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"Neither Alternative, Medical, or Halachic"
By Rabbi Noson Shmuel Leiter
1 Av, 5780 (July 22, '20)
Recently,
a book in Hebrew appeared in Israel, entitled "Ki Ani HaShem
Rof'echah," which is actually a second version of an English book,
initially published over three years ago, entitled "Alternative Medicine
in Halacha." Subsequently, the second English version appeared as well.
The
basic thesis of the book is to legitimize the notion of "Chi." The
author, originally from France, acknowledges that Ch-i is a Taoist
concept. In fact, a bit of independent research confirms that the idea
of Ch-i is actually foundational to both Taoist and "New-Age"
Avoda-Zorah/kefirah (heresy). In fact, a bit of additional
investigation establishes that the concept of Ch-i is a heretical
divinity notion, inasmuch as it essentially deifies created or imagined
forces. We explain this in detail in our 2008 Hebrew monograph,
"Mishmeres HaKodesh," part 3.
Unfortunately,
the author of "Alternative Medicine in Halacha" seeks (explicitly) to
incorporate the idea of Ch-i into Judaism, adapting the
kefirah/idolatrous concept to appear more marketable to
monotheistically-oriented people. In addition, he proceeds to "explain" a
host of mystical/paranormal practices based on this concept of Ch-i,
and related new-age ideas. Moreover, he attempts to argue that these
practices (e.g. "energy healing," Applied Kinesiology, Health
Kinesiology) are legitimate therapeutic and/or diagnostic techniques,
and even permitted by the Torah. He even goes to the bizarre extreme of
trying to legitimize and mattir "long- distance energy healing." That
itself should say more than enough.
It
was said about the "Holy Roman Empire," that it was neither holy, Roman,
nor an empire. It should be similarly observed about the aforementioned
book, entitled "Alternative Medicine in Halacha" that it
too is neither about "Alternative" systems, or Medicine. Rather it is an
promotional work advocating "New-Age" / "Universal-Energy-Healing"
approaches. Moreover, the book certainly cannot make any claim to be
Halachic. Even on the very face of it, the author acknowledges trying to
wed foundational Toaist notions with Judaism. That alone suffices to
render this and any other writings of this author out of bounds for the
Torah observant Jew.
Additionally, in this version of the book, the author opted to publish a letter, bitterly and inaccurately lashing out at critics of his book. The letter was ostensibly signed by several Rabbis. Included was a signature of R. Shmuel K. I was alerted to the letter by Rav Moshe Green ZT"L - about three eyears ago, in the summer of 5777. At the time, I called Rav K. Rav K. unequivocally responded that he didn't sign it, and he was clearly distraught over it then. At that time, he authorized me to publicize the fact (of the forgery).
May we merit the Final Redemption speedily in our days, in the merit of avoiding foreign theological influences.
Good Chodesh,
Rabbi Noson Shmuel Leiter,
Tomim Tih'yeh
Rabbi Slifkin got tarred and feathered for supposedly espousing heresy.
ReplyDeleteUsing that yardstick, ‘Alternative Medicine in Halachah’ should have longed been banned and burned.
https://thelehrhaus.com/scholarship/the-not-so-orthodox-embrace-of-the-new-age-movement/
Placebo effect is in itself very interesting. Can science understand how it works? WHAT if that can be amplified by alternative medicine? Self healing - so what is so terrible about that?
ReplyDeletethe mechaism makes a difference - especially if you think science is important!
ReplyDeleteScience is important, but is also open minded. Not everything has been discovered yet.
ReplyDeleteI've just been to acupuncture, practiced for 3000 years, . Treating something doctors not yet been able to cure.
The mechanism is not fully understood, but then neither is gravity.
ReplyDeleteOne of the interesting thigns in the philosophy of science and technology, is that anaesthesia is not understood - how it works, is simply not understood, only that it does work.
Rav belsky said if there's no scientific explanation tehn it's bderech hatumah.
