update:Just was informed that Kol HaLashon has removed the recordings
כתבנו מעט מזעיר ממעשיו הגרועים.ואף זו ברמיזה בלי פירוט.
לדעתי, ואני מדבר רק בעד עצמי, זו בזיון התורה ללמוד תורה מן נואף, ממי שעושה מעשה זמרי, ממי שעבר על איסורים חמורים במזיד מאות פעמים בחייו --וד''ל. לדעתי זו בושה וחרפה לכם להגיש שיעוריו לציבור. לא מדובר במי שנכשל בעבירה--מדובר במי שחי חיי פרא אדם , לוכד נשים במרמה והרבה הרבה פעמים הרס בזה חייהן.
איזה בושה! איזה חילול ה'! איזה בזיון! וכי תורה היא צעצוע שלנו?
אני מלמד זכות עליכם שאתם לא מבינים המדובר פה, כיון שלא פירטנו יותר ממה שכתבנו.
אני מדגיש עוד פעם שאני מדבר אך ורק בעד עצמי.
מסתמא יש לכם רבנים לשאול להם שאילות שיש לכם, לכו תשאלו אותם.
חיים זאב הלוי מלינוביץ
I agree completely with Rabbi Malinowitz
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Question: Should Kol HaLashon remove the shiurim of Meir Pogrow?
Answer:
We have written in the psak of the Beis Din only a small fraction of his disgusting deeds and even then it was only done with hints without going into detail.
In my view, and I am only speaking for myself, it is an insult to the Torah to learn Torah from a predator of women - from one who does ma'aseh Zimri, from one who has transgressed extremely severe prohibitions deliberately at least hundreds of times in his life. That description should be sufficient for you to get the picture.
In my view it is an embarrassment and disgrace for you to offer his shiurim to the public. We are not talking about someone who had a temporary lapse and succumbed to temptation. We are talking about someone who lived an unrestricted licentious life - trapping women through deception and many many times destroying their lives.
What an embarrassment! What a chilul HaShem! What a disgrace! Do you think that Torah is a mere trivial plaything for us?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you have not understood the seriousness of what we have talked about in our psak since we deliberately have left out the details. But the answer as to whether the shiurim should be removed is obvious.
Let me emphasize and repeat that I am speaking only for myself and not the other dayanim
You obviously have your rabbinical advisors to ask this question. Please go and ask them for their psak.
Rabbi Eidensohn for a good discussion of the issue as well as the pesakim of Rav schachter and Rav Dovid Feinstein listen to the following shiur:
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For those like me who don't speak Hebrew... what does he say?
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ReplyDeleteI wonder if R' Pogrow has any shiurim on the topic.
ReplyDeleteHis shiurim are all מעשה ולא להלכה.
ReplyDeleteTo do a drush on the situation - the name PogroW - if you turn the W upside down, it becomes an M. Thus the name becomes PogroM. since his first name is Meir, then the M is appropriate. The severe sins , which the Torah and Chachamim Z'L warned of leads to terrible results, are encoded in the perversion of the person's name.
ReplyDeleteThis is an unauthorised drush, and solely the work of this poster.
Thank you!
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ReplyDeleteAnyone know of any mishnayos shiurim online that were just as good, clear, and concise as Pogrow's? I've found some others, but they either had bad sound quality or did not offer shiurim for the whole mesachta. Thanks
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DeleteI have to admit - his shiurim on Mishna and Rambam were the best I've ever seen in terms of clarity and pace. His Gemara shiurim were my go-to when I had difficulty clarifying a particular sugya. It's a shame to have lost such a valuable resource, as embarrassing as it is that the resource came from a disgraceful person.
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