Letters to the Editor
Zionist-Nazi Collaboration
Dear Editor:
Tony Greenstein’s article, ‘Zionist-Nazi Collaboration and the Holocaust: A Historical
Aberration? Lenni Brenner Revisited’,
Holy Land Studies: A Multidisciplinary Journal, Vol.3,
No.2 (2014) gave the readers a distorted picture of my 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the
Dictators, and I must rebut his critique, point by point.
According to Greenstein, the book has ‘major shortcomings’. Among them, he
criticises my ‘failure to analyse the Holocaust in depth’ (p.187), without telling us what
an in depth analysis would entail. This is known as critiquing a book the author has not
written, instead of exposing errors in the book he actually wrote.
My preface explained that:
Unless this book were to become an encyclopaedia, the material had necessarily
to be selected, with all due care, so that a rounded picture might come forth.
The book’s focus was exactly expressed in its title: Zionism in The Age Of The Dictators.
Its documentation of sundry Zionist factions’ relationships with Nazism got favourable
reviews from London’s Times, Moscow’s Izvestia, the official organ of the Soviet Union,
and numerous other journals. No reviewer, pro or con, lamented about how it didn’t
analyze the Holocaust.
Greenstein complained about my ‘treating Yad Vashem as a dispassionate, neutral academic institution dedicated to Holocaust research, rather than a
propaganda institute’. (p.187). But I did not discuss Yad Vashem, Israel’s Holocaust
memorial museum. I only quoted Yisrael Gutman, one of its scholars, regarding the misleadership of some of Holocaust Poland’s Zionist leaders (Brenner, pp.204, 209). I have
challenged Greenstein, ‘Do you have a problem with those quotes?’ (azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/
2015/01/zionist-nazi-collaboration-revisited.html) He never answered that question.
Greenstein frets that I ‘failed to analyse the role of the Judenräte within the process
of the extermination of the Jews. Instead he focussed on the character of their individual
members’ (p.193). In fact I wrote that ‘not all leaders or members of the Jewish Councils
collaborated, but the moral atmosphere within them was extremely corrupting’ (Brenner,
p.205). I dealt, in detail, with ‘individual members’ because they were Zionists.
Greenstein arraigns my ‘belief that Europe’s Jews could be saved through bribery,
Weissmandel’s Europa Plan in particular. Brenner uncritically adopted the politics of the
Jewish Orthodoxy’ (p.188). Rabbi Weissmandel thought it possible to bribe some Nazis to
slow the extermination. But I added that he ‘was thinking beyond just bribery. He realized
immediately that with money it was possible to mobilize the Slovak partisans’ (p.236).
There is not a word in the book endorsing Orthodoxy’s bribery strategy.
Greenstein claims I ‘uncritically accepted the argument that Adolf Eichmann’s ‘Blood
for Trucks’ offer could have saved Hungarian Jewry’ (p.188). That is also false. I cited what
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Zionist Joel Brand thought might come of Eichmann’s proposal to let some Jews live in
exchange for London and Washington giving Hitler trucks to use against Stalin: ‘Brand
hoped that it would be possible to negotiate for more realistic arrangements or, at least, to
decoy the Nazis into thinking that a deal could be made’ (Brenner, p.254).
Greenstein has me ‘personally blaming Rudolf Kasztner, the leader of Hungarian
Zionism and the Jewish Agency’s ‘Rescue Committee’ (Va’ada) in Budapest, for the rapid
extermination of Hungarian Jewry whilst ignoring the role of the Jewish Agency’ (p.188).
Again, that is untrue. My Hungarian chapter details the role of Moshe Shertok, the head
of the World Zionist Organisation’s Jewish Agency’s Political Department. It ends with the
exact opposite of blaming the disaster personally on Kasztner:
That one Zionist betrayed the Jews would not be of any moment: no movement
is responsible for its renegades. However, Kasztner was never regarded as a traitor
by the Labour Zionists. On the contrary, they insisted, that if he was guilty,
so were they. . . . by far the most important aspect of the Kasztner-Gruenwald
affair was its full exposure of the working philosophy of the World Zionist
Organisation (WZO) throughout the entire Nazi era: the sanctification of the
betrayal of the many in the interest of a selected immigration to Palestine’.
