Thursday, November 7, 2024

In Trump victory, Netanyahu sees himself as ‘the great winner’

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/06/netanyahu-israel-trump-president-gaza-lebanon-iran/

Mouin Rabbani, a nonresident fellow at Qatar’s Center for Conflict and Humanitarian Studies, called Trump “a wild card,” saying he might back controversial, but increasingly popular, far-right Israeli policies like annexation of Palestinian territory, but could also lose interest in the region.

“The difference between a Trump and Harris administration is that Harris has kind of a principled commitment to Israel, and everything is subordinate to that,” he said. “Whereas for Trump he couldn’t care less about Israel and the Palestinians or anything or anyone else, provided it serves his interests.”

For Netanyahu, who critics have long contended is driven by similar sense of self-interest, Trump’s victory is a personal triumph as well, according to Talshir, the political scientist.

“The orbit of populist leaders that Netanyahu and Trump belong to and lead together,” she said, and are “trying to take liberal democracies to their authoritarian ends.”

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  1. Harris has no commitment to Israel. She has only self-interest, just like Trump.

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    1. Trump is feared by Iran, Russia and the Arabs.
      What he says is he wants an end to war, which is good in a way. But Bibi knows something we don't, that's why he prefers trump

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    2. Trump is feared because he's random and impulsive. All the liberals who think he's in thrall to Putin don't realize that if Putin does something to make him look bad, he'll turn on him too. And Putin knows it.

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    3. Wow so you are supportive of a wild irrational leader?~

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    4. Trump is not feared - he is laughed at because he is easy to manipulate and everyone knows he is desperate for compliments

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  2. KA - Trump is not feared by Russians, Iranians or Arabs
    Putin learned long ago how to flatter him. Arabs learned he loves bribes, Iranians realized a long time ago that he is more dangerous to America than he is to Iran

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    1. Your claim about Harris being the same as Trump as having no moral principles was tried on Biden. It didn't stick because it wasn't true. The only amoral person is Trump - He has no ideology but only self interest, Everyone except for Americans has accepted this reality - especial his VP Vance

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    2. Arabs did Abraham with him.
      Putin only invaded when OBiden were in power.
      Iran, they call America the big Satan, so your supposed claim has little value

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    3. Harris is a bad person, just like Trump but she has a more civilized veneer and has the media shining her like a gemstone to allow you to ignore her major shortcomings.
      And frankly, I'd rather a president with no ideology over one that does. Look how well an ideological prime minister worked out for Canada in the last 9 years.

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    4. Harris is worse.
      She validates the blood libel of genocide against us, then is exposed so is caught out.
      DT is always harping on about trump being a menuval, but Harris being a zonah - oh that's her private practice, none of our concern.

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    5. Wow so your best defense and praise of Trump is "Harris is worse" Just like Clinton and Obama were declared to be worse
      Clinton was a criminal because she used a private internet server and might have caused a security problem, Trump stores top secret documents in a readily accessible bathroom and reveals Israel secrets to the Russian and he is your hero
      What crimes did Harris do that were worse than Trump, She readily associates with antisemites. She took bribes from the Arabs. She failed to control a pandemic? She failed to concede loosing a fair election? She didn't validate the genocide charge. Wow so you know she was a zonah - How?

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    6. KA you conveniently forgot the Iranians attacked a us military base under Trump Where is your evidence that Harris was a zonah other than some clearly phony AI generated pictures? Putin attacking under Biden proves he is afraid of Trump?, calling him big Satan proves that they are afraid ?! The Abraham accords show that Arabs are afraid - How?

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    7. Putin doesn't like trump's unpredictability. He didn't move against the West when trump held rein.
      Abraham accords show some level of respect for trump. Arabs like to do deals and haggle, that's what trump is good at. Trump said that the government should destroy Iran if they assassinate him. They are afraid.
      Harris, I just heard rumours on that topic.
      Big Satan is why any moral judgement made by Iran and repeated by your good self has no value whatsoever.

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    8. That Kamal Harris had an affair with her married boss to land her first big job is well established. Not just some AI generated picture.
      Meanwhile, when Iran attacked the US military base, it was token retaliation for the US assassinating a top IRGC general, something you missed I guess.
      The point is that Trump is unpredictable. He says one thing and then goes and does the opposite. For all Puin knows, he'll say 'Sure you can have Ukraine" and then send a bomber fleet to wipe the Russians from DOnetsk.