ReplyDeleteHe tells a story in his book asking a guru how it worked. The guy started saying it's like quantum mechanics. RB asked in which way since he was buki in it. The guru couldn't explain.
That doesn't make sense logically. The placebo effect happens whether you give a sugar pill, a bloodletting, a real medicine, or some nonsense "alternative medicine." The key to the placebo effect is that the patient believes they are being given a treatment that helps them, and the psychology of thinking it makes them better will help them to a certain degree compared to if there was no intervention (and no thought of getting a helpful treatment).
ReplyDeleteOn average the degree of improvement from placebo is usually very small for most conditions. For conditions with a greater psychological component to the disease, placebo effect can be larger (like in depression or other mental health trials, where the placebo arm is difficult to beat!).
Giving someone a placebo purposely is unethical. It is denying them proper care where they would already get that placebo effect plus the real benefit of the medicine that is standard of care treatment for their ailment.
not dependent solely on belief
ReplyDeleteperhaps certain beliefs can induce production of certain beneficial cytokines , or positive mental states may do the same, and help fight certain conditions. We simply don't know enough about how the brain works, and hwo it influences bodily or cellular function.
ReplyDeleteAlternatively, there may be some physiological or physical benefit from these various treatments, which are not yet researched or understood.
there are many things which don't yet have scientific explanations
ReplyDeleteThe question is if something works or not. Many of these therapies or healing don't work, whereas others do.
I see he has a book on the topic on Amazon, but the feedback says he effecively forbids everything.
Good thing he wore techelet!
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1308773/alternative-medicine-halacha-review.html
ReplyDeletefrom the review:
"ACUPUNCTURE
This reviewer agrees with Rabbi Szmerla that acupuncture is, for many
types of maladies, indeed, effective. However, the theories behind
acupuncture – the notion of restoring energy meridians has been
summarily rejected by those with a thorough and grounded understanding
of the underlying science behind it. Winston Churchill’s life was
extended by his regular intake of aspirin – even though the science
behind it was not yet understood."
The theory of meridians and energy is from Chinese Medicine. Some pracitioners of Chi or Qigong can strengthen their bodies to the degree that they can break bricks on their heads , can take a strong blow to their body with a hammer without getting hurt. This is more than just psychosomatic. it is real. The theory may or may not be complete, but it works. Acupuncture does not work all the time, but it does in some cases.
that is real science!
ReplyDeletethe fact that this reviewer agrees with your mistaken views does not validate this understanding
I suggest you at least read his book instead of basing criticism on an unknown reviewer
ReplyDelete"someone said" is not a high quality source
so based on this lack of knowledge you want to ignore halacha?!
ReplyDeleteWhat authority are you or any poskim in science?
ReplyDeleteThe last Rav who made a contribution to science was probably Ralbag, whose views are utterly rejected by hareidi minded folk. Rav shach forbade university, Rav Elyashiv never stepped into one, and rav belsky was most likely self taught, and not the all knowing genius his talmidim claim.
I'm trying to see how rabbonim are authorities in areas which they hold little or no knowledge at all?
What are you talking about?
ReplyDeleteA) rav Moshe would consult with a professor son in law, before determining halacha. Rav tendler said he had to study around 2 years to gain a scientific understanding on certain areas - he was a professor. So this 5 minute route to expertise is another fantasy, just like the unity of the Trinity.
B) rav Bleich , regardless of disputes with Tendler, stated that acupuncture is permitted.
Many hands on therapies eg tapping. Eft , acupressure are based on acupuncture.
C) as I said before, people who have no or little knowledge of science are not placed to make halachic decisions about it.
Example - we still have little knowledge about covid19. Does that mean a treatment , experimental vaccine etc is all forbidden? Or again, is anesthesia forbidden because the mechanism is not understood?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5771359/
ReplyDeleteAcupuncture effective for tinnitus!
Reminds me of the story Reb Dovid E.told - a boy from America came to Israel in the times before the State. His yeshiva rebbe asked how he traveled from America. The boy answered by a steel ship across the ocean. The rebbe beat him saying "metal doesn't float on water".