(pp.263–264)
Greenstein deplores ‘A failure to mention Rudolph Vrba and Alfred Wetzler, who
escaped from Auschwitz on 10 April 1944, or the Auschwitz Protocols’ (p.187). On my
page 255 I told how:
Weissmandel had sent detailed diagrams of Auschwitz and maps of the railway
lines through Slovakia to Silesia to the Jewish organizations in Switzerland
demanding ‘absolutely, and in the strongest terms’, that they call upon the Allies
to bomb the death camp and the railways.
I wrote about WZO President Chaim Weizmann taking the info to ‘the British Foreign
Secretary. . . in an extremely hesitant manner. . . . A memorandum by Moshe Shertok to
the British Foreign Office, written four days later, conveys the same hangdog scepticism’.
Suppose I had written ‘Weissmandel had sent detailed diagrams of Auschwitz and maps
of the railway lines through Slovakia to Silesia’. which he got from Vrba and Wetzler, two
escapees from the camp. That would not have added anything important re documenting
the WZO leaders sheepish pleas to bomb Auschwitz. Likewise, my readers didn’t have to
know that the Protocols were the source of Weissmandel’s alert to Kasztner. They learned
that Kasztner didn’t tell Hungary’s Jews to resist being sent to Auschwitz, which he knew
was a death camp.
Greenstein condemns my ‘failure to ask what the implications for the future were of
Zionist collaboration with the Nazis. With particular reference to Argentina. The Zionist
movement argues that the Holocaust was a product of having no state and Jewish weakness
but the Israeli state’s attitude to anti-Semitism is no different from Zionism historically’
(p.188). That is also unfair critique. Adding Israel’s Argentine dealings ‘between 1976 and
1983’ (p.190) would not have provided the book’s readers with any information regarding
Hitler-era Zionism.
My chapter 8, ‘Palestine: The Arabs, Zionists, British and Nazis’, took on the role of
the Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husayni, during World War Two: ‘[H]is Jew-hatred and
his anti-Communism persuaded him to go to Berlin and to oppose any release of Jews from
the camps for fear that they would end up in Palestine. He eventually organised Muslim SS
troops against the Soviets and the Yugoslav partisans’ (Brenner, p.102). Greenstein did not
dare write anything about my chapter 8, but he told us that ‘Yad Vashem has a special wall
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devoted to the Mufti of Jerusalem, Muhammad Amin al-Husayni, a minor war criminal’
(p.190).
This is very unhelpful. Mussolini met the Mufti on 27 October 1941. Hitler had a wellpublicised conference with him on 28 November 1941. The Mufti asked for a declaration
of support for Arab struggles for independence from Britain and France. Hitler rejected
this. Supporting Arab liberation would have created problems with Vichy France. But he
assured the Mufti that, after defeating the Soviets in the Caucasus, his army would then
support Arab liberation and wipe out the Jews in the British Middle East, i.e. in Palestine.
Hitler set him up in Berlin. He made radio broadcasts to the Arab world and recruited
Bosnians and Soviet Muslim POWs into Muslim SS units. The Nazis paid him 50,000
marks a month when German field marshals only earned 25,000 marks a year. Did
Hitler pay that fortune to a ‘minor’ war criminal? His Bosnians ultimately rebelled
against the Nazis because of Germany’s simultaneous alliance with Serbian nationalists who
murdered Muslims. He did not order their rebellion, and continued recruiting into the SS.
Germany organised SS units composed of Muslim Soviet POWs. At a 14
December 1943
gathering, he became their ‘spiritual leader’. They murdered thousands during the 1944
Polish revolt.
Greenstein is confronted by the fact that the most prominent Nazi era Palestinian leader
collaborated. He can’t deny this so, after telling us about my book’s ‘major shortcomings’.
he reduces the Mufti into ‘a minor war criminal’. A photo, the Mufti with Hitler, is at
wiki/Haj Amin al-Husseini. The readers of Journal of Holy Land and Palestine Studies will
recognise a major collaborator and simultaneously doubt Greenstein re my book. But that
is not enough. They should read it and spread the word regarding Zionist collaboration
with Mussolini and Hitler.
