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A prominent rabbi in the Satmar Jewish community of Kiryas Joel in Orange County plotted to kidnap and murder a man who was resisting a religious divorce from his wife, prosecutors said Wednesday.
Rabbi Aharon Goldberg of Israel, and Shimen Liebowitz, of Monroe, were arrested Tuesday on charges of conspiracy to commit kidnapping and conspiracy to commit murder for hire. In early July, Liebowitz and Goldberg contacted an individual to kidnap the husband and force him to give a get — a religious divorce — to his wife, the feds said.
The individual, who is cooperating with the feds, later learned that they didn’t just want to kidnap the husband — they planned to kill him as well, the feds said.[...]
“Over a period of months,” he said, they “met repeatedly to plan the kidnapping and to pay more than $55,000 to an individual they believed would carry it out.”[...]
Was there a legitimate Beis Din that authorized a beating? If there was, wouldn't they also have been mentioned. If there wasn't, then the get would have been worthless. Delivering a sound beating may have made the vindictive in-laws feel good, but it would not have provided the woman with a get.
ReplyDeleteConsidering the fact that these chushiveh kanoooim were willing to encourage a woman to live in sin, the fact that they were charged with murder isn't a stretch.
מנין שהמחטיא את האדם יותר מן ההורגו? שההורג הורג בעולם הזה ויש לו חלק לעולם הבא, והמחטיא הורגו בעולם הזה ובעולם הבא. שתי אומות קדמו את ישראל בחרב ושתים בעבירה. המצרים והאדומים קדמו בחרב: 'אמר אויב ארדוף אשיג... אריק חרבי' (שמות טו). 'ויאמר אליו אדום לא תעבור בי פן בחרב אצא לקראתך' (במדבר כ). ושתים בעבירה - מואבים ועמונים. על אלה שקדמו בחרב כתיב (דברים כג) 'לא תתעב אדומי', 'לא תתעב מצרי'. אבל אלו שקדמו בעבירה להחטיא את ישראל 'לא יבוא עמוני ומואבי... גם דור עשירי לא יבא להם... עד עולם
Was the (ex) wife arrested? Or is she immune?
ReplyDelete2. Don't need a bet din according to ORA and its 'posek'.
I suppose this solves the problem of get me'usah
ReplyDeleteIt is often said that sarcasm doesn't come across well in the Comments section. But your dry humor is coming in loud and clear. You summed it up in a one-liner. Let's hope Jeremy Stern of ORA is not getting ideas.
ReplyDeleteAnother comment hitting the nail on the head. This post can be perceived as a natural outcome of Rabbi Schachter's teachings.
ReplyDeleteLet's wait to this idiots sing, and we will get to hear the rabbis behind this case
ReplyDeleteAs well as the Heter Mekach taus and is sure as death. She is FREE like Tzaddik kaTAMAR yifrach.
ReplyDelete1) Plan A - Alleged R' Akiva Eiger Koifin al haMitzvos leshachnea es haba'al as ProdFather says, *And he will know* like a 5 Ton Bull.
2) Plan B - For those makpid al Mehadrin, You dismantle the Kidushin meikro so that no reiach shel Eishes Ish remains.
3) Plan C - For the Mehadrin min haMehadrinites, *veim lo sifdeh, Va'Arafto*, make him a head shorter. Acording to ORA's Posek, all three are Kosher. In this particular case, they plotted a double whammy of Kfiye veAliya's neshomo. A smooth transition from a so called Agunah to a Bar Ketolo aka Meis Mitzva R'L', lekayem ma shene'emar Harotzachto vegam yorashto!
If you are willing to eat a cookie bei Kurtza and sing like a Bird, you will fly Free like a Butterfly and Scott Free from the Sting of the Bee.
Lock them ALL up and throw away the key, lema'an yeidu so that *They *should know, ulema'am yishmeu veyerou velo yezidun od.
Watch your language. "Hit" and "nail" are dangerous words, in this context. (Dry humor)
ReplyDelete“At the trial, defense attorney Robert Stahl argued Epstein was a "champion of women's rights" who was "puffing and exaggerating" when he talked to undercover agents.”
