Sounds like Meir Kin wants custodial rights ruled upon by a beis din rather than by arkaos (secular court) that his wife utilized, and the Get is available to her once she agrees to abide by a beis din ruling rather than secular court.
This is her 2nd divorce her 1st husband she claimed he was beating the kids and had him arrested on sheva ashur btamuz!!! in front of the kids, end of the story the son went to live with the father full time from day one. She is not to be believed
Excuse me, but if the husband was beating his wife on Shiva Asar b'Tamuz then she should be calling the police that same day..!!! and if he is beating her in front of the kids then it is HIS fault that she had to call the police in front of the kids.
Every husband being harassed by his wife who is demanding more than she is halachicly entitled to and/or if the wife is taking him to secular court instead of beis din for custody or marital assets/money seperation, then he should deposit a conditional Get that she can retrieve once she undoes her unhalachic damage to him, repays what she stole through secular court and/or gives him the custody rights he is entitled to via halacha and beis din that she denied him via secular court, and he -- like the wise Meir Kin -- should get a Heter Meah Rabbonim and remarry while his first wife takes her time.
Mazal Tov Meir Kin on your new marriage! May you build a bayis neeman b'yisroel!
Here is the update from Daat Torah on the link provided http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2012/05/problematic-seruv-of-meir-kin.html
“Update: Unfortunately both Rav Yitzhak Peretz, head of the Rabbinut Rabbinic courts, and Rav Shlomo Amar, chief Rabbi of Israel, say that this particular Beit Din, and the Rabbanim that run it, are not qualified to judge Gittin nor are they recognized by Rabbinute. A Get that is not universally recognized is pointless, which is what this discussion is all about.
IF the State of Israel will consider the children Mamzerim if she remarries using this Get, surely the majority of Chareidim, at least within Israel, will as well. Which puts us in no better a position that with a Get Meusah.”
The Beis Din requires that Lonna accept their financial and custody ruling in order to receive her Get. However even if she gave up her life savings and custody of her child, she would still not have a Get accepted by the Rabbinut or by most religious Jews. This non-accepted Beis Din is the only way that Meir is willing to use. He won’t even use the one that issued him his first Get.
There is a reason why the Rabbinut won’t accept the Gittin from this Beis Din. It is the same reason why this is the ONLY Beis Din that Meir agrees to use, and why this is the ONLY Beis Din that Lonna refuses to appear before. And that is because this Beis Din is notorious for having a reputation of being corrupt and enabling men to extort their ex-wives K’neged Halachah.
A man can be a competent Talmid Chacham and still be dishonest and corrupt. This particular Talmid Chacham has called the heads of every other Beis Din in America to be Rashoim. When you ask him if there is any other Beis Din that he would allow to take over the case for him, as Lonna refuses to accept him, he says no. His is the ONLY honest Beis Din in America, and every other Beis Din out there has been bought off.
There are two sides here, and they are the following. Either: 1) Every Beis Din in America is corrupt and their Gittin should not be relied upon. 2) This one Beis Din is corrupt, and its Gittin should not be relied upon.
We know what the Rabbunit holds, and indeed, it’s hard to imagine how they could possibly hold otherwise. Is there anyone here who would trust a Get from this Beis Din?
Both sides have websites, including links to supporting documents. Once you carefully read all of the available information and identify the facts which they agree on, there is no longer two "legitimate" sides to the story. There's only one.
Pay attention in this video to her twitches when she mentions, with feigned nonchalance, that she simply listened to her lawyer and withdrew her first divorce claim, and also when she refers to having kids from a previous marriage that ended in divorce.
Something is very fishy with this woman. She's clearly a schemer (great mida for succeeding in slick real estate business!).
