Saturday, January 28, 2023

Wood from coffin of tzadik?

 Just read an article in Stolin journal  which notes that when the Rebbe's body was reburied in Israel the coffin was removed and pieces of it were saved as a segula by the chasidim.  The question raised was whether this constituted a problem for cohanim?

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  1. Tumat meitim was not a segiuah, it's a karet

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  2. wow, gives "Knock on wood" a whole new meaning.

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  3. AFAIK, the punishment of "Karet" for "Tum'at Meis" only applies if the "Tamei" intentionally entered the Temple or ate sacrificial flesh ("Kodshim").

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  4. OK, but is becoming impure today a good thing?

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  5. Yeah, touching the meis is a lav.

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  6. Just to be clear, you're referring to a Kohein touching a "meis" or being in the vicinity of a "meis", in a manner that conveys "tum'ah" to the Kohein.

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  7. For non-Kohanim, becoming impure today is a non-issue.
    For Kohanim, it's an issue, but definitely not an issue of "Karet".
    The question here is regarding a dismantled coffin, if it continues to convey "Tum'ah", or not.

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  8. sure
    Why are keilim subject to tumah? Non issue

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  9. You clearly did not read the article.
    This is a question of "golel" and "dofek", not of "keilim". In several places, Rashi writes that the "golel" is the coffin’s cover and the "dofek" refers to the coffin’s sides.

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  10. It was an analogy
    It's still relevant today
    Even if you don't think so

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  11. What is relevant, and why?

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  12. If the Torah tells you something, it is always relevant. There are certain impurities which relate to temple, but we tend to think they are not relevant today.
    what if they are part of the hidden software of how the world turns?

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  13. Of course, the Torah is always relevant. It's just that on a practical level, certain laws don't have an application today.

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  14. If you touch a sheretz, do you think you need to wash or immerse?

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  15. Correct. Eating the meis would be an entirely different matter and it would matter whether it was boiled, broiled or fricaseed.

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  16. So I can't sell my 3 yr old daughter into marriage to the town rich guy?

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  17. By now it would be parve, like synthetic meat. It's only bones

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  18. 1) if any Jewish graves in Israel are disturbed by archaeological or building digs, hareidi will get violent.

    2) when there's a new form of coffin avodah Zarah, they get all excited to have piece of the action.

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  19. Dina DeMalchuta Dina.

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  20. Actually it gives knock on wood a whole new customer base _ frum hareidi Jews.

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  21. Okay, I'll take her to Libya then.

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  22. Federal law prohibits an American citizen or resident to travel to a foreign country with intent to engage in any form of sexual conduct with a minor (defined as persons under 18 years of age).
    It is also illegal to help organize or assist another person to travel for these purposes.
    This crime is a form of human trafficking, also referred to as child sex tourism.
    Convicted offenders face fines and up to 30 years of imprisonment.

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  23. OKay, so I'll say we're going on a family trip. Seriously, at the border they only care if you're carrying drugs.

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  24. This is not a border issue.
    If you abuse a child abroad, the USA can find out about you, and prosecute you for your crime. You might be out of the country, but you are not out of reach of U.S. law enforcement.

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