I read the English of the court’s decision December 4, 2017. Excellent. Bravo. Well reasoned. Sources on main points. Shulchan Aruch 76.2 שולחן ערוך אבן העזר הלכות כתובות סימן עו סעיף ב הפועלים, אם הייתה מלאכתם בעיר, פעמים בשבת; ואם הייתה מלאכתם בעיר אחרת, פעם אחת בשבת. וי"א דאם אינם לנין כל לילה בביתם, עונתן לח' ימים) (טור ותוס' בשם ר"י בר ברוך). החמרים, פעם אחת בשבת. הגמלים, אחת לשלשים יום. המלחים, אחת לששה חדשים. תלמידי חכמים, עונתם פעם אחת בשבת; ודרך ת"ח לשמש מטתן מלילי שבת ללילי שבת. Sotah 9b “Finally, after she [Delilah] had nagged him [Samson] and pressed him [Samson] constantly, he [Samson] was wearied to death” (Judges 16:16). What means “pressed him [Samson] constantly”? R. Isaac of the School of R. Ammi said: At the time of the consummation, she detached herself from him. God created men to have huge desires for pleasures of the flesh and for a good dish. I wrote here about Isaac on these matters. My focus is on Judge Eric I. Prus for accepting an obviously phony/fake 1995 Rigler Order of Separation and ruling the 2013 NYS civil divorce me and Susan valid on the basis of phony/fake document. This is similar to Rabbi Kamenetsky and Rabbi Greenblatt accepting the obviously phony/fake PhD psychology letter that Aron is insane and allowing Tamar to marry her lover without Aron divorcing her. Follow, Eddie and Yehoshua etc? שופטים ט"ז ט"ז וַיְהִי כִּי הֵצִיקָה לּוֹ בִדְבָרֶיהָ כָּל הַיָּמִים וַתְּאַלֲצֵהוּ וַתִּקְצַר נַפְשׁוֹ לָמוּת The wicked Delilah nagged and pressed Samson, by detaching herself from him when he was aroused etc. Yes, women can do that. That’s how G-d created men and women etc.
Thanks Israel Reader for your comments. Many rabbinical sources protect women’s right to such sex that will lead to her pregnancy. Many rabbinical sources allow a woman to remarry where her husband refuses to divorce her where her husband is not performing such sex that will lead to her pregnancy. Many rabbinical sources purify mamzer cases after the fact. No rabbinical sources allow patently false documents court standing --- such as the phony/fake Phd psychology letter that Aron is insane or the phony/fake 1995 Rigler Order of Separation etc. Follow, Eddie, Yehoshua, and Israel Reader? I’m expecting the Supreme Court of the US and the NYS Ct of Appeals to come down hard on Judge Eric I. Prus, G-d willing. More on this week’s parsha וישלח: “Deliver me, I pray, from the hand of my brother, from the hand of Esau; else, I fear, he may come and strike me down, mothers and children alike” (Genesis 32:12). Jacob was afraid he would suffer from מדת הדין, strict judgment, as, much later, the saintly Rabbi Akiva did etc. In truth, “He allowed no one to oppress them [Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob]; He reproved kings on their account, Do not touch My anointed ones; do not harm My prophets” (1 Chronicles 16:21-22).