ReplyDeleteI watch the whole New York Daily News video on Mendel Epstein. Now, he says that he’s older he does once a year…
Robert Stahl had the right idea for Mendel Epstein’s, but Mendel Epstein, himself at the sentencing hearing, and in his appeal, kept up the tough guy image and kept up that he’s a champion on delivering the goods to his customers. Remorse, regret, admission that he erred --- maybe could’ve reduced the draconian sentencing. I know supporters of Mendel Epstein et al including Rabbi Schachter, Rabbi Ralbag, etc They bemoan only that Mendel Epstein got caught. They need to bemoan Mendel Epstein et al being so defiant to rabbis of Israel. We’re at a time now in Israel, Hark my Beloved Knocks, see my http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/19435
Why are not all players co-conspirators, e.g. those signing any document i.e. RHS, that is required in a legitimate kosher Get?
ReplyDeleteWhy isn't the wife being charged with attempted murder and attempted kidnapping?
ReplyDeleteWhy do you need a legitimate beis din when you can put together a kangaroo beis din with the right "dayanim" who will guatantee the desired preordained outcome. Without the defendant husband even being in the beis din courtroom!
ReplyDeleteIf there was, wouldn't they also have been mentioned. If there wasn't, then the get would have been worthless.
ReplyDeleteSince you mention it, let me repeat here what I heard years ago from R. Aharon Soloveichik. In order for a beis din (at least outside of EY) to function,it has to do so with at least the permission of the authorities of the country. This is based on a gemara in Sanhedrin. A beis din that violates the law of the land and has to sneak around to perform its duties is not a beis din. Period.
This means that, even if a beis din is involved, if it ordered illegal coercion -- illegal meaning under the law of the land -- then it is no longer functioning as a beis din but as a rogue operation, and any get given as a result is a get meuseh. So if some beis din orders someone to be beaten, and that is illegal (which it is), then the whole get is invalid.
(Presumably this would not include legal means of pressure -- such as a cherem or other forms of social pressure. There are many cases in the US that involve a religious group "shunning" someone, and that is perfectly legal. We had such a case where I live, and the pressure eventually caused the man to cave and give a get.)
Who is the woman involved? Did not see in the government complaint of any woman involved in the murder plot
ReplyDelete” Rabbi Aharon Goldberg of Israel, and Shimen Liebowitz, of Monroe, were arrested Tuesday on charges of conspiracy to commit kidnapping and conspiracy to commit murder for hire.”
ReplyDeleteMy suggestion for Goldberg-Liebowitz defense
All their talk to the mafia man was puffery and exaggeration. True they gave him big $. That $ came from the rich wife and her malicious supporters. Either the wife and her supporters are rich like Tamar Epstein, or, they expect to profit from the husband, who will be beaten or dead, by getting the house and his pension. Goldberg-Liebowitz should express remorse, regret, and admit they erred. They should say they were just joking when they spoke to the mafia man. They never did anything of the sort in reality. They promise to make Aliya as soon as the USA will allow them. They promise never to get involved again in violent feminist divorce matters.
(internet 2012):
“Supporters of Tamar Epstein, whose ex-husband, Aharon Friedman, refuses to give her a religious divorce, have been pressuring Friedman's boss, U.S. Rep. Dave Camp, R-Michigan, to fire Friedman. They have protested in front of Camp's office, signed a petition at change.org, started a website (freetamar.org) and in February, bombarded Camp's official congressional Facebook page. But Susan Aranoff, director of Agunah International, which supports Jewish women seeking divorces, said social media has little effect because many husbands still are resistant after all the bullets have been fired."
This is quite interesting. What about a place like the former Soviet Union, where religious observance was outlawed - would a beis din never be able to function? Was it impossible to ever write a legitimate get, that was being done willingly by both parties? I guess that you could say that in such a case, the kiddushin itself wouldn't be valid, and they would have been living as committed partners, but not as a married couple. The real problem would be with those who married prior to the rise of the communist government, but were seeking to divorce after the anti-religious laws were put into affect.
ReplyDeleteIs this another Phantom husband wife dry run sting operation asher lo haya velo nivra, or was this an exercise with real ammunition? Real husband, real wife, hired to kill for real, caught in time before the execution *venitfas al cham?*
ReplyDeleteDina demalchusse dina is only for a country with fair and equal laws for all.
