Sunday, September 11, 2016

US kids’ clothing store defends ‘anti-Haredi’ return policy

Times of Israel   Jewish owner says customers in a ‘few concentrated areas’ abused cash-back policy, threatened survival of online shop  

On Wednesday, JTA reported that Shan and Toad, a high-end children’s clothing retailer, had a very specific return policy: Customers could return non-sale items for a full refund — except for residents of five communities in New York and New Jersey, all of which have a significant Orthodox population. [...]

But in an e-mail to JTA sent Thursday, Shana Laub, the owner of the online shop, denied allegations that her company’s return policy was in any way discriminatory against Orthodox Jews. [...]

Laub, herself an Orthodox Jew, emphasized that her store accepted returns from all areas, and that residents of these five areas could still return unworn clothes for store credit. She said she implemented the more restrictive return policies because “the survival of the business had been threatened by abuse of its return policy among customers in a few concentrated areas,” she wrote.

She continued: “Those customers would place large orders and return all, or nearly all of the items they had purchased, often in poor condition, and only after a substantial delay.”

According to Laub, a mother of five girls whose LinkedIn page lists her as living in the “Greater Los Angeles” area — and whose blog says the company was originally launched in Jerusalem — these mass orders would deplete her stock and affect her ability to process other orders, which proved destructive for her small business. “If I continued to offer returns to these neighborhoods,” Laub wrote, “my business and my income would be destroyed.” [...]

16 comments:

  1. I can't edit my previous comment yet.
    When did she institute this policy? Her website and business only launched at the end of March or early April. Has she had this policy in place since she started her store? If not, since when?

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  2. My Rosh Yeshiva once ordered for his Yeshiva chairs that came with a lifetime warranty. Eventually, some of the chairs broke, and the Yeshiva maintenance guy wanted to exercise the warranty. The Rosh Yeshiva did not allow him, and said that if they are offering a lifetime warranty, they obviously feel they will not break, and if they did break, they were probably abused, and it would be a chillul Hashem to return them.
    What a beautiful lesson I was taught when I heard this. (most of the Talmidim don't even know this particular story, but the R"Y exemplified his type of behavior often enough that we all got the point)

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  3. All I can say, is that if you can't figure out a way of making money without disparaging your community, you're doing it wrong.
    If the community is taking advantage of your return policies, there are better ways of handling it.

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  4. Sadly, there are Jews who rouse unnecessary hatred through greedy, reprehensible, narrow minded or arrogant behavior and then cry out that they are victims of antisemitism.
    Chazal allowed chillul Shabbos and made takanos to minimize antisemitism and these guys fan the flames of hatred and can't understand when non-Jews (or Jews) push back.

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  5. A couple of years ago a department store here in NYC had the same problem with hasidic shoppers from Wlliamsburg and Boro Park and instituted the same kind of restrictions for those zip codes,can't really blame them,it's not called antisemitism or discrimination but it's called self preservation,what a big CHILLUL HASHEM the so called AM HANIVCHAR is causing all over the world.

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  6. A client of mine has an online business, and showed me his returns for a whole calendar year were 25% lakewood, boro park, and monsey zip codes, despite less than 1% of his sales.s. And most of those were used extensively before returns, as opposed to all his other returns, which were returned within a week, barely, if at all, used.

    2. No bricks and mortar (physical) store in boro park or monsey (and i presume lakewood) issues return credit. Store credit at the most, and only usable when paying full price, not on "sale".

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  7. Everyone knows about the Walmart gemach. It's most active with loan items being borrowed before yomim tovim and summer vacation, and returned thereafter.

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  8. Really? Well, then, suggest a few, why don't you.

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  9. UPS and FED-EX have many buildings red flagged because of certain people's claims they never received packages. Comes Rosh Hashana, not this kind of parnassa should they pray for.

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  10. Do they allow to return after wearing it?

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  11. First off, regardless whether or not I can figure out a better way, I think she should reevaluate her business if she can't make it without disparaging her community.
    Secondly, she could create a return policy that delineate exceptions for these abuses. For example, if it's worn, no refunds.

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  12. haomer dovor beshem haomro. I hear my echo

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  13. I'm sure you have a very nice voice, but don't flatter yourself

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  14. We need to hear more such stories.

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  15. Who was this?
    Would be worthwhile for you to give his name to give him the Kovod he is due and to make it a more meaningful story

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