Torah thought on parsha וישב She grabbed his robe and held on to it. Joseph fled without his robe. She claims he removed his robe, she screamed rape and Joseph fled without his robe. She wins in Egyptian court. “One such day, he came into the house to do his work. None of the household being there inside, she caught hold of him by his garment and said, Lie with me! But he left his garment in her hand and got away and fled outside. When she saw that he had left it in her hand and had fled outside, she called out to her servants and said to them, Look, he had to bring us a Hebrew to dally with us! This one came to lie with me; but I screamed loud. And when he heard me screaming at the top of my voice, he left his garment with me and got away and fled outside” (Genesis 39:11-15). I went to Israel in 1991 without Susan. I sent Susan a get in 1993 which Susan accepted at Rabbi Ralbag’s court. I met Yemima after I divorced Susan. Susan claims --- complete nonsense---I abandoned her and the house. My NYS Court of Appeals motion number 1149 return date December 10, 2018 will get to the bottom, maybe. Rabbi Kornfeld told my brother Yitzchok that Jerry is not abandoning his wife etc. G-d bless the memory of Rabbi Kornfeld. I expect to get my TIAA pension freed, G-d willing. Honesty, the many rabbinical sources are case rulings in Kethuboth etc. Was the Egyptian court that sentenced Joseph to life imprisonment--- corrupt etc? Was the NYS court that granted Susan a NYS civil divorce in 2013 --- corrupt etc? Any thoughts, Honesty, Eddie, Israel Reader, Yehoshua etc?
Kalonymus Anonymus says “Why did you leave without Susan in 1991? What was the agreement or lack of it?” Susan and I signed aliya papers in 1989 that we want to live in Jerusalem. Susan opened a file against me in Brooklyn Supreme Court in 1991---and never proved her complaints. Hey, Susan, allow me my pension and I’ll drop all my motions, complaints etc? What do you say? Deposit my pension money to my Chase bank account and I’ll write to the NYS Ct of Appeals that I’m withdrawing my motion---OK? I’ll give you the routing number for your deposit, let me know. You have to write to TIAA and to Judge Prus that I don’t owe you any money etc—OK? Yemima and I are looking forward to coming to Albany to the NYS Ct of Appeals to testify, if the court grants my motion 1149 of 12/10/2018 etc. Yemima will testify that she met me after I divorced Susan etc. I trust the court will cancel the Garson etc $25,000 fines against me etc.
Blah. Blah. Blah. Please answer the question. Can you provide a halachic source, that if the wife is left sexually unsatisfied, then that that is grounds for RETROACTIVE ANNULMENT of the marriage?
IsraelReader says “Can you provide a halachic source, that if the wife is left sexually unsatisfied, then that that is grounds for retroactive annulment of the marriage?” IsraelReader, we discussed an after the fact case where aim was to purify mamzerim, remember? To your question, serious halachic sources that go to great lengths to find leniencies to annul retroactively a marriage would never occur merely if the wife is left sexually unsatisfied. If she had one child, as did Tamar, she can no longer seriously seek retroactive annulment. I put the Kamenetsky-Greenblatt heter and Judge Prus etc in the category of mockery/unserious rabbinic/court actions. Show us the fake/phony PhD psychology letter that Aron is insane. Show us the fake/phony Rigler 1995 Order of Separation. Follow IsraelReader, Honesty etc? The issue is if the sex can lead to pregnancy, not to sexual satisfaction, follow?
Kalonymus Anonymus says”so is Susan alleging that you ran off with Yemima whilst you were still married to her?” I’m reading and loving Jack Engelhard’s Slot Attendant. I hope to write a book that later be a movie, G-d willing, that will answer all these questions. Maybe I’ll make Susan’s father to be a yeshiva rebel/drop-out, a communist sympathizer, mobster, millionaire etc. This is where Susan got her (internet 2012): “Supporters of Tamar Epstein, whose ex-husband, Aharon Friedman, refuses to give her a religious divorce, have been pressuring Friedman's boss, U.S. Rep. Dave Camp, R-Michigan, to fire Friedman. They have protested in front of Camp's office, signed a petition at change.org, started a website (freetamar.org) and in February, bombarded Camp's official congressional Facebook page. But Susan Aranoff, director of Agunah International, which supports Jewish women seeking divorces, said social media has little effect because many husbands still are resistant after all the bullets have been fired." Susan supports women seeking divorce. It doesn’t matter the husband takes the garbage out, does the shopping, changes the baby’s diaper, good in bed etc. Follow, Yehoshua, Eddie, Honesty, IsraelReader etc?