ReplyDeleteThe resolve of the prosecutors in the U.S. is seemingly all that is keeping most Gittin Kosher here. That is, if men thought that the authorities would not enforce the law when it comes to "internal religious matters" and, thus, that not giving a Get on Demand might lead to imminent trauma and death for them, the husbands, then it raises the question if any of the Gittin are willingly given.
ReplyDeleteWhy wouldn't the kiddushin be valid? You don't need a beis din for kiddushin.
ReplyDelete“A prominent rabbi in the Satmar Jewish community of Kiryas Joel in Orange County plotted to kidnap and murder a man who was resisting a religious divorce from his wife, prosecutors said Wednesday.”
ReplyDeleteThis FBI sting is realistic. In the Mendel Epstein et al FBI sting, we had a fake wife and a fake brother seeking Mendel Epstein’s services. Mendel Epstein stupidly got caught because he fell for their lies. In the Goldberg-Liebowitz it seems we have a real mafia man getting real money from Goldberg-Liebowitz. Goldberg-Liebowitz could say their talk was puffery and exaggeration. They cannot explain paying out the money to a mafia man. They got caught because of the lies of the real mafia man. Apparently they dealt with the real mafia man before and trusted him. Yikes! Didn’t Mendel Epstein boast of dealing with the real mafia, as an arbitrator?
Time for Goldberg-Liebowitz to make a deal with the prosecutors, to get some convictions of other guilty parties in the conspiracy. I wonder if Agunah International started to advise their customers to go to Williamsburg, once the FBI shut down Mendel Epstein et al? I’m waiting to hear remorse, regret and admission of error from Greenblatt-Kamenistsky, Schachter-Ralbag, other Mendel Epstein et al supporters etc.
On a technical halachic note, a beis din does not need the permission of the authorities of the country to operate, function or rule.
ReplyDeleteThere were two reasons that had come to mind. The first one is wrong, though.
ReplyDeleteThere is reason to say that a marriage that at time of kiddushin does not have any possibility for get, is not valid. There are times when there is a chiuv get, and they may not live together... Problem is, that even if true, they can move to a different country. Although the USSR did not allow it's citizens to emigrate, it was a law that was liable to change at any moment - as actually happened!
Second reason is mekach taus. Would a man or woman enter a marriage that had no out, even if the spouse did such horrible things that would allow a divorce?
Thank you for your tone of civility.
Technically, you don't need a beis din to give a voluntary get, although in Shulchan Aruch it states that the universal custom is to do it before a beis din. You only need two kosher witnesses.
ReplyDeleteBut to FORCE a get, you need a beis din.
Al shlosha pishei yisrael, Gezel, Arayos, ushfichas domim and no one bats an eye. We need plilim to stop these, and then tey scream Messira. What an alme deshikra. We have Roshe Yeshivos gedoilim matir aroyos, using Epstein for T Epstein moving 5 Ton Steel Bulls of Wall Street, they all got caught, and now they have talmidim machkim as rabo, outdoing them with Retzicha! Ele manhigeichem Yisrael, Kulom menoafim, rodfei shalmoinim. Who in their right mind would send their children to a yeshiva teaching Arayos? Sop funding them, veheim kolim me'eilehem.
ReplyDeleteThat's what happens with a K's heter from K-angaroos. Mi sheino baki betiv gittin vekidushin, lo yehe esek imohen. Anyone caught in these make believe gittin veKidushin should lose their livense and banned from performing such, ever. These are criminals and to be locked up, then throw away the key.
ReplyDelete“Satmar rabbi, woman plotted to kidnap and kill husband who wouldn’t grant her a divorce”
ReplyDeleteI do believe this. Today’s Jerusalem post: http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Police-remove-anti-Israel-protesters-from-NY-Council-debate-against-BDS-467328
“Who do you speak for Mr. Weiss? You don’t represent Satmar. Don’t lie. You don’t even live in New York City. You live in Monsey! Who do you represent? You represent two dozen mentally unstable individuals. That’s all. You are the leader of this mentally unstable cult…Don’t pretend to represent our community…Who made you a rabbi? You represent no one but yourself,” Greenfield berated Weiss.
Surely, Mendel Epstein et al supporters such as Greenblatt-Kamenitsky, Schachter, Ralbag, Agunah International etc are waiting to see what happens before they say anything.