Lenni Brenner
Hamden, Connecticut, USA
brennerl21@aol.com
Dear Editor,
Zionism in the Age of the Dictators broke new ground, in documenting Zionist behaviour
during the Nazi era. Nonetheless it had serious flaws which are, in part, responsible for
why it has had relatively little impact. Zionism in the Age of the Dictators was restricted by
its narrow focus. What it omitted left its analysis seriously skewed. My article attempted
a radical rethink of Zionism in the Age of the Dictators from an anti-Zionist perspective.
Brenner would have us treat it as though it were the tablets of stone.
The foundational Zionist myth of the Holocaust, in which non-Jewish victims are
excluded, has become a major propaganda instrument in Zionism’s war against the
Palestinians. Contradictory elements such as the role of the Jewish Councils (Judenrate)
and the Jewish Resistance have to be reconciled. As Professor Israel Shahak, a childhood
survivor of the Warsaw ghetto and Bergen-Belsen concentration camp wrote, the Israeli
education system instilled ‘not an awareness of the Holocaust but rather the myth of the
Holocaust or even a falsification of the Holocaust (in the sense that ‘a half-truth is worse
than a lie’)’ (Kol Hair, Jerusalem, 12 May 1989).
Brenner does not even appear to recognise that Yad Vashem is not a neutral academic
research institution but a propaganda organisation. Its work is a form of historical
revisionism.
When I wrote of the ‘failure to analyse the Holocaust in depth’ I meant that there
is little evidence that Brenner understands or appreciates the motivation and processes
that led to the final solution. Brenner treats the Europa proposals of Rabbi Weissmandel
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to bribe the Nazis with $2m to stop the exterminations sympathetically. He utters not
one word of criticism yet the Nazis made far greater sacrifices in order to complete the
final solution. Extermination was prioritised in preference to military transportation to
the Eastern Front. Himmler was quite explicit: ‘The argument of war production, which
nowadays in Germany is the favorite reason for opposing anything at all, I do not recognize
in the first place’. Is it really likely that $2m would have halted the extermination of
European Jewry?
Brenner describes how Rudolf Kasztner and Joel Brand met with Wisliceny on 29
March 1944 and agreed to pay the $2m, how a deposit was subsequently paid but still the
Jews were ghettoised and deported (252).
Raul Hilberg’s argument that most of the preparatory work up to the deportations
had been carried out by the Judenrate and that their behaviour was responsible for
the efficiency of the extermination process caused an outcry amongst Zionist holocaust
historians.
At Yad Vashem’s 1977 Conference on ‘Patterns of Jewish Leadership in Nazi Europe
1933–1945’, Raul Hilberg was attacked by Gideon Hausner, the Prosecutor in the
Eichmann Trial. Hausner asked what options did the Judenrat have and why did Hilberg
not credit those Judenrat which tried to do better? Hilberg’s response was that the process
of destruction could not be understood unless one also took account of Jewish behaviour
and that despite their welfare activities ‘The Councils served the Nazis with their ‘good’
qualities as well as the “bad”’ (Hilberg (1979: 32). The Judenrate inevitably collaborated
unless they took a conscious decision to support and join the Resistance. Hilberg argued
that if one wished to prevent a reoccurrence of the Holocaust then one had to study what
had transpired.
Brenner describes how scholars had shown that not all the Judenrat’s members had
collaborated and how the atmosphere within them was ‘extremely corrupting’. But this
was irrelevant. What mattered was their role in the extermination process. Corruption was
inevitable in this context.