Here's some very interesting info from the blog link provided by "Fax":
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Lets look at who Lonna Kin Ralbag really is. This is a woman who filed for Divorce in NY SupremeCourt in 2004, litigated extensively for 2 years,costing Meir alone over $100,000 in Legal fees and then dismissed the matter. SEE THIS LINK WHICH PUBLISHED A LETTER FROM RESPECTED RABBIS PROHIBITING USING THE CIVIL COURTS WHICH LONNA KIN RALBAG USED IMMEDIATELY: http://www.scribd.com/doc/35865501/Kanievski-Shteinman-Karelitz-Shterbuch-Against-ARKOOS also
http://www.scribd.com/doc/61778392/Rabbi-Shternbuch-Allowing-GET-to-DEPOSIT This is also a woman who sought action simultaneously in the NY Family Court and obtained a Gag-Order to legally prevent him from speaking the truth before any Bais Din, where orthodox Jews are supposed to arbitrate their Divorce. (please see this link where you will find a thorough history and material evidence http://lukeford.net/blog/?cat=17550 ) So while she claims that she wants to go to Bais Din, she continues to make a Din-Torah impossible by virtue of perpetuating the Gag-Order. What does she have to hide from the Rabbis with this Gag-Order? After Lonna Kin Ralbag dismissed her NyDivorce petition, Meir moved to California and filed for a "status only" Divorce, which means that he just wanted a "paper Divorce' with no monetary settlement. Such a Divorce could be granted in 1 day, however she chose to contest it and dragged it out for over 1 year. When she contested the action, she asked for Annulment rather than divorce -- this,despite the fact that she herself originally filed for Divorce in Ny and NOT anullment. At the conclusion of another lengthy trial in La Superior Court, her wish was granted and the Judge ruled for Anullment. She then appealed the decision but has lost the Appeal!! In the midst of all this,since a Din-Torah was impossible because of the Gag -Order, Meir agreed to enter mediation in the Summer of 2009. 7 months into the process, the mediator acknowleges that Meir has offered a number of significant concessions, while Lonna remains obstinate in her aggressive stance. In fact, she has escalated the aggression by enlisting Mr Allan (Shlomo) Phillipson of Monsey, Ny, to make threats to Meir in recorded phone conversations and email. (AN AUDIO LINK OF THIS THREAT IS EMBEDDED BELOW) Additionally she has used her political muscle of her cousin aryeh ralbag to have the RCC Bais Din defame Meir Kin by falsely listing him as a recalcitrant husband after he left her a GET at a Bais Din in Monsey, Ny. see http//rabbiniccorruptionatrcc.blogspot.com/
Here's a little bit more intriguing info, gleaned from the "Rabbinic Corruption" blog:
"(Re. the campaign from Jeremy Stern from ORA to get the Israeli rabbanut to issue condemnations of Meir Kin's BD),none of these letters contain the signatures of the chief rabbis themselves but instead contain the signatures of their secretaries or other assistants. Secondly, these letters don’t offer any proof that Rabbi Gestetner or Rabbi Abraham are incompetent or have done anything to invalidate their Gittin.
"(...) A letter from Yechiel Tauber after the Seiruv was issued against Gershon Bess . Why was this letter against Rabbi Abraham produced now? This letter states that Rabbi Abraham is senile. Does this mean that before his senility his Gittin were kosher? What about Rav Elyashiv and Rabbi Wosner from Israel who are approaching 100 years old, are we to consider them senile and their rulings invalid?
"Why does Herschel Schachter, Gershon Bess, Avrohom Union, Nochum Sauer, Jeremy Stern from ORA, defame and harrass Meir Kin directly and not his Bais Din? He is just following what his Rabbis are advising him! Doesn't every person have a right to choose his own Rabbi?
"Nobody has shown any proof why the Get that Meir Kin had written on behalf of Lonna kin is not kosher. Additionally nobody has proven why the two Bais Dins in Monsey are not acceptable as a valid Bais Din. Instead you only hear the rhetoric of “nobody regards them as acceptable”. According to Torah law this is not the way you disqualify another Bais Din. No letters issued by anybody can invalidate another person or Bais Din when not substantiated with solid proof. You must show some sort of evidence to qualify your claims!
"(...) Time will show that Rabbi Abraham from Kedushas Levi and Rabbi Gestetner from Shaar Hamishpot who both do not take monies for a Din Torah are being opposed by “the multitudes” only because of their staunch stance for the emes in Din despite the common tendencies to pander to the feminist movement, and their refusal to take bribes , which has worried the other Bais Dins in America that they might lose potential business, as men who seek true Din in Divorce matters will arbitrate in their Monsey Bais Dins."
This moseres brags that "she was awarded custody in (civil) court".
If she likes archaos so much, then she should love the US Constitution that does not allow a civil court to order a GET. Lonna has no basis in Torah law or in civil law to demand a GET, or to claim that she is a "victim" of Meir.
It's utterly hypocritical for any Jewish woman in archaos to claim she is an "agunah" and a "victim". According to Choshen Mishpat 26 her husband is the true victim, and such a woman should be put in cherem.
She withdrew, which is all that is required by the Sh"A. Just because she filed does not give him a heter to file once she withdraws.
Once again we are seeing that folks like Emes L'Yaakov and CV have two Torahs. One for men(re:Friedman and Weiss) who are allowed to run to civil courts k'neged halakha and face no consequences and one for women who are forbidden to step foot in civil court(unless it is Schlessinger and the husband is Lubavitch) under any circumstances and doing so loses her all her rights.
yy - Why oh why did you only read the blogs from one side and not the other? That is the surest way to reach a foolish decision that is K’neged Halachah. Try to at least pretend to be honest and read both sides.
EVERYONE knows the reason why the Rabbinut won’t accept the Gittin from this Beis Din. It is the same reason why this is the ONLY Beis Din that Meir agrees to use, and why this is the ONLY Beis Din that Lonna refuses to appear before. These THREE questions have ONE answer, and EVERYONE knows what it is. This Beis Din is notorious for having a reputation of being corrupt and enabling men to extort their ex-wives K’neged Halachah.