Pacer: “Appellee, the United States of America, moves pursuant to Fed. R. App. P. 26(b) and 3rd Cir. LAR 31.4 for a thirty-day extension of time in which to file its Consolidated Brief for Appellee in the captioned appeals. The United States’ brief is presently due on September 12, 2016. These are consolidated appeals from the judgments of conviction following an eight-week trial. Appellants have submitted a 5,100 page appendix and raised eight separate challenges to their convictions in over 150 pages of briefing.”
I have a personal interest. News on my case in Kings County Supreme Court. Friday, an official told me that the judge saw my 8/31/2016 and 9/6/2016 papers.
When we bypass the test to uphold the Torah ourselves, G-d sees to it Himself, the FBI are just tools of His Hand. They do nothing on their own, although they think they do...
ReplyDeleteAhem. Whoever says the alleged perpetrators ONLY sinned is himself doing nothing but making a mistake. They did sin -- but apparently only by doing what they thought were Mitzvos.
ReplyDeleteCan we not examine their actions in terms of the teaching that performing a Mitzvah leads to the performing of another Mitzvah, while the performance of a transgression leads to a transgression?
The initial plan was to beat the husband to obtain a Get. The planners thought this was a Mitzvah. But as has been demonstrated on this blog in other posts and comments, the Halacha is that such beatings are an Aveirah.
Once the planners were convinced it was permitted -- and possibly even obligatory -- to beat the husband, they were confronted by U.S. laws which made their plan illegal. But, they may have reasoned that if a government outlaws some, or all, of the Torah, is it not proper to keep the Torah despite it being outlawed? Thus, their "Mitzvah" to beat led to their "Mitzvah" to defy the civil law in order to do the "Mitzvah" beating.
"But, wait", they may have thought, "won't the husband report to the authorities that he was beaten? For shame! He is a Moser!"
So, the "Mitzvah" of being Moser Nefesh for the Torah by taking a substantial risk to beat a husband in violation of civil law led them perhaps to want to perform the Mitzvah of following the ruling of the Shulchan Aruch that one can extra-judicially kill to prevent someone from informing on Jews to the non-Jewish authorities. It all may have made perfect sense in their made-up Torah universe. (Furthermore, the conspirators may have been motivated by the teaching not to put a "stumbling block" in front of a man and not to assist in the performance of a transgression. By letting the husband live, they would be causing, or at least complicit in, the husband's "Aveirah" of filing a criminal complaint that could lead to the "innocent" conspirators being "falsely" arrested.)
Thus, we conclude that the subjects of this post were led from one Mitzvah to the next, which in fact was going from one transgression to the next.
Those arrested now have an opportunity to add one more Mitzvah/Aveirah.
They can hire Rabbi Yitzchak Breitowitz to write legal briefs for them "demonstrating" how the defendants had Torah authorities of past generations to rely on.
Why beat him for a get, when an almanah widow is a better status for her?
ReplyDeleteShemo yiboneh Beis haMikdash bimheiro beyomenu. The next thing in, will be to waste away the get piturin rabiners to prevail omerta.
ReplyDeleteThey wanted him dead, so that the Rabbis of the BD should not be investigated. Who are the alleged dayonim of that BD? Arte they KY residents. Would they perform without permission of th the heads of state? What is the website of this private investigator? What does CS stand for?
ReplyDeletehttp://media.wix.com/ugd/e5498d_6bac538ae80f433aae508a1fff0291d1.pdf
ReplyDeleteAllegedly, this is the 'Psak' about this husband (taken from the ORA site: http://www.getora.org/joseph-masri)
The defense lawyer's letter doesn't actually name the confidential informant. It merely refers to him by his alias and trade name, "Joe Levin".
ReplyDelete"Liebowitz asked again whether they could avoid killing the husband, asking “there’s no way to take him overseas?” Levin said that the husband* is *unconscious."
ReplyDeleteHuh? IS?
http://m.theislandnow.com/mobile/great_neck/news/kosher-grocery-espionage-victim/article_3131c45c-b9ef-11e0-ab59-001cc4c03286.html
ReplyDeleteHere is his real name.
How do you know that this is the husband from this case?
ReplyDeleteHe seems to be in the cross hairs of crossfire, Hashem Yishmor. Thus the fruits of Epstein et al, from shochad, to shfichat damim and psulei Gittin and psilei yochsin. R'L'
ReplyDeleteMasri is a syrian (actually egyptian) name. Highly doubt a syrian "convered" to satmar, and or married a satmar girl.