1. Maybe the husband is a gerrer chasid, where such behavior is required by the rebbe? Ref: gerrer "takkanot" of what they call "kedusha" 2. I read the Hebrew (English is just a slightly abridged version thereof) and it has nothing to do with permitting wife to remarry, nor does it discuss the husband's side, other than a 'wave of the hands' that the husband didn't object, simply the wife's claims. No discussion of marriage counseling (possible sexual counselling), no mikvah lady, no hairdresser, no family, no girlfriends, nobody else knows about this, but the wife now knows. Was there any preparation by bet din staff (like the Rackman bet din admitted)? And where is there discussion of permitting to remarry? On what grounds? Was this condition existing before the chuppah? Was there a previous marriage?
More Torah thought on וישב. ספר הישר רכ"ז relates that the wicked wife of Potiphar grabbed Joseph and Joseph’s robe and pulled out a sword and threatened to kill Joseph. Joseph broke away while she was holding his robe before her face causing the robe to tear to two. She held the Joseph’s robe torn to two. The priests-judges ruled that Joseph did nothing and Joseph does not deserve the death penalty. Joseph deserves life imprisonment for causing the wife of Potiphar rumors etc. The Egyptian court examined the torn Joseph robe the wife of the wicked Potiphar brought to the court. Will a future court examine the fake/phony PhD psychology letter Tamar brought to Rabbi Kamenetsky? Will a future court examine the fake/phony 1995 Rigler Order of Separation Myla Serlin, Susan’s lawyer, gave to Judge Prus on August 1, 2013? Interesting that Joseph’s robe torn to two is actually proof of his innocence. Surely, the wicked wife of Potiphar would have won in the Egypt court merely on her say so. She thought she was strengthening her case. Surely, Rabbi Kamenetsky would have approved Tamar remarrying without the fake/phony PhD psychology letter Tamar (or Tamar’s mother etc) brought to Rabbi Kamenetsky. Will Rabbi Kamenetsky and supporters admit that the fake/phony PhD psychology letter is a hoax?
I'm still waiting. Can you provide a single halachic source, that if the wife is left sexually unsatisfied, then that that is grounds for RETROACTIVE ANNULMENT of the marriage? Talmud? Rambam? Shulchan Aruch?
IsraelReader says “I'm still waiting.Can you provide a single halachic source, that if the wife is left sexually unsatisfied, then that that is grounds for RETROACTIVE ANNULMENT of the marriage? Talmud? Rambam? Shulchan Aruch?” Retroactive annulment is Susan’s big idea: “Agunah International I Will Betroth You with Justice under the Law - וארשתיך לי בצדק ובמשפט Agunah International Inc. The Rabbi Emanuel Rackman Agunah International Beit Din L’Inyenei Agunot Our Mission: To free women trapped in dead marriages by recalcitrant husbands who refuse to grant a Get. To promote a systemic halachic solution to free agunot. Rabbinical courts must be encouraged to assert their halachic authority to dissolve dead marriages by applying the halachic concepts of kiddushei ta’u, hafka’at kiddushin, and umdenah” Where a wife shows no hatred for him, the sages say in Kethuboth 116b she would not invent a lie to get rid of him. Where the wife shows hatred for him, e.g. going to Susan’s website and seeking Susan’s help, she Is not believed. The point of marriage is “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. They shall rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the cattle, the whole earth, and all the creeping things that creep on earth. And God created man in His image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them and God said to them, Be fertile and increase פרו ורבו, fill the earth and master it ומלאו את הארץ וכבשה; and rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, and all the living things that creep on earth.”(Genesis 1:26-28).
I read the English of the court’s decision December 4, 2017. Excellent. Bravo. Well reasoned. Sources on main points.
ReplyDeleteShulchan Aruch 76.2
שולחן ערוך אבן העזר הלכות כתובות סימן עו סעיף ב
הפועלים, אם הייתה מלאכתם בעיר, פעמים בשבת; ואם הייתה מלאכתם בעיר אחרת, פעם אחת בשבת. וי"א דאם אינם לנין כל לילה בביתם, עונתן לח' ימים) (טור ותוס' בשם ר"י בר ברוך). החמרים, פעם אחת בשבת. הגמלים, אחת לשלשים יום. המלחים, אחת לששה חדשים. תלמידי חכמים, עונתם פעם אחת בשבת; ודרך ת"ח לשמש מטתן מלילי שבת ללילי שבת.