When a so-called frum Jew starts using a mafia hit man, you don't organize protests outside the mafia hit man's house. This Beis Din is beyond embarrassment, and they accuse every other Beis Din not associated with them to be corrupt idiots out to destroy Torah. Many Rabbanim who were initially impressed with some of the Halachic writings of this Beis Din have subsequently spoken out against them for their obvious dishonesty and corruption, let alone their lacking the middos found amount Talmidei Chachamim.
A man has gotten married while keeping his wife an Agunah. He refuses to let her free until he gets half a million dollars and full custody of their 12-year-old son. The Get he's offering is not accepted by the Rabbinut or most of other Batei Dinim, so even if she receives it she'd still be an Agunah.
I dare you to name a single respected Rav who is willing to publicly defend this Rasha. There is a legitimate Halachic Machlokes on how much pressure can and should be applied to Meir Kin, and this blog in particular is very hesitant to use public pressure. That his actions are against Halachah is beyond debate. Read both sides and you'll see for yourself.
Fax what do you mean by corrupt? What has he done that is against halacha? What has she done that is against halacha?
I normally would have blocked this latest comment since you are referring to someone as a rasha without producing any evidence that poskim have decreed him to be such. Likewise I did block a comment that referred to her in similar terms.
Just to clear, you want me to find a Posek who says Meir is a Rasha before calling him one? I take it you won't accept private conversations, so I'll have to search the web for public pronouncements. I'll get back to you. I believe my statement still stands, and I assure you that you won't find a respected Rav who is willing to defend his behavior. You certainly won't.
The famous story of Rabbi Akiva Eiger reminds us that there are two ways to end a marriage. Even in a case where Rabbi Akiva Eiger was not able to Halachically coerce a man to give his wife a Get, he was able to ask Shamayim for a more effective way of freeing his wife. As we all know, Shamayim is able to do many things which it is assur for man to consider.
I see you're upset. You've got a lot invested in believing that Meir is a Rasha. And maybe he is. There are some ppl here who are just as passionate as you in labeling the other side as rashaim. I'm not one of them.
I will admit, however, that I'm a bit jaded about the ascendant momentum of the "aguna" screamers, and the general feminist take over of Orthodox Jewish priorities. I've learned first, second and third hand how hell-bent, demonizing and just simply agenda driven (non-halachically committed), claims of aguna can be. And then there is the "there's always two sides" issue - which, after just a little research, immediately made it clear to me that it is not as pashut as you and that video made it seem.
Please note: I TOO WAS INITIALLY AGHAST THAT A MAN WHO'S WIFE IS STILL HALACHICALLY MARRIED TO HIM AND WANTS A DIVORCE WOULD MARRY ANOTHER. My first instinct was to assume she wasn't Jewish, or definitely not Orthodox. Once I realized that he did get a heter (as much as you might question its validity) and did get an Orthodox rav to be mesader kedushin, and there were upstanding members of an Orthodox community attending - that this is not a black and white case.
Then there was this video interview. It was so far from any kind of objective journalism! Conspicuously missing was any questioning of her about why she got custody, what kind of a father he was /is, why she divorced beforehand, what exactly was going on when she initiated and then withdrew divorce claims (sounds quite scheming), and what EXACTLY are his conditions. I.e. is he simply asking to be paid and extortion fee, or perhaps he has a basis for this claim, and believes it's about claiming damages that his hell-bent wife unhalachically caused him?
Fax, you're too certain in your labeling and demonizing to be believed. That you immediately wax judgmental of me only adds to my suspicions. For the record, I DID read the blogs from both sides. The one's from his side seem to me much more compelling.
I'd be glad to hear your point by point rebuttal to the points made in the pieces I presented.
Sorry DT, but you're becoming quite inconsistent here.
You just allowed a torrent of vicious lies and slander from an ORA troll, including calling a respected Chareidi Rav a "rasha".
"Likewise I did block a comment" - Yes you did block my comment from before Shabbos using a similar term against a woman in archaos. By her own admission she was mosering her husband in archaos - is that not enough evidence? Please review Choshen Mishpat 26.
BUT there's NO likewise here since you in fact allowed the slander against the Chareidi Rav!
Does a GET require a Beis Din or can a husband hire a Sofer to write a GET and have it delivered to his wife without any involvement of a Beis Din and the GET is still valid?
It requires a beith din, and the get will be recognised according to the beith din who issued it. If the beith din is not recognised, the get is not recognised.
Fax, not everyone who violates Halachah is a Rashah. You can condemn a man and his actions without calling him a Rashah. You wouldn't want to labelled a loose canon who goes over the top with his attacks.
Lonna kin went to arko"oys first. She withdrew her lawsuit not because of the get issue which she totally lied about but for other reasons which could have resulted in her losing custody. She never repaid Meir for his legal fees. So she still has the din of being in arko"oys. Meir then went and filed for divorce in CA but did not ask for any relief just to register the divorce. This is not arko"oys and is equivalent to registering a house or a marriage. So claims that Meir is now the one in arko"oys are total lies.