ReplyDeleteBesides, syrians have their own methods of compliance (and they don't get caught.)
Interesting. I always wondered what his real name was. Is he now trying to save himself from jail, by becoming a confidential informant?
ReplyDelete" Levin said that the husband is unconscious."
ReplyDeleteCan you please explain. Was this part of the plan to induce him unconcsious. If in pennsylvania, will those be moving Rabbis on the run? The plot is getting thicker. This is much incomplete info. Who is after the informants life? Shouldn't he get gov protection? Sounds like many more players to this game yet to be discovered. Is this with all those rabbi's blessings. At this rate, the rabbinate will end up as BD's in galut as in Assara galuyot niglu sanhedrin. What is this world coming to?
There are a bunch of Satmer Masries. This is a fact.
ReplyDeleteMakes sense, as they have the same name which is not a common name. Also a letter from a supposed Williamsburg "beis din" where the "dayanim" do not sign. (People claim that this "bd" has begun to do a bit of teshuva.
ReplyDeleteWhere is the husband's name mentioned in the indictment or news articles that you're saying it is the same name?
ReplyDeleteIncidentally, if it is this husband it is quite interesting that Satmar chevra have started using ORA in their gittin disputes.
I didn't quite understand your point about the beis din. Please clarify.
Ksav asher nechtam betabaas hemelech... ein lehoshiv. Now that it turns out seemingly as shoot to kill, and the feds are hot on trail. This singer has put lots of tuchis aufn tish and set it on fire. The texas rangers and the NY rangers and the Californian rangers have a hard time fighting the blaze and many houses are consumed, and lives are at stake. This Get scandal has gone a little bit too far.
ReplyDeleteI did not see his name mentioned in indictments or news articles. I heard his name from Satmer chasidim.
ReplyDeleteShmiel Fried has a long history of his clients using ORA and all other dirty tactics. This supposed beis din was completely under Fried's control, which is/was common knowledge to all those with experience in that system and world.
The guy under whose name that "beis din" is - Chaim Erenthal's father-in-law - has supposedly stopped his funny business and is trying not to do anymore dirty things. That's what some people are claiming; but there is no word on if or how he is trying to atone for his long history of funny business. And funny business is a huge understatement!
i take it back. the document (i wouldnt call it a seruv, it doesnt say seruv, its just states physical and other threats are allowed.)
ReplyDeleteThere is a Rav in KJ and another Rabbi in Monsey, that are mentioned in the court docs
ReplyDeleteWho is Chaim Eventual and what position does his father in law have in Satmar or elsewhere?
ReplyDeleteAt which point did they plan to disclose that there was a Get. Wouldn't the first question be who done it, and why was it kept a secret? Why then altogether a Get as already questioned by one? Dear Mr. Gerald, if you know something, say something. As is, it is an incomplete tcholent kemaachal bnei Drusoei sheochlin vedorsin vetorfin bo bnei odom. At the rate it's going, they will have to add many new wings in the can, maybe even a whole Kiryah named Shimon veLevi Achim klei chummus mecherosehem for bnei odom yoshvei choshech.
ReplyDeleteVehoelokim ino leyodo, called payback time.
ReplyDeleteDid you read the link provided by hamoitzie? Why not? And if you read it, why are you asking self-understood questions?
ReplyDeleteAnyhow, by now ORA has decided to remove their worthless letter against the husband. I will respond for those who may have not read it: Chaim Erenthal wrote a letter on the stationary of "'beis din' orchos mishpat" that anything may be done against Masri. He signed as the safra d'deina or secretary of the "beis din."
Everything else is quite clear.
Why do claim that anyone has a position in Satmer?
I apologize, but I will not be able to address anymore of your questions.
Lol. And now ORA has removed that letter, but just a bit too late! The Feds already have screen shots and other relevant information. The singing - Ralbag style - will soon begin, at a Federal courtroom nearby. Stay tuned!
ReplyDeleteWell, now ORA has deleted that entry! Any clue as to why? I mean, if they were doing the right thing all along, why would they delete it now? What has changed? Will Nat Lewin go to bat for ORA again, or is this smoking gun just one step too far even for him?
