KA Time to follow the masses regarding Chaim Walder

 I will try to put this carefully, but rationally-

The position of either the defenders of Walder, or the “I
don’t knows” are becoming less and less
tenable, and for a number of reasons. And objections that you keep bringing are
not convincing anyone but yourself.

That the Sephardi BD is not competent – that is nonsense,
and nobody is buying such a line. Rav Eliyahu is a Talmid Chacham, and he knows halacha very
well. To point where someone who is Brisk and totally rejects Zionism, was praising
him.

Your view of Rav Eliyahu is generous and irrelevant. It is simply bizarre that he should be the go to person for a bnei brak case not involving Sephardim. Bnei Brak would use Rav Silman or Rav Rosenberg. Rav Silman has been specifically involved with abuse cases for many years

That they did not follow correct procedure – the halacha is
out in the open, even Rav Silman writes that with such cases, we no longer
follow strict Torah requirements for witnesses, can rely even on recordings, photographs, intermediaries
etc.

If you bothered reading the Shoel imeishiv - procedure is modified to stop abuse not to decide guilt!

Rav Eliyahu was very quick to announce guilt WHERE ARE THE LETTERS FROM Bnei Brak regarding guilt? 

That we don’t know the dikduk of the letter from Rav
Sternbuch – there is already sufficient information in the ether – explicit statements
have been made of a history of bad name of Walder, that he was chashud of not keeping all
issurim in the Torah including the gimmel chamurot.

Rav Sternbuch is not shy about expressing his views but you say rely on the ether.
nope that is not the way serious people act.

That there was a Daas Torah statement from Ponovezh Rosh

Yeshiva - the first statement had more
holes than swiss cheese, and was retracted for a more measured statement. The 2nd and authoritative statement
emphasised more the damage to the nifgaim, and the need to go to
authorities.

neither statement said he was guilty as charged. Something you view as insignificant

That the suicide was either murder from the loshon hara, or
from extreme stress and hence not culpable.
One Rav said suicide is never
excusable. And you cannot send a message out that suicide is Ok under stress.
Perhaps everything is permissible, perhaps homosexuality, perhaps chillul
shabbes, etc perhaps even annulling gittin.

Wow so you found one rav - so what that is not the accepted view today

That those who speak out and rise up against the Rebbetzin

were chilonim, This is grasping at
straws – there are many alumni of the Seminary where she teaches, who follow her.
Do you think chilonim are interested or even know about her? This is much bigger than you realize – it is
bigger than Watergate. Unitl now there
has not been an uprising against Rabbonim, against rebbetzen. And that is by frum people. Maybe the haskalah,
there were reformists, but this is about frum people, rejecting their leaders en masse. 

Here we go again follow the mob. 

You are again fantasizing about a mass rebellion of the masses against their teachers -a common theme amongst secular observers

The Rabbis are afraid of this – they don’t
realise the depth of the revulsion, or protecting abusers. Parents are sick of
this – they want an end to such whitewashing.
That is why the statements that have come out, have then been retracted
and a more palatable version given.

That Rav Tau and Rav Aviner wanted to bury this – they are
both peripheral figures in RZ world

Nope neither are minor figures and both acknowledged the possibility of guilt

. Rav Tau broke away from Mercaz haRav, I’m

not sure how widely he is accepted – Mercaz HaRav is still mainstream RZ and
has many satellite yeshivas, and hesder yeshivas. Aviner was more prominent 30 years ago, but
again is marginalised. In any case,
there are individuals who are in denial about many things, about covid, vaccines
etc. The majority of the DL and also 99%
of the sephardi world all back Rav
Eliyahu.

Again follow the mob!

That we can continue as we always have done – this is no
longer an option. Today, information is spread in seconds to everyone’s
computer. Even with restrictions, there
are many frum blogs, and the biggest topic is sexual abuse. What is at risk is a fracture in chareidi
society , where people will just walk out, and no longer accept Daas Torah of
their gedolim. In fact, the process has already started.

I don’t know if this claim has been made on this particular
blog, but the claim has been made by individual commentors as well as Roshei
yeshiva, that the process of dayanim involved is corrupted, and they have
arrived at false conclusions. This was
actually what Walder himself claimed in his suicide note. He invited 2 Dayanim to see him in the great
BD in the sky! This is pure evil – it is
alleging that even the greatest dayanim across the board, and orthodox spectrum
are corrupt, and that the “tikkun” is by way of the bullet. This is
lawlessness, chaos, and madness combined.

It is also sheker of the most fundamental nature. I have never been taken to a BD , although I was
once falsely accused in a business
matter – I was confident that I could present my case if I was invited. If a
man of so many words, so articulate, with great lawyers, and more learning than
the kids and women accusing him, claimed his innocence, could he not prove it
in a BD?

Wow! What a profound fantasy I can imagine being able to fly- so what?

And finally, the scale is simply tipping away from the denialist

Again follow the mob! 

You simply can't believe there are still skeptics - no one is a denier

position. Every day, there is a new Rav, a new Rosh Yeshiva, a new posek coming
out against Walder. They chareidim,
MO, American, Israeli, Brisk,
Lubavitch, RZ etc. The pro-Walder cult
is drying out, they find themselves in
the same position as Walder himself – they have no case, no argument, and they are also following his lead in
committing moral suicide.

Again follow the mob!