Tamar and other women are the real extortionists. These women think that they can take a process that the Torah gave exclusive decision rights to the man and turn it 360 degrees and compel the man to give up all his rights and let the woman force a GET out of him under her terms. This is the crux lie that we see these Pro-Agunah activists are pushing. They want you to believe that the the man is the abuser for refusing a GET, but dont want to accept responsibility for all the infractions that the woman committs, be it halachic, or personal. see mamzeralert.blogspot.com
Maybe I am overly naive, but isn't the answer to all these complaints is to go to a beis din and listen to what they say on all matters -- incl. money, children and giving a get?
Mamzeraltert or anyone else: Do you have any sources indicating that it is permissible for a man to refuse a get in order to coerce a woman into giving him what he wants (whether you call that extortion or just "negotiation")? I've asked this question before but no one has answered. I think this is an important point because the pro-Friedman people all seem to assume men have the right to use the get as a tool to extract concessions from wives regarding money, the children, etc. But this seems highly questionable both halachically and from a perspective of common sense morality (for example the golden rule).
Don't understand your question - read the review article by Rabbi Gartner and others I linked to in the post below. A man doesn't have to give a get - unless in certain cases. otherwise he has the right to wait until he is properly motivated. So your assumption of it being "highly questionable" is not relevant to halachic obligations. http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2012/03/aide-to-top-republican-refuses-to.html
A father has the right to beat and shout at his children , but you would say to call the police on him. What hypocrisy!!Rav Chaim Vital says that the main Bein Adom L'chaveiro that a person is judged by is how he treats his wife. Anyways many Gedolim and a bais din have told him to give the get.
Mamzeralert- Thank you for saving the world. (sarcasm)P.S. Please stop shoutuing. You're spitting all over the computer monitor.
Just like lo oleinu some prisoners are more equal than others with massive appeals going on for some of them, we see that some rashantas who are in the category of being mordos are equal than others.Did epstein's father offer to donate large sums of money into the coffers of getora or YU or the personal coffers of the signatories on the fake siruv?what is so special about tamar more than anyone else that these shkotzim from yu are busy demonstrating?
Emes you are a very SICK individual. Tamars father has been niftar almost 3 years , way before Yu or Ora got involved. For your "emes" your gonna get a lot of pain in the Aloim H'Emes!!! Unless you go to everyone involved and beg for Mechila.
yeshaya - your missing the point - Friedman has no halachic obligation to give a get!! Epstein is a moredes!! Friedman went to beis din (baltimore) to give her a get and SHE refused to listen to the beis din and walked away. She took his child and left the state (and got away with it out of deceit). He is not using the get as negotiations!! she has no claim to it but if she does the right thing and returns the child and corrects all the other wrongs she has done I'm sure he will give the get. And to AVF - you are wrong - ORA and company have been at this from the beggining - before baltimore beis din and before Dr. Epstein passed away. There is no question that the reason the Epstein case is so public is because of $ and power!
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