EVERYBODY STATES THAT RABBI ABRAHAM AND RABBI GESTETNER ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE BAIS DINS BUT NO ONE STATES A REASON? DO THEY EAT TREIF MEAT? DO THEY DRIVE A CAR ON SHABBOS? DOVID HAMELECH ALSO HAD ENEMIES, DID THAT MAKE HIM UNFIT TO BE THE GRANDFATHER OF THE MOSHIACH? WHY IS IT THAT ORA ACCEPTS THE GITTIN OF RABBI RALBAG, YET MANY WONT EAT FROM THE HASHGOCHO OF TRIANGLE-K OR HEBREW NATIONAL THAT HE CERTIFIES? IF YOU CAN'T TRUST HIS HASHGOCHO, HOW CAN YOU TRUST HIS GITTIN?
It needs to be asked also of the Israeli rabbanut: Why does the chareidi public not protest when a chareidi woman goes to the rabbanut to force a divorce?
Rabbi Avrohom Rubin alleges that Ralbag who is a cousin of Lonna Kin was involved in his beating. that belsky and ralbag are not in cheder with mendel epstein is beyond comprehension.
Shmuel everone states that Rabbis gestetner and Abraham are corrupt because kol haposel bemumo posel. They charge more than their schar beteilo use peshoro when it is clearcut who the din is with, ignore the issur of arko"oys and like solomon herbst are more than willing to write gittei meuseh for a fee.
Rabbi Avrohom Rubin alleges that Ralbag who is a cousin of Lonna Kin was involved in his beating. that belsky and ralbag are not in cheder with mendel epstein is beyond comprehension.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ORA AND MENDEL EPSTEIN/ WOLMARK IS THAT THE LATTER USES BRUTE FORCE TO EXTORT A GET AND THE FORMER USES PUBLIC HUMILIATION TACTICS. IF ONE ANALYZES WHAT TRANSPIRED HERE, THEY WOULD NOTICE THAT MEIR KIN WAS SHAFTED BY THE FEMINIST PROPAGANDA MACHINE. SHE DISMISSED HER DIVORCE IN NY SUPREME COURT AS HE WAS ABOUT TO PRESENT EVIDENCE ON COMPUTERS THAT BOTH SHE AND HER DAUGHTER WERE VIEWING PORNOGRAPHY AND ALLOWING HER OLDER DAUGHTER TO BE CONTACTED BY A SEX-PREDATOR. WHY DO YOU THINK SHE OBTAINED A GAG-ORDER TO PROHIBIT HIM FROM SHOWING THE PROOF TO ANY BAIS DIN? WHY WOULD A WOMAN WANTING A GET DISMISS HER OWN DIVORCE PETITION? THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN MISLED BY THESE EVIL PEOPLE AND HAVE SHED THE BLOOD OF AN INNOCENT MAN!!!!!!!!
LONNA KIN WITHDREW HER DIVORCE PETITION BECAUSE MEIR HAD FOUND EVIDENCE ON THE HOME COMPUTERS VERIFYING HIS CLAIMS THAT SHE AND HER DAUGHTER WERE VIEWING PORNOGRAPHY. SHE WITHDREW HER PETITION FOR DIVORCE WITH THE ADVICE OF HER FRUM ATTORNEY DANIEL SCHWARTZ WHO ON FB IS CALLING MEIR A LOWLIFE WHILE HE GAVE HER BAD ADVICE TO DISMISS THE DIVORCE. IT WAS HER MANIPULATING HER CASE AS SHE SAW FIT THAT LED TO HER DELAY OF RECEIVING A GET. SHE DOESNT TALK ABOUT HER GAG ORDER AGAINST HIM, BUT REST ASSURED IF A MAN IS NOT ALLOWED TO EXPRESS HIMSELF FREELY IN ANY BAIS DIN, THEN WHO IS THE REAL EXTORTIONIST HERE????????????????????
TO FAX ABOVE: MEIR SUMMONED HER TO RABBI GOBIOFF BAIS DIN AND SHE DIDNT ATTEND. HE ALSO SUMMONED HER TO RABBI TEICHMANS BAIS DIN AND ONCE AGAIN DID NOT COME? SO STOP THIS BALONEY THAT HE ONLY CHOOSES CORRUPT BAIS DINS!!!
Sounds like Meir Kin wants custodial rights ruled upon by a beis din rather than by arkaos (secular court) that his wife utilized, and the Get is available to her once she agrees to abide by a beis din ruling rather than secular court.
ReplyDeleteThis is her 2nd divorce her 1st husband she claimed he was beating the kids and had him arrested on sheva ashur btamuz!!! in front of the kids, end of the story the son went to live with the father full time from day one. She is not to be believed
ReplyDeleteExcuse me, but if the husband was beating his wife on Shiva Asar b'Tamuz then she should be calling the police that same day..!!! and if he is beating her in front of the kids then it is HIS fault that she had to call the police in front of the kids.
DeleteEvery husband being harassed by his wife who is demanding more than she is halachicly entitled to and/or if the wife is taking him to secular court instead of beis din for custody or marital assets/money seperation, then he should deposit a conditional Get that she can retrieve once she undoes her unhalachic damage to him, repays what she stole through secular court and/or gives him the custody rights he is entitled to via halacha and beis din that she denied him via secular court, and he -- like the wise Meir Kin -- should get a Heter Meah Rabbonim and remarry while his first wife takes her time.
