Throughout Trump’s presidency, there was a raging debate among experts as to whether it was accurate to describe him as a “fascist.” One of the strongest counterarguments, that his political movement did not involve the kind of street violence characteristic of Italian and German fascism, was undermined on January 6 — though some scholars still argued that the term was somewhat imprecise.
So once more, fascist joins nazi as a common insult used by people who have no clue what it really means.
ReplyDeleteOh, but George Floyd summer riots supported by the Democratic elite and much of the media that took place on the streets but it was different because...wait for it...WHOSE STREETS OUR STREETS!!!
ReplyDeletetypical Maga deflection
ReplyDeleteThe issue is not whether there is evil in the world but what did Trump bring about on Jan 6
Are you going to defend Holocaust by saying "but the Jews did X"
Let's say for the sake of argument that Donald Trump planned and executed an attack by his followers on the Capitol. The attackers then march on the Capitol, acting in a boisterous fashion, but quite legally for the moment. Once there, they get past obstacles, neutralize the police, and gain entry to the Capitol building.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, President Trump is giving them cover by not calling in the National Guard.
With Ashli Babbitt at the forefront of the battle, the mob gains entry to the House Chamber. On a second front, as planned, Jacob Chansley gets past Offiicer Eugene Goodman and enters the Senate Chamber.
Babbitt, using her backpack, and Chansley his spear, manage to disarm all the police and security and also Congressmen who carry guns. The Congress is now surrounded, and is given the demand to certify President Trump as the winner of the election.
Vice President Mike Pence does just that. The mob is satisfied and celebrates as members of Congress retire to their offices.
That imaginary scenario seems to really be along the lines of what some people hold was the actual plan of Donald Trump. The difficulty is that there is only circumstantial evidence to support it. There must be some massive operational security going on that not one single "insurgent" has stepped up and even claimed -- much less produced documentation -- that they acted at the behest of Donald Trump when entering the Capitol.
We can alll agree that Donald Trump stirred up the mob, but he wasn't directing them, and there was no master plan of how they should act. At least theongoing hearings on the subject of January 6 have so far failed to produce a master plan, or to get anyone in the DC jail awaiting trial for their behavior on January 6 to turn and testify that they had worked directly with someone at the White House to pressure the Congress under threat of physical attack to do the will of Donald Trump.
Where, then, is this "evil" emanating from Donald Trump? We can say he made bad decisions and poor choices. If he really embodied evil on January 6, then by extension the Senate must be deemed evil for not removing Donald Trump from office after he was impeached for his involvement with the insurgency. Tens of millions of Americans who are ok with how the President acted, or at most dislike what he did but are ready to leave it there, are also being complicit with evil.
And if leftist, liberal, Marxist types really think that all these people along with Donald Trump are evil then indeed this country is headed towards civil war because these people being labeled evil are not about to simply admit "We're evil" and give over power to those who promote perverts and degenerates and want to undermine the nation by erasing its borders.
A "coup" requires more than a simple mob with no actual plan marching on a single government building. This tactic, if it was Trump's, was doomed to failure from the start and never a sesrious threat to democracy. The left, however, needs to hype it intpo such a thing so they can feed the addiction their Trump Derangement Syndrome gives them.
ReplyDeleteWow a mob without a plan attacking the Capitol is not a serious threat to Democracy!
ReplyDeleteBTW there was a plan.
Anything The Republicans don't want to hear becomes "insignificant"
No, it's not a theat. A threat implies a plan. It implies you have something in place when you've toppled the government and you only topple the government by arreseting them and replacing them. This mob had no plans, no idea what to do and no chance of success. American democracy was not imperiled for a second.
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ReplyDeleteCheney did not detail the specific points of the plan...
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Oh. THAT plan. The "Trust Me There Was a Plan" plan. Should I just retract my comments now and go away?
https://www.msnbc.com/ayman-mohyeldin/watch/jan-6-cmte-lays-out-trump-s-7-step-plan-to-overthrow-the-election-141949509863
ReplyDeleteWhat a weak presentation. At worst, President Donald Trump was passive on January 6th as far as activity at the Capitol that day. But you know what? The Capitol Police and the DC Police were at the Capitol! It wasn't without security forces. And Donald Trump did nothing to stop the police at the Capitol doing their job. Can I get a "Yes you're right on that point, Joe."
ReplyDeleteIf chaos and violence were the goal, what evidence did Donald Trump have in advance of January 6 yhat it wouldn't be stopped by hundreds of armed law enforcement officers?
IN FACT, ASHLI BABBITT WAS SHOT DEAD AS SHE ATTEMPTED TO ENTER THE CHAMBER WHERE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WERE MEETING.
If Trump was all out for violent insurrection, why didn't he take steps to neutralize the police???????????????
Torah thought this week’s parsha שלח לך “Once, when the Israelites were in the wilderness, they came upon a man gathering wood on the sabbath day. Those who found him as he was gathering wood brought him before Moses, Aaron, and the whole community.” (Numbers 15:32-33).
ReplyDeleteShabbath 97a: “Then of which [sinners] was he [On the view of R. Judah b. Bathyra. For it is stated, but he died in his own sin, Numbers 27:3]? -Of those who presumed [to go up to the top of the mountain, Numbers 14:44].”
“Our father died in the wilderness, He was not one of the faction, Korah’s faction, which he banded together against the Lord, but died for his own sin; and he has left no sons.” (Numbers 27:3)
“Yet defiantly ויעפלו they marched toward the crest of the hill country, though neither the Lord’s Ark of the Covenant nor Moses stirred from the camp.” (Numbers 14:44).
Soncino Zohar, Bemidbar, Section 3, Page 205b
“His son then discoursed on the verse: Our father died in the wilderness, and he was not among the company, etc. (Num. XXVII, 3). Why did the daughters of Zelopehad so particularly state that their father had died in the wilderness, seeing that so many thousands of others had also died in the wilderness? Men are at a loss to explain this, and some say he was the man who gathered sticks on the Sabbath, and others say other things, but what I have learnt is this-my father taught it me on the day when he fell ill. We must take the word midbar (wilderness) here in the sense of saying. Zelopehad was one of the principal men of the sons of Joseph, but because he did not know the ways of the Torah sufficiently he did not become their prince. His fault was that he was not careful of his speech and his tongue in front of Moses. Hence, because he sinned in his speech against Moses, his daughters thought that Moses bore a grudge against him, and therefore they drew near before Moses and Eleazar and all the princes, and spoke with Moses only in their presence, because they were afraid of his anger. From this we learn that one who is afraid of a judge should bring a large audience before him in order that they may hear him judge and he may be afraid of them and conduct the case properly. Otherwise, he should not be allowed to conduct the case.” Beautiful.
My theory. Zelopehad was an ardent Zionist that did not know ways of Torah sufficiently. Zelopehad was the gatherer of wood on the Sabbath. Alas, God commanded Moses “Then the Lord said to Moses: The man shall be put to death: the whole community shall pelt him with stones out the camp.” (Numbers 15:35).
We love Zelophehad today for his Zionism. God commanded death to the entire generation of men that left Egypt for their lack of Zionism. Lessons for today? Be a Zionist and follow sufficiently the Torah. All men should wear tzitzit (Numbers 15: 36-41).