheep, and left them in the charge of his sons. And he put a distance of three days’ journey between himself and Jacob, while Jacob was pasturing the rest of Laban’s flock. Jacob then got fresh shoots of poplar, and of almond and plane, and peeled white stripes in them, laying bare the white of the shoots” (Genesis 30:31-37).
Rabbi Naftali Tzvi Yehuda Berlin (Netziv) 1816-1893 head of Volozhin Yeshiva
The Netziv explains here
והתנה עם לבן שכל שה נקוד וטלוא בכשבים וטלוא ונקוד בעזים אשר יולד בעדר לבן יהיה שכרו של יעקב, וגם אשר כבר נולד נקוד וטלוא בכשבים וטלוא ונקוד בעזים יהיה שכרו ויטול מיד, ככתוב אעבור בכל צאנך היום הסר משם כל שה נקוד וטלוא וגו' וענתה בי צדקתי וגו', כלומר יודע אני שהבורא ישלח ברכה בחלקי, שמא תאמר כי גנבתי מחלקך, זה התנאי יהיה בינינו, כל אשר איננו נקוד וטלוא גנוב הוא אתי ושלך הוא, ועלי לשלם לך פי שנים ככתוב שנים ישלם, ויאמר לבן יהי כדברך, נדמה לו דבר מועט וקבל על עצמו, ויסר ביום ההוא את התישים העקודים והטלואים ואת כל העזים הנקודות והטלואות ויתנם יעקב ביד ראובן ושמעון בניו, וישם דרך שלשת ימים בין עדרו של יעקב הרועים בניו ובין עדרו של לבן הרועה יעקב, שלא יאמר לבן שבאו מעדרו,
He [Jacob] stipulated with Laban that all “every dark colored sheep and every spotted and speckled goat” which shall be born in Laban’s herd will be Jacob’s reward, including already born, and he [Jacob] should take immediately. As written: “let me pass through your whole flock today, removing from there every speckled and spotted animal—every dark colored sheep and every spotted and speckled goat. Such shall be my wages. In the future when you go over my wages, let my honesty toward you testify for me: if there are among my goats any that are not speckled or spotted or any sheep that are not dark-colored, they got there by theft.” This is the stipulation between us: any animal not speckled or spotted is stolen and I will have to pay you double as written [penalty for theft in Exodus]. “And Laban said, Very well, let it be as you say. But that same day he removed the streaked and spotted he-goats and all the speckled and spotted she-goats—every one that had white on it—and all the dark-colored sheep, and left them in the charge of his sons.” Jacob gave them to his sons Reuben and Simon.
Wow! According to the Netziv, Laban agreed originally that all spotted and speckled etc belongs to Jacob and that any with no spotted and speckled etc found among Jacob, Jacob must pay double to Laban, as theft. The liar/deceiver Laban kept all the spotted and speckled etc so it would be difficult for Jacob to get spotted and speckled etc animals. Then the liar/deceiver Laban would change, over and over, what’s spotted, speckled etc. Jacob did the “fresh shoots of poplar” etc as his part to try to get spotted and speckled etc animals. God did miracles and made Jacob wealthy and Laban poor. Moral: being wholehearted with God and learning Torah [Jacob] you can become wealthy, while chasing money your whole life [Laban] can make you poor. It's up to God.