ReplyDeleteMazal Tov Meir Kin on your new marriage! May you build a bayis neeman b'yisroel!
I don't know the details, but at this point have my doubts because of all the false aguna cases out there. Feminism surely ruined the world.
ReplyDeleteHere is the update from Daat Torah on the link provided http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2012/05/problematic-seruv-of-meir-kin.html
ReplyDelete“Update: Unfortunately both Rav Yitzhak Peretz, head of the Rabbinut Rabbinic courts, and Rav Shlomo Amar, chief Rabbi of Israel, say that this particular Beit Din, and the Rabbanim that run it, are not qualified to judge Gittin nor are they recognized by Rabbinute. A Get that is not universally recognized is pointless, which is what this discussion is all about.
IF the State of Israel will consider the children Mamzerim if she remarries using this Get, surely the majority of Chareidim, at least within Israel, will as well. Which puts us in no better a position that with a Get Meusah.”
The Beis Din requires that Lonna accept their financial and custody ruling in order to receive her Get. However even if she gave up her life savings and custody of her child, she would still not have a Get accepted by the Rabbinut or by most religious Jews. This non-accepted Beis Din is the only way that Meir is willing to use. He won’t even use the one that issued him his first Get.
There is a reason why the Rabbinut won’t accept the Gittin from this Beis Din. It is the same reason why this is the ONLY Beis Din that Meir agrees to use, and why this is the ONLY Beis Din that Lonna refuses to appear before. And that is because this Beis Din is notorious for having a reputation of being corrupt and enabling men to extort their ex-wives K’neged Halachah.
A man can be a competent Talmid Chacham and still be dishonest and corrupt. This particular Talmid Chacham has called the heads of every other Beis Din in America to be Rashoim. When you ask him if there is any other Beis Din that he would allow to take over the case for him, as Lonna refuses to accept him, he says no. His is the ONLY honest Beis Din in America, and every other Beis Din out there has been bought off.
ReplyDeleteThere are two sides here, and they are the following. Either:
1) Every Beis Din in America is corrupt and their Gittin should not be relied upon.
2) This one Beis Din is corrupt, and its Gittin should not be relied upon.
We know what the Rabbunit holds, and indeed, it’s hard to imagine how they could possibly hold otherwise. Is there anyone here who would trust a Get from this Beis Din?
Both sides have websites, including links to supporting documents. Once you carefully read all of the available information and identify the facts which they agree on, there is no longer two "legitimate" sides to the story. There's only one.
ReplyDeletehttp://lonnakin.blogspot.com/2009/06/lonna-kin-ralbag-is-phony-agunah.html
http://www.freelonna.org/#!facts/c19i6
Pay attention in this video to her twitches when she mentions, with feigned nonchalance, that she simply listened to her lawyer and withdrew her first divorce claim, and also when she refers to having kids from a previous marriage that ended in divorce.
ReplyDeleteSomething is very fishy with this woman. She's clearly a schemer (great mida for succeeding in slick real estate business!).
Here's some very interesting info from the blog link provided by "Fax":
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Lets look at who Lonna Kin Ralbag really is. This is a woman who filed for Divorce in NY SupremeCourt in 2004, litigated extensively for 2 years,costing Meir alone over $100,000 in Legal fees and then dismissed the matter. SEE THIS LINK WHICH PUBLISHED A LETTER FROM RESPECTED RABBIS PROHIBITING USING THE CIVIL COURTS WHICH LONNA KIN RALBAG USED IMMEDIATELY:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/35865501/Kanievski-Shteinman-Karelitz-Shterbuch-Against-ARKOOS also
http://www.scribd.com/doc/61778392/Rabbi-Shternbuch-Allowing-GET-to-DEPOSIT
This is also a woman who sought action simultaneously in the NY Family Court and obtained a Gag-Order to legally prevent him from speaking the truth before any Bais Din, where orthodox Jews are supposed to arbitrate their Divorce. (please see this link where you will find a thorough history and material evidence http://lukeford.net/blog/?cat=17550 ) So while she claims that she wants to go to Bais Din, she continues to make a Din-Torah impossible by virtue of perpetuating the Gag-Order. What does she have to hide from the Rabbis with this Gag-Order?
After Lonna Kin Ralbag dismissed her NyDivorce petition, Meir moved to California and filed for a "status only" Divorce, which means that he just wanted a "paper Divorce' with no monetary settlement. Such a Divorce could be granted in 1 day, however she chose to contest it and dragged it out for over 1 year.
