Monday, March 10, 2014

Mamzerim - THE WOLMARK and EPSTEIN ISSUE

anonymous Guest Post       update NY Times

Unfortunately the ostrich syndrome has taken hold of the Klall and everyone has their head in the sand and nothing is being said or done about the phenomenal spread of ממזרות    thru the use of  גיטין מעושים   

I would like to state one principle which would enlighten many people to the severity of the situation. A lady who marries receives the status of an אשת איש . This status can only be removed thru a נט given by people who have a חזקת כשרות. We find the exact same paradigm by שחיטה. The only way a person can eat a cow that was נשחט was if the שוחט that performed the שחיטה had a חזקת כשרות. If the שוחט lost his חזקת כשרות and went ahead and was שוחט a cow there is no way that this cow can be eaten. If the meat was cooked in a pot the pot becomes Trief and is not allowed to be used. Now we can go back to אשת איש

As of Oct 13 Wolmark,Epstein, the 3 דיינים at the warehouse, and the םופר have all lost their חזקת כשרות. Any גיטין post that date in which they are involved are פסול.

The retroactive issue is much more complex. A blog would not be the proper place to discuss this since it involves a great deal of literature, a more appropriate place would be a Torah Journal. However since Hellman has stated that on Aug, 2011 he participated in a similar event in Flatbush it is incumbent on the Rabonim of Flatbush to fully investigate this issue. If it is found that this was also a גט מעושה שלא כדין  then they must follow thru with the ramifications that those supervising that incident have lost their חזקת כשרות and all subsequent ניטין given by those in charge are void. This an issue of לאפרושי מאיםורא דאשת איש and the women who are the recipients of these invalid ניטין must be told they cannot remarry and those who have remarried must be told to leave their new marriage. All those who shirk their responsibility are עתיד ליתן את הדין

15 comments :

  1. Who is Hellman and where has he stated what is attributed to him above?

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    1. Personal Trainer/Hit ManMarch 10, 2014 at 4:37 PM

      http://online.wsj.com/article/APe4f0f3a2a92645e9838cf30cdcb4d3a2.html

      A Brooklyn man has admitted to traveling to New Jersey to coerce a Jewish man to give his wife a religious divorce - called a 'get' - through threats of violence.

      The U.S. attorney's office says David Hellman pleaded guilty Thursday in federal court in Trenton.

      Prosecutors say the 31-year-old personal trainer was part of an alleged plot involving several men, including two rabbis, which arranged religious divorces through torture and kidnapping.

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    2. Where has Hellman claimed a similar beating occurred in Flatbush in 2011?

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    3. When did Hellman say a similar Get-beating occurred in Flatbush in 2011?

      (Epstein said he has been doing about two a year for the past 15 years.)

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    4. The horror of the Epstein affair cannot be repeated enough times. The psak of the so-called beis din went against an individual who never existed!!! What type of beis din is that? Where is the beautiful concept that is called Din Torah? What a Chilul Hashem. Many newspapers carried the story of David Hellman's plea. Click on them and read the comments that were made by their secular readers. The common theme throughout is that rather than being an aberration, it is business as usual among the Orthodox re how women are treated, necessitating the emergence of Epstein-like tactics. Epstein is not a champion of women. He destroys whoever is on the other side. For years, Epstein and his co-horts rendered piskei din against real people who never had the opportunity to appear before their kangaroo court. The entire process was a money making operation and now klal yisroel is left with the mess.

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    5. During his guilty plea proceeding, Hellman also admitted that on August 22, 2011, he and others went to a residence in Brooklyn where they restrained, assaulted, and injured a man in an attempt to extort a divorce from him. That conduct will be considered by the court during sentencing, currently scheduled for June 12, 2014.
      http://www.fbi.gov/newark/press-releases/2014/brooklyn-man-admits-traveling-to-new-jersey-to-violently-extort-divorce-consent-from-reluctant-husband#disablemobile
      Which means that the FBI was able to link these clowns to past cases as well.
      Hopefully Epstein and Wolmark take this to trial so the public can see their Rishos.

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  2. According to the assistant United States Attorney, this has been going on for more than a decade. One such example is the kidnapping and beating of Rabbi Avraham Rubin in the late 1990s. Besides Rabbis Epstein and Wolmark, others alleged by Rabbi Rubin to have been involved in that case include Rabbis Ralbag and Belsky.

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  3. Why will nothing ever happen?

    Because in our sorry generation the concern for כבוד התורה trumps תורה.

    If one (or many) of "our" Rabbonim do bad things, then the ONLY concern is "circling the wagons" and making sure that the הנהגה remains intact.

    Enough!

    This is NOT what the Torah wants.

    No. No. No!

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  4. don't know enoughMarch 10, 2014 at 5:20 PM

    "The retroactive issue is much more complex."

    If you do your homework and find out how Wolmark started in Gittin (maybe Epstein too) The issue is very NOT complex. So do your home work soon and we hope to hear from you again.

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    1. "don't know enough":

      How did Wolmark start in Gittin?

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  5. While I certainly don't want to Kasher Epstien, this writer seems to think that raising questions about gittin done years ago is proper? How should someone who married such a gerusha feel now? Why are you seeking to increase problems? Ask a Gadol, if he feels he should issue a statement such as this WITH HIS NAME ON IT, there's an issue. This post, as is, just causes heartache and aggrevation!

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  6. is only marbeh psulim beyisroel, and that causes real headaches. Clearing the minefields is an ounce of prevention for a pound of what you can never cure. The Ostrich solution is not an option.

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  7. There is a letter from Gedolei HaDor Rav Chaim Kaminetsky and Rav Shmuel HaLevi Wosner and many others about the issue of done Gittin.In sefer Mishptei Yisroel the long letter concludes, "And whoever marries a divorced woman must clarify clearly in what Beth Din she was divorced, and if the husband agreed to divorce her from his free will,and there was no coercion in the GET." One prominent Rov claims that all Gittin in New York State from I believe 1992 must be checked because then a Get Law came into effect that can force the husband to give a GET. Others claim that in New Jersey and other areas there are also judicial coercions such as one judge who threatened a husband with jail if he did not give the GET. This was overturned, but the judges have learned how to coerce a GET by telling the husband that if he does not give a GET he behaves in a manner that can affect the children and therefore he can lose custody. So the GET is invalid.

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  8. Yeh. When he started his Gets were just about invalid until some other clown Rabbi rescued him. This happen a long time ago and it did not involve any coercion. Just a regular Get. And not only one Get.

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  9. Another two plead guilty. The chips continue to fall:

    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2014/03/11/us/11reuters-usa-crime-divorce.html

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