ReplyDeletesometimes
ReplyDeleteAnd orthodox medicine? No treatment.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnint.2019.00047/full
ReplyDeleteAcupuncture and neurological disease
From.Wiki
ReplyDelete"Belsky publicly defended confessed sexual abuser Yosef Kolko, who taught children at a Lakewood, New Jersey, yeshiva.[16] Further, he condemned the victim and his parents for reporting the sexual abuse to the police, and wrote that one who does so "has no share in the world to come." Belsky was criticized for his actions in this regard.[6] According to The Jewish Week, the Ocean County, New Jersey District Attorney privately warned Belsky to cease and desist writing letters defending Kolko, or risk prosecution.[17]
According to court documents, Belsky was alleged to have served on a Beth din together with Mendel Epstein and Martin Wolmark which approved the use of physical violence against Jews who were civilly divorced, yet refused to give a get (Jewish divorce document) to their wives.[18]'"
Berel?
from stackexchange
ReplyDelete" end of Avodah Zarah 27b is not referenced in
sources which are discussing this issue. I think it presents a very
important reason why to avoid cures which are rooted in not so clear
sources:
Rabbi Yishmael didn't let a min to cure his nephew of a
snakebite, and subsequently, the latter died of it. He was concerned
that the nephew or the people surrounding would be influenced by the
worldview of the one who healed him."
This explains many things!
Sometimes it doesn't work at all. Could be size , thickness of needles, the skill and method of practitioner. I went to a Chinese practitioner , was useless. European trained is much more effective.
ReplyDeletecould be?!!
ReplyDeleteYes, western medical acupuncture, is different from what the Chinese do, plus Chinese as crooks.
ReplyDelete1) astrology is forbidden by the rambam and sa, but still used by frum people. Netziv said since we don't have a navi, can use astrology. WHAT do you say when the horoscope fails?
There are a lot of could be in convention medicine, when it doesn't work. Or It causes more serious complications.
ReplyDeleteDo you accept r Belsky on his get m'usa, or covering up sex abuse? Are you a recent chossid of his?
He told a funny story about chabadniks saying how great their rebbbe was , greater than all the generals in military matters. Now his followers tellthe same kind of stories about him - he was an expert in all areas of science, knew everything that Einstein knew , greatest doctor, knew more about music than Beethoven etc.
I've been offered pharma meds where there is, e.g. a 1% risk of getting cancer. Some doctors don't even mention this risk or deny it. How is that in halacha?
ReplyDeleteWhat about carrying a fox's tooth?
I knew Rabbi Belsky
ReplyDeleteeven when I disagree with his views He needs to be taken seriously
Do you always cherry pick your references?
ReplyDeleteWe already had the discussion about astrology. Netziv said it was forbidden, but now that we have no navi, it's permitted.
ReplyDeleteI know Rav Bleich shlita. He is one of the greatest authorities in America, and on medical ethics /halacha.
ReplyDeleteHe said that quackery is forbidden . He said that acupuncture has good evidence to support it, and is therefore permitted. I asked him this in front of 100 people.
I agree with rav Belsky on techelet.
Here is the "hareidi" mindset.
ReplyDeleteThe most absurd position is to die for, despite any kind of rational argument. Many accept this and are destroyed. Then sooner or later a very great authority comes along and says "actually. That position was wrong, and halacha opposes it".
Examples - satmar
Rav wasserman vs his son.
E.E. Dessler
Corona virus. (Keep the yeshivos open).
There are many diseases which are not understood. And many with no adequate treatment.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the scientific explanation for carrying a locust egg or fox tooth?
So have you changed course on sexual abuse?
ReplyDeleteno!
ReplyDeletedo you say "lshem yichud " when you daven or make a brocha?
ReplyDeleteThere was a gezeira by Chazal against imported glassware, manufactured by nochrim. So do you only use glass cups made by monotheists?
ReplyDeleteYou alleged I'm ignoring halacha, even though I have whom to rely on.
ReplyDelete