Brenner claims that ‘There is not a word in the book endorsing Orthodoxy’s bribery
strategy’. He also wrote that Weissmandel ‘became one of the outstanding Jewish figures
during the holocaust’ and described his post-war book, Min Hamaitzer as ‘one of the most
powerful indictments of Zionism and the Jewish establishment explaining that ‘it helps
put Gruenbaum’s unwillingness to send money into occupied Europe into the proper
perspective’ (235–6). Brenner cites Weissmandel as saying that ‘the money is needed
here – by us and not by them’, that Weissmandel was thinking beyond bribery and that
he believed it would make possible the mobilisation of the Slovakian partisans. This was
wishful thinking. Brenner describes, uncritically, how ‘the key question’ for Weissmandel
was whether the senior ranks of the SS or Nazi regime could be bribed.
This was the problem. Weissmandel’s strategy of negotiating with the SS rather than
resistance was also the Zionist strategy. If he had used his religious contacts in Hungary to
distribute the Auschwitz Protocols of Rudolph Vrba and Alfred Wetzler, who escaped from
Auschwitz on 7 April and which contained maps and details of Auschwitz and described
the gas chambers, then thousands could have been saved. If the Jews had had access to
them they wouldn’t have willingly gone to the brickyards and could have escaped over the
borders or gone into hiding. This is what George Tsoros, Elie Wiesel and others confirm.
Brenner does not even mention the letter which Weissmandel wrote to Rabbi
Freudiger urging that negotiations should be undertaken with Wisliceny, who could be
trusted. Braham describes this as the ‘fatal advice of the Slovak Jewish leaders’. He sees the
whole focus of Jewish resistance to the Nazis in terms of Weissmandel and Brand: ‘The
Jews of occupied Europe, through Weissmandel and Brand, were imploring immediate
action’ (256). Not for nothing was Weissmandel described by Vrba as a ‘tragic-comic
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clown’ and his Europa plan as ‘truly hair-brained’. He rejects my claim that he uncritically
accepted the argument that Adolf Eichmann’s ‘Blood for Trucks’ offer could have saved
Hungarian Jewry’.
Brenner devotes three pages to the Blood for Trucks deal. He describes the allegedly
hostile reaction of Zionist leaders Shertok and Weizmann. He states that Brand ‘never had
any illusions that Eichmann’s proposals would be accepted by the Western Allies’. But this
is not true. In the Kasztner trial Brand testified that ‘the inevitable result of his failure
to return to Hungary’ had been the renewed extermination of Hungarian Jews (which
had never stopped). In May 1964, while testifying at the trial of Krumey and Hunsche,
Brand confessed to a ‘terrible mistake’ in passing Eichmann’s offer to the British. He now
realised that ‘Himmler sought to sow suspicion among the Allies as a preparation for his
much-desired Nazi-Western coalition against Moscow’ (New York Times, 21 May 1964).
Brenner rejects the suggestion that he placed the blame for the rapid extermination of
Hungarian Jewry on Rudolf Kasztner personally rather than the Jewish Agency. This is a
matter of interpretation. Nearly the whole of the chapter on Hungary focuses on Kasztner.
There is no attempt to examine the role of the Jewish Agency and the denial by Eliyahu
Dobkin that the Jewish Agency did not give Kasztner permission to testify on behalf of
Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg. The impression of anyone reading Brenner’s account
of the betrayal of Hungarian Jewry was that it was all because of an ‘ice cold lawyer and
fanatical Zionist’ (258).
Brenner says mentioning Vrba and Wetzler would have added nothing to his description
of how Weissmandel had sent detailed diagrams of Auschwitz to Orthodox Jewish
organisations in Switzerland ‘demanding absolutely, and in the strongest terms’ that
they call upon the Allies to bomb the death camp and the railways’. This is another
example of a failure to analyse the Holocaust in depth. Why should Weissmandel’s call
for bombing Auschwitz and the railway lines be seen as the epicentre of efforts to prevent
the extermination of Hungarian Jewry? It was never likely that the Allies would divert
military resources to save Europe’s Jews or that it would have saved a large number of Jews.
Because the Auschwitz Protocols were translated into a number of languages and widely
distributed to the Vatican, religious and political leaders, diplomats and others, the Swiss
press publicised them at the end of June as did the BBC.