Sotah 9b
“Finally, after she [Delilah] had nagged him [Samson] and pressed him [Samson] constantly, he [Samson] was wearied to death” (Judges 16:16). What means “pressed him [Samson] constantly”? R. Isaac of the School of R. Ammi said: At the time of the consummation, she detached herself from him.
God created men to have huge desires for pleasures of the flesh and for a good dish. I wrote here about Isaac on these matters. My focus is on Judge Eric I. Prus for accepting an obviously phony/fake 1995 Rigler Order of Separation and ruling the 2013 NYS civil divorce me and Susan valid on the basis of phony/fake document. This is similar to Rabbi Kamenetsky and Rabbi Greenblatt accepting the obviously phony/fake PhD psychology letter that Aron is insane and allowing Tamar to marry her lover without Aron divorcing her. Follow, Eddie and Yehoshua etc?
שופטים ט"ז ט"ז
וַיְהִי כִּי הֵצִיקָה לּוֹ בִדְבָרֶיהָ כָּל הַיָּמִים וַתְּאַלֲצֵהוּ וַתִּקְצַר נַפְשׁוֹ לָמוּת
The wicked Delilah nagged and pressed Samson, by detaching herself from him when he was aroused etc. Yes, women can do that. That’s how G-d created men and women etc.
Can you provide a halachic source, that if the wife is left sexually unsatisfied, then that that is grounds for retroactive annulment of the marriage?
ReplyDeleteAnother mamzer producing ruling by the International Mamzer Factory.
ReplyDeleteThanks Israel Reader for your comments. Many rabbinical sources protect women’s right to such sex that will lead to her pregnancy. Many rabbinical sources allow a woman to remarry where her husband refuses to divorce her where her husband is not performing such sex that will lead to her pregnancy. Many rabbinical sources purify mamzer cases after the fact. No rabbinical sources allow patently false documents court standing --- such as the phony/fake Phd psychology letter that Aron is insane or the phony/fake 1995 Rigler Order of Separation etc. Follow, Eddie, Yehoshua, and Israel Reader? I’m expecting the Supreme Court of the US and the NYS Ct of Appeals to come down hard on Judge Eric I. Prus, G-d willing.
ReplyDeleteMore on this week’s parsha וישלח:
“Deliver me, I pray, from the hand of my brother, from the hand of Esau; else, I fear, he may come and strike me down, mothers and children alike” (Genesis 32:12). Jacob was afraid he would suffer from מדת הדין, strict judgment, as, much later, the saintly Rabbi Akiva did etc. In truth, “He allowed no one to oppress them [Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob]; He reproved kings on their account, Do not touch My anointed ones; do not harm My prophets” (1 Chronicles 16:21-22).
He asked you to identify the "many rabbinical sources". You have not done so. Just identify the sources, if the indeed exist.
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ReplyDeleteShe grabbed his robe and held on to it. Joseph fled without his robe. She claims he removed his robe, she screamed rape and Joseph fled without his robe. She wins in Egyptian court. “One such day, he came into the house to do his work. None of the household being there inside, she caught hold of him by his garment and said, Lie with me! But he left his garment in her hand and got away and fled outside. When she saw that he had left it in her hand and had fled outside, she called out to her servants and said to them, Look, he had to bring us a Hebrew to dally with us! This one came to lie with me; but I screamed loud. And when he heard me screaming at the top of my voice, he left his garment with me and got away and fled outside” (Genesis 39:11-15).