ReplyDeleteit is still there
ReplyDeletehttps://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/07d2544d88e8e5bfd213e90f65dd6ff63acc22804bbd820344b9fe4768350b40.jpg
letter is still on ORA's site
ReplyDeletehttps://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/07d2544d88e8e5bfd213e90f65dd6ff63acc22804bbd820344b9fe4768350b40.jpg
Thanks. It started redirecting to their homepage.
ReplyDeleteHad R' Akiva Eiger been around, he would order Chazan haKnesses to bash in their skulls ad sheyomar rotze ani, ich vel shoin zayn gut and disband ORA vehanilvim eilehem! For this coming Rosh haShana, there will be minyanim every half hour on the hour at Rikers chad gadya of these rabiners melech sedoimis vetalmidehoin vesalmidei talmidehoin vechol man deoiskin bishchitut bemaklos ubeProdim. They really think kvar hitir haretzua, little do they know that this Epstein virus Sting is only aschalta deGeule. They will be taken by the busloads. venireh ma yihyu chalomoisov. The feds already know their way well around in the neighborhood, and let them know who is tattele.
ReplyDeleteThey are going to set up a hotline lehatsil es ho'oshuk midei oishkov, if you see something funny, say something and will take it seriously mr. Big Guy. Let them go to work and make an honest living. BTW, from whence do they have these illegal guns and illegal permits, huh?
In Scribd of the Defense, it also states that the intended victim is already half dead. How so? You yet haven't answered any of these questions, don't understand why. I assume you are keeping omerta.
ReplyDeletePlease refresh. Are they so called or Dayonim mumchim?
ReplyDeleteTeshuva, or afraid of the feds or awaiting additional $$$ ?
ReplyDeletePacer Leibowitz, Shimen is extensive. Samples:
ReplyDelete16-2.pdf US ATTORNEY:
“Subsequently, on September 6, 2016, the defendant and Goldberg again met with the CS. During that meeting, the defendant and Goldberg paid the CS an additional $16,000. The CS led the defendant and Goldberg to believe that the CS had captured the Intended Victim, had tortured the Intended Victim in order to force him to provide a get, and that the Intended Victim had so far refused to do so.”
Pacer Leibowitz. 9/6/2016 conversation:
“Joe says “he [ ] is “crazy, stubborn, evil…” Joe tells the Rabbi and Shimon to look
at his fingers. Joe explains that “he [ ] is not giving a Get, and he [ ] is half
dead already. Get he [ ] is not giving. I’ve never seen such a thing in my life; I’ve
never seen such a thing, Rabbi.” Joe continues “he is broken up to pieces, he cannot walk on his feet; he will not be able to use his legs anymore. He will not be able to walks on his legs in his life.” Joe repeats “there is no Get.” The Rabbi says “He most not leave your control.” Joe says “you guys don’t know.” Joe tells Shimon that Joe captured him last night. “Your people don’t know. We got him last night, and from last night, 24 hours already.” Joe says “he [ ] says he is ready to die and not to give a Get.” The Rabbi asks if he [ ] explained his reasoning. Joe says he [ ] is not saying a word. The Rabbi asks “even when he’s beaten up? Even when he gets beaten up he doesn’t answer? He [ says kill me but no Get.” Joe reiterates that there is no Get….
Shimon and the Rabbi speak in Yiddish. Joe says “I’ll show him a picture of his dead
body.” Shimon says in English the “his wife, should be able to get married again, that’s the whole goal.” Joe asks “if I take a video from the dead body?” Shimon says” there is going to be a video and you’re going to give it to around the world.” Joe says “no no, I cannot think straight right now, sorry.” “
Interesting: Shimon says in English the “his wife, should be able to get married again, that’s the whole goal.”
Yikes ! The whole goal is for the angry wife to do better, like Tamar marrying her boyfriend. Terrible!
Why do these women feel they can remarry? We live in a man’s world. Men could easily remarry if they’re not choosy---but women??? Once I got word that Susan accepted the get before witnesses in Ralbag’s Brooklyn court on 2/15/1993 I went to the Kotel and prayed that God send me, my bashert. I had some 21 dates before I married Yemima 5/9/1993. I say, it’s a man’s world, enjoy.
They removed it again.
ReplyDeletety. Now I get it. And then........?
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