On 26 June 1944 Roosevelt warned Horthy to stop the deportations. The American
Administration understood that the weak point in the deportations lay in Hungary not
Slovakia or Poland. On 2 August 1944 a particularly heavy bombing raid of Budapest
coupled with messages from Pius XII, King Gustav of Sweden, the ICRC and others, led
to Horthy stopping the deportations on 7 July 1944. It was the Auschwitz Protocols not
Weissmandel, which had saved the Jews of Budapest. Brenner’s decision to ignore them
is inexplicable. Yisrael Gutman of Yad Vashem admitted that Kasztner ‘had already made
a decision, together with other Jewish leaders, choosing not to disseminate the report in
order not to harm the negotiations with the Nazis’.
The Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husayni, knew of the final solution from Himmler
by the summer of 1943 yet he lobbied the Nazis into preventing the escape of Jews from
Europe, lest they go to Palestine. He made pro-Nazi broadcasts to the Middle East and
helped recruit three Muslim SS Divisions in Bosnia and Albania (which didn’t take part in
the deportation of Jews) before being dispatched to France where they rebelled and ended
up joining the Partisans.
As Brenner himself wrote, the Mufti was ‘an incompetent reactionary who was driven
into his anti-Semitism by the Zionists’ (p.102). Peter Novick wrote that of the Mufti
that ‘post-war claims that he played any significant part in the Holocaust have never been
sustained’.
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Brenner entirely misses the point. The Zionists made the Mufti into a major war
criminal, with the second longest entry in the Holocaust Encyclopedia, as well as his
own wall in Yad Vashem because, as Tom Segev noted: ‘The visitor is left to conclude
that there is much in common between the Nazis’ plan to destroy the Jews and the Arabs
enmity to Israel’. Was he even on the same level as Walter Rauf, the inventor of the mobile
gas chamber and an Israeli agent whom Israel helped escape to South America? Rauff had
the blood of 100,000 on his hands.
Idith Zertal, in Israel’s Holocaust and the Politics of Nationhood (p.100) wrote how the
Zionist movement was responsible for ‘the transference of the Holocaust situation on to
the Middle East reality . . . immensely distorted the image of the Holocaust, dwarfing the
magnitude of the atrocities committed by the Nazis, trivializing the unique agony of the
victims and the survivors and utterly demonizing the Arabs and their leaders’. This was
done through systematic references . . . to the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin El-Husseini
‘who was depicted as a prominent designer of the Final solution and a major Nazi criminal’.
Tony Greenstein
Independent Researcher
Brighton, UK tonygreenstein111@gmail.com
DOI: 10.3366/hlps.2015.0123
Tony greenstein is a moiser, hater of Jews , well known in the Anglo Jewish world as an anti Semitic rodeif. They don't accept state of Israel. He is a secular neturei kaka.
ReplyDeleteThe Tzaddik, Rav Zerach Warhaftig saved thousands of lives, but many thousands more were not saved because of the failure of those who rejected his offer, and relied on their own alleged "daas Torah"
ReplyDeletehttps://www.passport-collector.com/jewish-travel-document-including-highly-rare-visa-japanese-diplomat-chiune-sugihara/
Tom Segev tells a famous story about the early days of the Medina. A woman, a holocaust survivor , a few years after the war was going to work one morning, and at the bus stop she sees a soldier coming off a bus. They look at each other for a couple of seconds, and she calls his name "Chaim". This was her son, whom she last saw when he was 14 and thought that he had been killed by the Germans.