I went to Israel in 1991 without Susan. I sent Susan a get in 1993 which Susan accepted at Rabbi Ralbag’s court. I met Yemima after I divorced Susan. Susan claims --- complete nonsense---I abandoned her and the house. My NYS Court of Appeals motion number 1149 return date December 10, 2018 will get to the bottom, maybe. Rabbi Kornfeld told my brother Yitzchok that Jerry is not abandoning his wife etc. G-d bless the memory of Rabbi Kornfeld. I expect to get my TIAA pension freed, G-d willing.
Honesty, the many rabbinical sources are case rulings in Kethuboth etc. Was the Egyptian court that sentenced Joseph to life imprisonment--- corrupt etc? Was the NYS court that granted Susan a NYS civil divorce in 2013 --- corrupt etc? Any thoughts, Honesty, Eddie, Israel Reader, Yehoshua etc?
Why did you leave without Susan in 1991? What was the agreement or lack of it?
ReplyDeleteIMF - Impossible Mission Force
ReplyDeleteWhere did Joe Orlow go?
ReplyDeleteKalonymus Anonymus says “Why did you leave without Susan in 1991? What was the agreement or lack of it?”
ReplyDeleteSusan and I signed aliya papers in 1989 that we want to live in Jerusalem. Susan opened a file against me in Brooklyn Supreme Court in 1991---and never proved her complaints.
Hey, Susan, allow me my pension and I’ll drop all my motions, complaints etc? What do you say? Deposit my pension money to my Chase bank account and I’ll write to the NYS Ct of Appeals that I’m withdrawing my motion---OK? I’ll give you the routing number for your deposit, let me know. You have to write to TIAA and to Judge Prus that I don’t owe you any money etc—OK? Yemima and I are looking forward to coming to Albany to the NYS Ct of Appeals to testify, if the court grants my motion 1149 of 12/10/2018 etc. Yemima will testify that she met me after I divorced Susan etc. I trust the court will cancel the Garson etc $25,000 fines against me etc.
so is Susan alleging that you ran off with Yemima whilst you were still married to her?
ReplyDeleteBlah. Blah. Blah. Please answer the question.
ReplyDeleteCan you provide a halachic source, that if the wife is left sexually unsatisfied, then that that is grounds for RETROACTIVE ANNULMENT of the marriage?
IsraelReader says “Can you provide a halachic source, that if the wife is left sexually unsatisfied, then that that is grounds for retroactive annulment of the marriage?”
ReplyDeleteIsraelReader, we discussed an after the fact case where aim was to purify mamzerim, remember? To your question, serious halachic sources that go to great lengths to find leniencies to annul retroactively a marriage would never occur merely if the wife is left sexually unsatisfied. If she had one child, as did Tamar, she can no longer seriously seek retroactive annulment. I put the Kamenetsky-Greenblatt heter and Judge Prus etc in the category of mockery/unserious rabbinic/court actions. Show us the fake/phony PhD psychology letter that Aron is insane. Show us the fake/phony Rigler 1995 Order of Separation. Follow IsraelReader, Honesty etc?
The issue is if the sex can lead to pregnancy, not to sexual satisfaction, follow?
I think he was kidnapped by antifa aliens.
ReplyDeleteKalonymus Anonymus says”so is Susan alleging that you ran off with Yemima whilst you were still married to her?”
ReplyDeleteI’m reading and loving Jack Engelhard’s Slot Attendant. I hope to write a book that later be a movie, G-d willing, that will answer all these questions. Maybe I’ll make Susan’s father to be a yeshiva rebel/drop-out, a communist sympathizer, mobster, millionaire etc. This is where Susan got her
(internet 2012):
“Supporters of Tamar Epstein, whose ex-husband, Aharon Friedman, refuses to give her a religious divorce, have been pressuring Friedman's boss, U.S. Rep. Dave Camp, R-Michigan, to fire Friedman. They have protested in front of Camp's office, signed a petition at change.org, started a website (freetamar.org) and in February, bombarded Camp's official congressional Facebook page. But Susan Aranoff, director of Agunah International, which supports Jewish women seeking divorces, said social media has little effect because many husbands still are resistant after all the bullets have been fired."
