Igros Moshe (YD 4:37:19) Even though a person has an obligation to have bitachon in G d and not worry about what will be tomorrow, that applies to his attitude concerning what has already happened. In such a case he shouldn’t lose his trust in G d since everything is from Him and He provides for everyone - He will surely send appropriate sustenance to the person and his family. In fact, however, a person must obtain a livelihood, food and all his needs as well as those of his wife and family not just for a single day but also for a long time by agriculture or business…
Chazon Ish (Ha-emuna Ve-ha-bittachon, beginning of chapter 2). . . an old error has become rooted in the hearts of many concerning the concept of trust. Trust . . . has come to mean that a person is obligated to believe that whenever he is presented with two possible outcomes, one good and one not, then certainly it will turn out for the good. And if he has doubts and fears the worst, that constitutes a lack of trust. This view of trust is incorrect, for as long as the future outcome has not been clarified through prophecy, that outcome has not been decided, for who can truly know God’s judgments and providence? Rather, trust means realizing that there are no coincidences in the world, and that whatever happens under the sun is a function of God’s decree.
If you don't learn from the past, you will keep making the same mistakes in the future. What exactly has bitachon to do with the past?
ReplyDeleteBitachon means accepting the events r=that have happened as being caused by G-d. Tjis seems to be the view of the Chazon Ish
ReplyDeleteObviously Hashem did not subscribe to this point of view, that's why he brought the flood to destroy the world, so it wasn't as per his Will.
DeleteWow so you are the only person who reaaly understands G-d?!
Deleteis that the style of put down you learned in yeshiva? I'm quite familiar with it
DeleteYou said both Rav Moshe and Chazon Ish were wrong -
DeleteHow would you respond to a person who thinks he knows more than them?!!?
I will face HKB'H and say that He writes himself that man's nature is evil from his youth, and that He decided several times to wipe out mankind , or certain parts of it. It was not what G-d wanted for man to do.
DeleteIn answer to your qn - actually, doesn't Rav Moshe say that one can disagree even with the CI? I'm not in business to be a "yes man", rather to try to find the Emes.
Disagreement is not simply declaring that G-d disagrees with them -You need to bring greater support than your drasha
DeleteDisagreement was in the context of halacha, even so i would have to generally be a fool to disagree on halacha with leading posqim and gedolim.
DeleteBut this is an area of theology, it's not really binding. In Chabad they say if a leaf falls it has meaning, but rambam says it doesn't. There could be distinctions in the bad things that occur, are they from people, animals, disease, self inflicted, accidents? Has hashgacha changed since Bereishit, till after matan Torah, and today in galus? In Bereishit it says
And the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart
In that sense I said He doesn't subscribe to the theory that everything that happens is according to His will.
Also, why do we need shoftim and shotrim, batei din and onesh mavet, if every crime was the will of G-d?
Deletecrime is not will of G-d but rather the result of free will
DeleteSo the oppressed, they cry out, the navi please for them, and the shoftim are enjoined to do justice for them. There is a free will vacuum, we don't exactly understand how G-d allows it, but maybe an allegorical tzimtzum
DeleteCrime is a result of free will which is a gift from God so one could argue He's responsible.
Delete(One could also argue that steak is vegetarian food because the cow eats the grass and processes it into steak so the meat is plant-based)
G-d regrets creating man, so is there a suggestion He didn't foresee the outcome? Or that it's expressing the midda of justice?
DeleteSdom and Amara were good examples, after the mabul. Total lawlessness.
Everyone talks about bitachon but then the government threatens to draftr 'em and it gets tossed out the window in favour of violent protests.
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