ReplyDelete"Mizrahi leader Zerah Warhaftig counseled many Jews to take the Curacao
ReplyDeleteoption. 2,200 Jews took this chance and reached Japan. About 1,400
stayed there until they were able to continue to the free world. 1,000
remaining Jews were permitted by Japan to enter its section of Shanghai,
to survive the war. Interestingly the majority of Polish refugee
yeshiva heads who had escaped to Lithuania, and were the primary focus
of the rescue efforts of the Vaad Ha-Hatzala throughout the war, were
staunchly opposed to the use of Curaao visas and strongly advised their
students against obtaining them. For example Kletzk yeshiva head Rabbi
Aron Kotler, who later established the Lakewood Yeshiva in New Jersey,
and Rabbi Elchanan Wasserman, the Rosh yeshiva of Baronowitz, both
feared that the Soviets would not honor the Curacao visas, and would
deport the yeshivot to Siberia. The reason Rabbi Kotler and Rabbi
Wasserman were opposed to getting visas was because (1) they feared the
Soviet Communists would close the Yeshivot, (2) they had visas to
America, and (3) they felt responsible for their students and it was
impossible to imigrate as a whole school. Rabbi Kotler went to America
while Rabbi Wasserman remained behind and was murdered by Lithuanians in
Kanaus. Only Rabbi Eliezer Yehuda Finkel, head of the Mir Yeshiva, took
Warhaftig's advice. Thus only the Mir Yeshiva was rescued in its
entirety. Of the 20 additional yeshivot which also escaped from Eastern
Poland to Lithuania (Slobodka and Telz are Lithuanian yeshivot), the
overwhelming majority were murdered at the hands of the Nazis and their
collaborators. The activities and fate of the students of the Yeshivot
besides Mir, such as Radin, Slutzk, Navardok, Lomza, Slonim, Brisk
(Torat Chesed), Baranowitz (Ohel Torah and Torah Chesed), Bialystok
(Beit Yoseph), Grodno (Sha'ar ha-Torah), Kamenetz (Knesset Beit Israel),
Kletzk (Etz Chaim), Kobrin, Mezritch, Lubavitch, Ostrava, Lutzk,
Volozhin, Lublin, Warsaw-Beit Shmuel, and Pinsk (Beit Yoseph) clearly
places guilt upon the Nazis and their willing executioners. Zuroff
notes, "Only the Mir Yeshiva emigrated in its entirety, and among the
rest of the refugee scholars the percentage of rabbis and roshei yeshiva
(as opposed to students) was relatively large, which meant a higher
number of wives and children" (p. 196).
https://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=5958
https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/a-review-of-lenni-brenners-51-documents-zionist-collaboration-with-the-nazis/
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If the oaths were not a problem, why else would you oppose Zionism. ? Remember, Herod, who was secular menuval and not even Jewish lefi Halacha, and chazal praised him for upgrading and expanding the Beis hamikdash.
ReplyDeleteכְּסִיל
ReplyDeletePharoism also helped us to convert the slaves into Israelites, 9although 80%died in egypt.
Hamanism helped convert mordechai and all the Jews into militants, who carried arms and fought their enemies.
Romanism helped convert Rabi Akiva into a Bar kochva-ist.
Berel, Arthur Bloggs:
ReplyDeleteWhy were Mordechai and the Jews allowed to wage war against the goyim of the galus, if the 3 oaths were allegedly given on sinai?
No answer proves you don't know what you are talking about
so you are counting how many posts you have put this silly poster on? idiot
ReplyDeleteStop showing off your am harotzas!
ReplyDeleteAfter the Holocaust began in 1942, Eichmann
ReplyDeletedealt regularly with Dr. Rudolf Kastner, a Hungarian Jew, whom he
considered a “fanatical Zionist.” Kastner was later assassinated in
Israel as a Nazi collaborator. At issue then, however, was the
bargaining over the eventual fate of Hungary’s Jews, who were slated for
liquidation in the Nazi-run death camps. Eichmann
said this about Kastner, the Zionist representative, “I believe that
[he] would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood
to achieve his political goal. He was not interested in
old Jews or those who had become assimilated into Hungarian society.
‘You can have the others,’ he would say, ‘but let me have this group
here.’ And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep
the deportation camps peaceful. I would let his groups escape.”
that's what you do, just copy and paste a few pictures from nazi websites around the world
ReplyDeleteI see you swear by every word Eichmann says, you are his true Chossid!
ReplyDeleteI forgot to add to my comments - also Berel now relies on Eichmann's testimony, takes every word of his as "gospel" (Daas Torah).