When she contested the action, she asked for Annulment rather than divorce -- this,despite the fact that she herself originally filed for Divorce in Ny and NOT anullment. At the conclusion of another lengthy trial in La Superior Court, her wish was granted and the Judge ruled for Anullment. She then appealed the decision but has lost the Appeal!! In the midst of all this,since a Din-Torah was impossible because of the Gag -Order, Meir agreed to enter mediation in the Summer of 2009. 7 months into the process, the mediator acknowleges that Meir has offered a number of significant concessions, while Lonna remains obstinate in her aggressive stance. In fact, she has escalated the aggression by enlisting Mr Allan (Shlomo) Phillipson of Monsey, Ny, to make threats to Meir in recorded phone conversations and email. (AN AUDIO LINK OF THIS THREAT IS EMBEDDED BELOW) Additionally she has used her political muscle of her cousin aryeh ralbag to have the RCC Bais Din defame Meir Kin by falsely listing him as a recalcitrant husband after he left her a GET at a Bais Din in Monsey, Ny. see http//rabbiniccorruptionatrcc.blogspot.com/
Here's a little bit more intriguing info, gleaned from the "Rabbinic Corruption" blog:
ReplyDelete"(Re. the campaign from Jeremy Stern from ORA to get the Israeli rabbanut to issue condemnations of Meir Kin's BD),none of these letters contain the signatures of the chief rabbis themselves but instead contain the signatures of their secretaries or other assistants. Secondly, these letters don’t offer any proof that Rabbi Gestetner or Rabbi Abraham are incompetent or have done anything to invalidate their Gittin.
"(...) A letter from Yechiel Tauber after the Seiruv was issued against Gershon Bess . Why was this letter against Rabbi Abraham produced now? This letter states that Rabbi Abraham is senile. Does this mean that before his senility his Gittin were kosher? What about Rav Elyashiv and Rabbi Wosner from Israel who are approaching 100 years old, are we to consider them senile and their rulings invalid?
"Why does Herschel Schachter, Gershon Bess, Avrohom Union, Nochum Sauer, Jeremy Stern from ORA, defame and harrass Meir Kin directly and not his Bais Din? He is just following what his Rabbis are advising him! Doesn't every person have a right to choose his own Rabbi?
"Nobody has shown any proof why the Get that Meir Kin had written on behalf of Lonna kin is not kosher. Additionally nobody has proven why the two Bais Dins in Monsey are not acceptable as a valid Bais Din. Instead you only hear the rhetoric of “nobody regards them as acceptable”. According to Torah law this is not the way you disqualify another Bais Din. No letters issued by anybody can invalidate another person or Bais Din when not substantiated with solid proof. You must show some sort of evidence to qualify your claims!
"(...) Time will show that Rabbi Abraham from Kedushas Levi and Rabbi Gestetner from Shaar Hamishpot who both do not take monies for a Din Torah are being opposed by “the multitudes” only because of their staunch stance for the emes in Din despite the common tendencies to pander to the feminist movement, and their refusal to take bribes , which has worried the other Bais Dins in America that they might lose potential business, as men who seek true Din in Divorce matters will arbitrate in their Monsey Bais Dins."
This moseres brags that "she was awarded custody in (civil) court".
ReplyDeleteIf she likes archaos so much, then she should love the US Constitution that does not allow a civil court to order a GET. Lonna has no basis in Torah law or in civil law to demand a GET, or to claim that she is a "victim" of Meir.
It's utterly hypocritical for any Jewish woman in archaos to claim she is an "agunah" and a "victim". According to Choshen Mishpat 26 her husband is the true victim, and such a woman should be put in cherem.
Emes, Meir was the one who brought the case in civil court.
Delete@(Blatantly False) Fax - You can try to spew your filthy lies all over this blog, but they are easily refuted.
DeleteNY State Court records, accessible online, clearly show "Kin, Lonna" as the Plaintiff in a Contested Matrimonial case in Rockland Civil Supreme Court.
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webcivil/FCASSearch
Lonna first initiated a civil case. Then she withdrew it and he filed it. But she initiated a civil case first. She admits as much on the video.
DeleteShe withdrew, which is all that is required by the Sh"A. Just because she filed does not give him a heter to file once she withdraws.
DeleteOnce again we are seeing that folks like Emes L'Yaakov and CV have two Torahs. One for men(re:Friedman and Weiss) who are allowed to run to civil courts k'neged halakha and face no consequences and one for women who are forbidden to step foot in civil court(unless it is Schlessinger and the husband is Lubavitch) under any circumstances and doing so loses her all her rights.
yy - Why oh why did you only read the blogs from one side and not the other? That is the surest way to reach a foolish decision that is K’neged Halachah. Try to at least pretend to be honest and read both sides.
ReplyDeleteEVERYONE knows the reason why the Rabbinut won’t accept the Gittin from this Beis Din. It is the same reason why this is the ONLY Beis Din that Meir agrees to use, and why this is the ONLY Beis Din that Lonna refuses to appear before. These THREE questions have ONE answer, and EVERYONE knows what it is. This Beis Din is notorious for having a reputation of being corrupt and enabling men to extort their ex-wives K’neged Halachah.