Susan supports women seeking divorce. It doesn’t matter the husband takes the garbage out, does the shopping, changes the baby’s diaper, good in bed etc. Follow, Yehoshua, Eddie, Honesty, IsraelReader etc?
1. Maybe the husband is a gerrer chasid, where such behavior is required by the rebbe? Ref: gerrer "takkanot" of what they call "kedusha"
ReplyDelete2. I read the Hebrew (English is just a slightly abridged version thereof) and it has nothing to do with permitting wife to remarry, nor does it discuss the husband's side, other than a 'wave of the hands' that the husband didn't object, simply the wife's claims. No discussion of marriage counseling (possible sexual counselling), no mikvah lady, no hairdresser, no family, no girlfriends, nobody else knows about this, but the wife now knows. Was there any preparation by bet din staff (like the Rackman bet din admitted)?
And where is there discussion of permitting to remarry? On what grounds? Was this condition existing before the chuppah? Was there a previous marriage?
More Torah thought on וישב.
ReplyDeleteספר הישר רכ"ז relates that the wicked wife of Potiphar grabbed Joseph and Joseph’s robe and pulled out a sword and threatened to kill Joseph. Joseph broke away while she was holding his robe before her face causing the robe to tear to two. She held the Joseph’s robe torn to two. The priests-judges ruled that Joseph did nothing and Joseph does not deserve the death penalty. Joseph deserves life imprisonment for causing the wife of Potiphar rumors etc.
The Egyptian court examined the torn Joseph robe the wife of the wicked Potiphar brought to the court. Will a future court examine the fake/phony PhD psychology letter Tamar brought to Rabbi Kamenetsky? Will a future court examine the fake/phony 1995 Rigler Order of Separation Myla Serlin, Susan’s lawyer, gave to Judge Prus on August 1, 2013? Interesting that Joseph’s robe torn to two is actually proof of his innocence. Surely, the wicked wife of Potiphar would have won in the Egypt court merely on her say so. She thought she was strengthening her case. Surely, Rabbi Kamenetsky would have approved Tamar remarrying without the fake/phony PhD psychology letter Tamar (or Tamar’s mother etc) brought to Rabbi Kamenetsky. Will Rabbi Kamenetsky and supporters admit that the fake/phony PhD psychology letter is a hoax?
I'm still waiting.
ReplyDeleteCan you provide a single halachic source, that if the wife is left sexually unsatisfied, then that that is grounds for RETROACTIVE ANNULMENT of the marriage?
Talmud?
Rambam?
Shulchan Aruch?
IsraelReader says “I'm still waiting.Can you provide a single halachic source, that if the wife is left sexually unsatisfied, then that that is grounds for RETROACTIVE ANNULMENT of the marriage? Talmud? Rambam? Shulchan Aruch?”
ReplyDeleteRetroactive annulment is Susan’s big idea: “Agunah International I Will Betroth You with Justice under the Law - וארשתיך לי בצדק ובמשפט Agunah International Inc. The Rabbi Emanuel Rackman Agunah International Beit Din L’Inyenei Agunot Our Mission: To free women trapped in dead marriages by recalcitrant husbands who refuse to grant a Get. To promote a systemic halachic solution to free agunot. Rabbinical courts must be encouraged to assert their halachic authority to dissolve dead marriages by applying the halachic concepts of kiddushei ta’u, hafka’at kiddushin, and umdenah”
Where a wife shows no hatred for him, the sages say in Kethuboth 116b she would not invent a lie to get rid of him. Where the wife shows hatred for him, e.g. going to Susan’s website and seeking Susan’s help, she Is not believed.
The point of marriage is
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. They shall rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the cattle, the whole earth, and all the creeping things that creep on earth. And God created man in His image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them and God said to them, Be fertile and increase פרו ורבו, fill the earth and master it ומלאו את הארץ וכבשה; and rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, and all the living things that creep on earth.”(Genesis 1:26-28).