ReplyDeleteYes, Berel has true emunas chochomim (in Adolf Eichman Yemach shmam)
you are simply unable to answer this question, go find some more nazi posters
ReplyDeleteaccording to you, it was even assur for Israel to execute Eichmann, right? Because it might anger the "nations".
ReplyDeleteYou very sick people.
The Holocaust was aided and abetted by the Zionists,
ReplyDeleteMaybe even orchestrated to make sure 2 million frum hasidic voters dont surface in the New israel! Sad but likely true
Only rich educated German Jews or Secular ones needed according to Transfer Agreement
The Holocaust was aided and abetted by the Zionists,
ReplyDeleteMaybe even orchestrated to make sure 2 million frum hasidic voters dont surface in the New israel! Sad but likely true
Only rich educated German Jews or Secular ones needed according to Transfer Agreement123
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1688380/chareidim-protest-induction-of-women-into-the-idf-at-central-induction-center-video.html
ReplyDeleteagain, you are telling nonsense and making false claims
ReplyDeletein 1933, it was not yet clear what the Nazis intended to do. The haavara agreement was to transfer Jews from Germany to EY. Nothing to do with them being rich or secular, the Germans had stripped them of assets.
Had this not been done, even these these Jews might have been murdered. which Jews were saved in 1933 by Anti-zionist sects? None. Vaad hatzalah was set up only in 1939, well after the Transfer agreement was ended.
You simply wish to demonize zionism, hence you give yourself the heter to make up any and all lies you can against them. It shows that you do not have true Jewish yichus.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/adolf-hitler-zionism-zionist-nazis-haavara-agreement-ken-livingstone-labour-antisemitism-row-a7009981.html
כְּסִיל
ReplyDelete"In 1939, Hitler and Stalin divided Poland between them, with the Soviet
regime annexing the eastern half of the country, home to perhaps 1.5
million Jews, containing nearly all of the well“known Orthodox yeshivot
. In June 1940, the Soviet Union annexed the three Baltic republics,
including Lithuania, traditionally one of the main centers of Orthodox
Jewry. The Stalinist regime deported an estimated 1.25 million Jews and
non“Jews to Siberia; one historian has claimed that 100,000 Jews were
killed in this period. Stalin imposed a grim and rapid sovietization of
Polish society in the two years of his rule there. For the Jews this
meant the destruction of traditional religious life, as well as all
manifestations of Jewish identity that didn’t fit the Stalinist mold. On
the other hand, unlike Hitler, Stalin was not genocidal, and did not
kill Jews as such; indeed, historians acknowledge that right“wing Polish
anti“Semitism disappeared during this period, while for the very
poorest Jews, living standards actually rose.
It is thus towards the Stalinist rather than the Nazi regime that the Vaad ’s original “rescue” attempts were directed. Since traditional Judaism could not exist in the Soviet Union, the Vaad ’s efforts were directed at securing visas for Orthodox Jews to places of safety, especially for the rabbis of the famous yeshivot
and their students. Given the enormous obstacles that existed, it did
fairly well, with Shanghai, America, and Palestine receiving small but
not insignificant numbers.
Nazi Germany was, of course,
another matter. After 1940, the Nazis permitted no exceptions whatever
to their policies of genocide, and refused (except in the rarest of
cases) to allow Jews to emigrate to safety"
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2001/05/the-response-of-orthodox-jewry.
https://www.torahmusings.com/2005/09/kuntres-she-lo-yaalu-ke-homah/
ReplyDeleteכְּסִיל
ReplyDeleteWeissmandel also negotiated with Eichmann, whose testimony you accept with emunah shleimoh.
You think it is is asur to hang Eichmann, because you are closer to Amaleik than you are to the nationalist Jews.
Holocaust
ReplyDeletehttps://www.yhe.center/holocaust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=235&v=95S241ykADQ
ReplyDeleteאימרא נאה' מרבי ישעי' קרליץ 'החזו"א' זיע"א (מובא מתוך הספה"ק ילקוט דעת תורה, פסי' כד עמ' סח)
ReplyDeleteאמר רבנו החזו"א: מי הוא אפיקורס שומר מצוות ("א פרומער אפיקורס") בדורנו? כל מי שטוען כי באשמת גדולי ישראל נרצחו ששה מיליון יהודים בשואה באירופה וכן כל מי שחוגג את
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8Ztz_bSFsI0UG8zNnZ4cHhISDA/view
ReplyDeleteHow accurate is this? Nobody is blaming Gedolim for the holocaust.