When a so-called frum Jew starts using a mafia hit man, you don't organize protests outside the mafia hit man's house. This Beis Din is beyond embarrassment, and they accuse every other Beis Din not associated with them to be corrupt idiots out to destroy Torah. Many Rabbanim who were initially impressed with some of the Halachic writings of this Beis Din have subsequently spoken out against them for their obvious dishonesty and corruption, let alone their lacking the middos found amount Talmidei Chachamim.
A man has gotten married while keeping his wife an Agunah. He refuses to let her free until he gets half a million dollars and full custody of their 12-year-old son. The Get he's offering is not accepted by the Rabbinut or most of other Batei Dinim, so even if she receives it she'd still be an Agunah.
I dare you to name a single respected Rav who is willing to publicly defend this Rasha. There is a legitimate Halachic Machlokes on how much pressure can and should be applied to Meir Kin, and this blog in particular is very hesitant to use public pressure. That his actions are against Halachah is beyond debate. Read both sides and you'll see for yourself.
Fax what do you mean by corrupt? What has he done that is against halacha? What has she done that is against halacha?
DeleteI normally would have blocked this latest comment since you are referring to someone as a rasha without producing any evidence that poskim have decreed him to be such. Likewise I did block a comment that referred to her in similar terms.
Please keep the discussion to the facts
Just to clear, you want me to find a Posek who says Meir is a Rasha before calling him one? I take it you won't accept private conversations, so I'll have to search the web for public pronouncements. I'll get back to you. I believe my statement still stands, and I assure you that you won't find a respected Rav who is willing to defend his behavior. You certainly won't.
DeleteThe famous story of Rabbi Akiva Eiger reminds us that there are two ways to end a marriage. Even in a case where Rabbi Akiva Eiger was not able to Halachically coerce a man to give his wife a Get, he was able to ask Shamayim for a more effective way of freeing his wife. As we all know, Shamayim is able to do many things which it is assur for man to consider.
Dear Fax - or is that Lonna? -
DeleteI see you're upset. You've got a lot invested in believing that Meir is a Rasha. And maybe he is. There are some ppl here who are just as passionate as you in labeling the other side as rashaim. I'm not one of them.
I will admit, however, that I'm a bit jaded about the ascendant momentum of the "aguna" screamers, and the general feminist take over of Orthodox Jewish priorities. I've learned first, second and third hand how hell-bent, demonizing and just simply agenda driven (non-halachically committed), claims of aguna can be. And then there is the "there's always two sides" issue - which, after just a little research, immediately made it clear to me that it is not as pashut as you and that video made it seem.
Please note: I TOO WAS INITIALLY AGHAST THAT A MAN WHO'S WIFE IS STILL HALACHICALLY MARRIED TO HIM AND WANTS A DIVORCE WOULD MARRY ANOTHER. My first instinct was to assume she wasn't Jewish, or definitely not Orthodox. Once I realized that he did get a heter (as much as you might question its validity) and did get an Orthodox rav to be mesader kedushin, and there were upstanding members of an Orthodox community attending - that this is not a black and white case.
Then there was this video interview. It was so far from any kind of objective journalism! Conspicuously missing was any questioning of her about why she got custody, what kind of a father he was /is, why she divorced beforehand, what exactly was going on when she initiated and then withdrew divorce claims (sounds quite scheming), and what EXACTLY are his conditions. I.e. is he simply asking to be paid and extortion fee, or perhaps he has a basis for this claim, and believes it's about claiming damages that his hell-bent wife unhalachically caused him?
Fax, you're too certain in your labeling and demonizing to be believed. That you immediately wax judgmental of me only adds to my suspicions. For the record, I DID read the blogs from both sides. The one's from his side seem to me much more compelling.
I'd be glad to hear your point by point rebuttal to the points made in the pieces I presented.
Sorry DT, but you're becoming quite inconsistent here.
ReplyDeleteYou just allowed a torrent of vicious lies and slander from an ORA troll, including calling a respected Chareidi Rav a "rasha".
"Likewise I did block a comment" - Yes you did block my comment from before Shabbos using a similar term against a woman in archaos. By her own admission she was mosering her husband in archaos - is that not enough evidence? Please review Choshen Mishpat 26.
BUT there's NO likewise here since you in fact allowed the slander against the Chareidi Rav!
Emes LeYaakov - you obviously neither understand basic principles of communication and persuasion nor trust my judgment. That is an old story.
DeleteDoes a GET require a Beis Din or can a husband hire a Sofer to write a GET and have it delivered to his wife without any involvement of a Beis Din and the GET is still valid?
ReplyDeleteIt requires a beith din, and the get will be recognised according to the beith din who issued it. If the beith din is not recognised, the get is not recognised.
DeleteCan't a GET be done by the husband without any beis din being involved?
DeleteFax, not everyone who violates Halachah is a Rashah. You can condemn a man and his actions without calling him a Rashah. You wouldn't want to labelled a loose canon who goes over the top with his attacks.
