https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/319776
Rabbi Tzvi Tau, one of the senior rabbis of religious Zionism and the head of Har Hamor Yeshiva, condemns the accusations made against children's author Chaim Walder, who committed suicide due to allegations of sexual harassment. A few days later, Rabbi Rafi Feuerstein, chairman of the Tzohar Rabbinical Association and the president of the Feuerstein Foundation, removed the writings of Rabbi Tzvi Tau from his personal libraries.
"Last week I removed Walder's books, which my
children and later my grandchildren read. And this week I removed Rabbi
Tau's writings from my library and from my home," said Rabbi Feuerstein,
explaining: I do this to show the desecration of G-d's name that
results from this great man. For the Rambam writes (Yesodei haTorah
Chapter 5 Verse 11): "There are other deeds which are also included in
[the category of] the desecration of [G-d's] name, if performed by a
person of great Torah stature who is renowned for his piety - i.e.,
deeds which, although they are not transgressions, [will cause] people
to speak disparagingly of him. This also constitutes the desecration of
[G-d's] name."
About rav Tau
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Rav pruzansky
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Why quote him he says is allrged
ReplyDeleteHe doesn't buy your judgement
I don't understand your argument - it's a longish article.
ReplyDeleteActually, my early "pronouncement" on this case was same as his _ the preponderance of diffuse witnesses make it less and likely for this to be a fit up. He was a lawyer before he became a rabbi.
What does less likely
ReplyDeleteThat is not a legal category
Sorry, this is his precise quote :
ReplyDelete"If one accusation against an individual can be attributed to malice, jealousy or mental illness (or can be true), dozens of accusations coming from disparate and unrelated sources substantiate each other."
Weinstein , Epstein, Maxwell were not convicted by singular witnesses, but multiple.
Wow
ReplyDeleteA lot of Low quality accusation don't equal clear evidence -n-just a basis to suspect and investigated properly
It seems most of the testimony he heard was not from victims but people claiming they heard i.e. hearsay evidence
It seems? How do you source this information?
ReplyDeleteFamily. Social workers not to be believed?
Wow
ReplyDeleteA social worker says my client claimed - and that makes it true?
No secular court would convict on that type of evidence
he convicted himself , with his ill gotten gun.
ReplyDeleteNope!
ReplyDeleteSuicide does not prove guilt - especially since he protested his innocence to the end - see suicide note
He threatened suicide in the tape as well. If the affair was to be made public.
ReplyDeleteHe protested his innocence, but why not do it in court?
your question is simply a question it establishes nothing
ReplyDeleteAnd you have exposed another flaw in his or your case. Rav Silman and Rav Rosenberg are about the greatest dayanim in the chareidi world. If you believe his fiction to be true, that requires you to call _ as he did _ Rav silman a "corrupt" Judge, and by implication Rav Rosenberg too, Chas v shalom.
ReplyDeleteSo not only his gun, but also his pen implicated him.
Wow
ReplyDeleteso now you are defending the honor of Chareidi Rabbis?!
And since they are infallible he is obviously guilty - you are really clutching at straws- why are you willing to contradict yourself to make Walder guilty?
I am not saying they are infallible - but it is you who is saying that R Eliyahu is incomeptent, or not competent. So now you are saying they are also incompetent, just to prove Walder innocent? did you know him personally? Someone who has an unhealthy interest in children, shoudl be looked upon with suspicion - he wrote booooks, that should be the end of it. why was his whole life all about surrounding himself with kids, and opportunties to be with them (except for his other interest in married women)?
ReplyDeleteI once saw in a Jeruslaem hotel, a Hareidi man in his 30s, randomly approaching a young DL family with 3 daughters, and commenting on how cute the girls were. I almost got up to starngle the man, but this is the kind of unhealthy interest in children whci shoudl ring alarm bells.
you mean the explanation I might give could be coutnered by an oppsouite explanation, e.g. he was depressed, and lost confidence in proving his innocence etc.? It's possible, but when you put all the pieces together, it is either you put your faith in him, or in rav Eliyahu and his BD.
ReplyDeleteThere is the old riddle where you are placed in a cell with 2 doors, and 2 guards. One door leads to freedom, the other to torture , flames etc. And one guard alwasy tells the truth, the other always tells lies. But you don't know which guard is in front of which door. And you are afforded only one question. so what is the question?
But in reality, there is a similar dilemma - either you trust the words of one man, who wrote a a suicide note, and then shoots himself, - and where there are raglayim le davar, testimonies, tapes suggesting adultery, etc - or you trust the BD, albeit a sephardi one, who are people who are known to be tzaddikim, who judge in various matters of halacha.
Now, every time i cite the RZ/sephardim you put them down and claim that it is the Chareidim who have daas Torah. when i cite the Daas Torah people, you make sarcastic remarks. If you take Walder as being someone whose every word is truth, and he speaks mipi Gevurah, then you would need to conclude that Rav Silman is also incompetent. This tips the balance even further inthe moshul that i brought - do you think Rav Silman and Rav Rosenebrg are the people who always tell lies, on top of r Eliyahu?
Why did Rav Gershon bring the Gemara comparing an adulterer, executed by a BD, to a person who shames his friend? Why davka an adulterer? Is there any connection to the case? Obviously there is, it is no mere coincidence. why wasn't an example of an idolater brought, eg the wars of Shaul , who was not an idolater were failures, whereas Achav's were victories, because Achav didn't speak loshon hara? Becasue idolatry has not been one of the accusations, whereas arayot has been.
Wow. Sounds like you have a real problem
ReplyDeleteSo you want to take all candytmen and kill them
I was taught not to accept candy from strangers, and not only for kashrus reasons
ReplyDeleteHaredi Lawmaker: All rapists deserve to be shot
ReplyDeleteUnited Torah Judaism MK Yitzhak Pindrus tells Knesset hearing on sexual abuse that in Jewish theocracy, 'all rapists would be shot'.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/319844?fbclid=IwAR1ENfvR-1u5Sy_g0q1SbthlJYPPouHq2c0ciYEytfQLaBUP8Gtn942B-bk.
His father taught at ohr somayach. Was once telling me how perfect the Rambam is, no reform could bring an argument against it.
Interestingly, or shockingly, rambam says in certain cases, if the rapist starts but hasn't finished, we don't kill him.
TYPICAL MISQUOTW
ReplyDelete“As far as Halacha [Jewish traditional law] goes, any [sexual] abuser falls under the category of ‘rodef’. If we wouldn’t have a government and laws, we would have to shoot him at point blank range. [But] every city has courts which deal aggressively with the issue.”
Let me pose another question-
ReplyDeleteif someone had asked you, a month ago, where would the dividing lines be in this case, with those justifying the Eliyahu BD and those who oppose its methods, at very least?
The divide does not seem to be as great as you make out - majority of MO, DL, and modern American hareidi are strongly supporting Rav Eliyahu and castigating the Walder side. But even according to Rav Gershon shlita's Daas Torah, the only issue is that there should not be a media circus. He is in fact saying cut out BD involvement and go straight to the police. And this is a sound, and efficient way of dealing with these problems. It won't avoid the ensuing media circus, in a coutnry with a free press and Freedom of information (subject to military censor).
Even the RZ world has changed in teh past 20 years ago. When they had problems at Netiv Meir and Merkaz, some prominent rabis tried to hush things up. So perhaps the Hareidim are more "modern" in some ways than RZ!