ReplyDeleteThere were mistakes made. Frummer apikores is a drummer denying the Torah. Torah has specific korbanos for shoggegot. Hence, denying that Gedolim can make mistakes is denial of the Torah.
A generation when the temple isn't rebuilt is as if the temple was destroyed.
ReplyDeleteAuthor of perfidy Ben hecht, non Jewish wife /kids. Worse than Herzl. Violates 10 commandments, do not bear false witness. He pressured Joel Brand to lie about Weizmann, but brand refused.
ReplyDeleteYet you rely on this guy , and also on Eichmann.
If we mention tzaddikim, Rav teichtal, Rav Kook, Rav glasner etc you just scream "apikores". This is the kind of rubbish produced in eidah. The days of Rav diskin, Rav salant, Rav Frank are long gone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3IGIcK92HU
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ReplyDeleteKanoim, consider the 4th oath, not to delay the redemption, which is what anti Gra Hungarians do.
ReplyDeleteRav weissmandl had friends in England - Oxford university, archbishop, Churchill etc. If he could not influence them, why do you expect anyone else? His allegations against the Zionists are self incriminating.
ReplyDeleteIf Churchill refused to bomb Auschwitz, then Kal vchomer he would refuse to give 10000 trucks to the enemy.
see this https://www.printfriendly.com/p/g/B7izR3
ReplyDeletewhen Weissmandl did this, direct with eichmann, you call him a Tzaddik, and attack the tzionim. Then when Eichmann gives testimony at his trial, you believe every single lie he tells, and use it against the tzionim.
ReplyDeleteHowever, when the tzionim maintain contact with the germans, to save jewish lives, you claim they are collaborators. you are a sick person, you have a mental illness.
whats thsi nonsense, you have already posted this rubbish 10 x, now you are making a pdf of it and posting it under a different name. same garbage content, mr spam,
ReplyDeleteAgain, nonsense.
ReplyDeletea) mordechai was a Tzaddik, but he has no Nevuah that we see in the megillah. Normally, a Navi has to declare his nevua, so where is your prof he was a navi?
b) 3 oaths , the way you express them , were allegedly given on sinai and are stricter than Idolatry and adultery - which cannot be overridden , even by a navi. So how can a navi override these oaths?
c) The oaths - if valid- were violated by the decree of the King, not by Mordechai. It is not Mordechai declaring them to be over, it is the King granting permission for the Jews to bear arms.
It is a strange argument you are making, it shows how unfamiliar you are with the text of the megillah (even if you do read it).
d) This formula of yours does not appear anywhere, not in the Rambam, not in the Shulchan Aruch, and maybe not even in the lehavdil the rantings and ravings of the satmar rebbe.
Satmar says the Moshaich only can rescind the oaths. this is problematic to say the least. Rambam says do not take these aggadot literally and do not make ikkarim of them.
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ReplyDeleteThe transfer agreement was jews who had their assets stripped by the nazis, yemach shmam. The agreement was to send them to EY and then use their money to buy german made goods it was no luxury to have your assets stolen by the germans, and in the end it was a failure, it did not save all of the german jews.. , .
Perdfidy
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ReplyDeletesee above Quote from Nochum Sokolov , Herzl;l Ymachshmom
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ReplyDeleteTamar Yonahwith Rabbi Marvin Antelman RCA Dayan
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ReplyDeleteWeissmandl also was in touch with Eichmann y. Shmo.
ReplyDeleteit is no coincidence that you rely on all the whackiest, weirdest and most pernicious conspiracy theories - since the majority of conspiracy theories blame the Jews and the Zionists for controlling everything. You a a moiser, in that you hate jews but love the nazis, Palestinians, terrorists, iranians etc.
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