ReplyDeleteLonna kin went to arko"oys first. She withdrew her lawsuit not because of the get issue which she totally lied about but for other reasons which could have resulted in her losing custody. She never repaid Meir for his legal fees. So she still has the din of being in arko"oys. Meir then went and filed for divorce in CA but did not ask for any relief just to register the divorce. This is not arko"oys and is equivalent to registering a house or a marriage. So claims that Meir is now the one in arko"oys are total lies.
ReplyDeleteThe SA does deem someone in arko"oys a rosho.
EVERYBODY STATES THAT RABBI ABRAHAM AND RABBI GESTETNER ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE BAIS DINS BUT NO ONE STATES A REASON? DO THEY EAT TREIF MEAT? DO THEY DRIVE A CAR ON SHABBOS? DOVID HAMELECH ALSO HAD ENEMIES, DID THAT MAKE HIM UNFIT TO BE THE GRANDFATHER OF THE MOSHIACH? WHY IS IT THAT ORA ACCEPTS THE GITTIN OF RABBI RALBAG, YET MANY WONT EAT FROM THE HASHGOCHO OF TRIANGLE-K OR HEBREW NATIONAL THAT HE CERTIFIES? IF YOU CAN'T TRUST HIS HASHGOCHO, HOW CAN YOU TRUST HIS GITTIN?
ReplyDeleteAnother good question - this time from Shmuel.
ReplyDeleteIt needs to be asked also of the Israeli rabbanut: Why does the chareidi public not protest when a chareidi woman goes to the rabbanut to force a divorce?
Rabbi Avrohom Rubin alleges that Ralbag who is a cousin of Lonna Kin was involved in his beating. that belsky and ralbag are not in cheder with mendel epstein is beyond comprehension.
ReplyDeleteShmuel everone states that Rabbis gestetner and Abraham are corrupt because kol haposel bemumo posel. They charge more than their schar beteilo use peshoro when it is clearcut who the din is with, ignore the issur of arko"oys and like solomon herbst are more than willing to write gittei meuseh for a fee.
ReplyDeleteStan please be clear in your statement. "They charge more than..." who is they?
DeleteRabbi Avrohom Rubin alleges that Ralbag who is a cousin of Lonna Kin was involved in his beating. that belsky and ralbag are not in cheder with mendel epstein is beyond comprehension.
ReplyDeleteTHE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ORA AND MENDEL EPSTEIN/ WOLMARK IS THAT THE LATTER USES BRUTE FORCE TO EXTORT A GET AND THE FORMER USES PUBLIC HUMILIATION TACTICS. IF ONE ANALYZES WHAT TRANSPIRED HERE, THEY WOULD NOTICE THAT MEIR KIN WAS SHAFTED BY THE FEMINIST PROPAGANDA MACHINE. SHE DISMISSED HER DIVORCE IN NY SUPREME COURT AS HE WAS ABOUT TO PRESENT EVIDENCE ON COMPUTERS THAT BOTH SHE AND HER DAUGHTER WERE VIEWING PORNOGRAPHY AND ALLOWING HER OLDER DAUGHTER TO BE CONTACTED BY A SEX-PREDATOR. WHY DO YOU THINK SHE OBTAINED A GAG-ORDER TO PROHIBIT HIM FROM SHOWING THE PROOF TO ANY BAIS DIN? WHY WOULD A WOMAN WANTING A GET DISMISS HER OWN DIVORCE PETITION? THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN MISLED BY THESE EVIL PEOPLE AND HAVE SHED THE BLOOD OF AN INNOCENT MAN!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteLONNA KIN WITHDREW HER DIVORCE PETITION BECAUSE MEIR HAD FOUND EVIDENCE ON THE HOME COMPUTERS VERIFYING HIS CLAIMS THAT SHE AND HER DAUGHTER WERE VIEWING PORNOGRAPHY. SHE WITHDREW HER PETITION FOR DIVORCE WITH THE ADVICE OF HER FRUM ATTORNEY DANIEL SCHWARTZ WHO ON FB IS CALLING MEIR A LOWLIFE WHILE HE GAVE HER BAD ADVICE TO DISMISS THE DIVORCE. IT WAS HER MANIPULATING HER CASE AS SHE SAW FIT THAT LED TO HER DELAY OF RECEIVING A GET. SHE DOESNT TALK ABOUT HER GAG ORDER AGAINST HIM, BUT REST ASSURED IF A MAN IS NOT ALLOWED TO EXPRESS HIMSELF FREELY IN ANY BAIS DIN, THEN WHO IS THE REAL EXTORTIONIST HERE????????????????????
ReplyDeleteTO FAX ABOVE: MEIR SUMMONED HER TO RABBI GOBIOFF BAIS DIN AND SHE DIDNT ATTEND. HE ALSO SUMMONED HER TO RABBI TEICHMANS BAIS DIN AND ONCE AGAIN DID NOT COME? SO STOP THIS BALONEY THAT HE ONLY CHOOSES CORRUPT BAIS DINS!!!
ReplyDeleteYour points are very poignant and cogent, Shmuel. Even without all the question & exclamation marks...
ReplyDeletevery well said
ReplyDeleteare u nuts he never hurt anyone
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