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    9. Regarding Putin - you are simply guessing - it could be 100's of things. Russia clearly prefers Trump. You are blindly accepting the Republican line.
      Trump is not good at deals as his business success history shows - more propaganda that you blindly accepted.
      The accords are peace with countries that never fought against Israel, It did nothing to protect and some claim it might have caused the Oct 7 attack by ignoring the Palestinians. In addition the Arabs gave Trump and family large bribes. It is not called respect
      So you admit you are simply accepting the slander about Harris with out actual evidence
      your comment about big Satan is nonsense

      Bottom line you mindlessly accepted Republican propaganda

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    10. Wow, so the relatively inexperienced Jared you can arguably say he is not a great businessman. Now you are trying to sell the fiction that Trump is a lousy businessman - ie before he got into politics he was not good at deals! Can I ask you do you get your information from Democrat pashkevils?

      Abraham accords made 4 peace deals. Nobody is claiming Trump is Moshiach, unless your demon is telling you that.
      Oct 7 - what caused it is the subject of an investigation yet to take place. The factors were a) Biden pressure on israel to allow more work visas for Gazans, who were spying for hamas.
      b) Typical Israeli gaava about their new fence and automated machine guns. c) Groupthink within the military establishment that hamas was "deterred". d) The Hareidi-right wing coalition and their judicial reform, which had become the obsession of Netanyahu, and split the country, with thousands refusing to do miluim. e) the false hareidi notion that Israel does not need more military - when in fact there is a shortage of human resources.
      You a simply want to blame it on Trump again.

      "So you admit " - Yes, I try to admit when i'm mistaken, rather than to remain in denial.

      "Arabs gave Trump and family large bribes" - the measure of bribes in halacha, to a dayan , is not the same as favours from connections. If your son in law meets a heiche fenster, you would be happy for some kind of connection. Rav Hershel Shachter's son married Rav Kamenetsky's granddaughter.. what's the big deal?

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  3. Yes, Harris being worse is a great position. This was an election between a crazy egomaniac and a unqualified closer-communist. There was no good choice, just the candidate less bad than the other.
    And again you missed the point. No one said that Hillary was a criminal for taking home a government computer but that Trump was innocent even though he kept documents he should've returned. People complained because Hillary got a slap on the wrist for endangering national security while Trump got a FBI raid and accusations that he was trying to sell the country out. The same about the sexual crimes. Bill Clinton was a serial rapist and was treated as American royalty while Trump, for doing the same thing, was held up as a symbol of all that's wrong. That's what got people upset.

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    1. So your view is your criminal candidate should be president . BTW what is a closet communist ?, Sounds like your hero is Joe McCarthy.
      Judge a person more severely - not by who they are but what slander I can imagine. Totally rational, that is the basis of antisemitism
      The rest of your comment is a creative denial of the facts. Consistent with your view that what you imagine is more important than reality

      So you claim the election was decided on an illusion - I can agree with that. You think it is great and I disagree

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    2. Regarding Harris
      https://www.factcheck.org/2024/08/posts-mislead-about-harris-romance-with-willie-brown/
      your interpretation does not fit the facts
      Your view of Trump's instability is simply conjecture.

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    3. Garnel your acceptance of slander against Harris doesn't mean it is true and even if all MAGA supporters believe - it still doesn't mean it is true - so either evidence or the claim is just one more lie

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    4. "So your view is your criminal candidate should be president"
      So you reject the American democracy and constitution?

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    5. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kamala-harris-affair-willie-brown/
      I love that they say "While technically still married" as if that makes it okay.

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    6. So it was technically adultery, and for self political gain
      but let's not hold that against her...

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    7. Just like Bill Clinton isn't technically a serial rapist, right?

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    8. According to halacha it was not adultery

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    9. Nor were trump's affairs

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  4. In the past you could get aggravated about someone acting against halacha, and best case was getting some signatures, and removing them from their yeshiva or communal roles.
    But what will happen with trump? Are you going to influence the Hispanics or chassidim that voted for him?

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