I don't understand why you titled it "Agunah Alert".
It should read MAMZER Alert.
This woman was never an "Agunah", in any sense of the word.
She obviously isn't an Agunah, in the Talmudic sense of the word, since we know where her husband is.
She also isn't an Agunah, in the modern usage of the word, where a husband refuses to give his wife a get, even when Beis Din (rightly or wrongly) orders him to so. Unless you have other information, in this case, her husband was never ordered to give her a Get.
The letter indicates that they were in the middle of a Din Torah, and NO RULING was issued, when the woman said that she wanted to bring additional support for her case, and the BD granted her request for additional time.
Meanwhile, instead of coming back to BD, she absconded, and went to the other so-called BD, which gave her an annulment, which was based on lies; claims that she made to the new "BD", which contradicted things she said to the original BD, and other factual errors.
In 1986, the CRC publicized the following declaration:
It is our duty to denounce those who invoke the name of the Almighty in vain. It is our holy obligation and our moral responsibility to call on them: Stop using these falsehoods and heresies to justify yourselves and your misdeeds. The Jewish faith, as transmitted by the Almighty to our forefathers, has not and will never countenance the Zionist and nationalistic doctrines of the state of Israel. These false doctrines are compounded of atheism and anti-religious Zionism, ideologies alien to Judaism. Let them not be misrepresented to the world as Jewish.[5][6]
are you trying to say that an anti-Zionist beis Din has a different halachic understanding than a Yu beis din?! A marriage is abrogated by the International Beis Din and all modern Orthodox accept it but not Satmer?
Apparently you think Rav Schacter is a member of the Eidah
If a woman had a valid marriage, then she's an Eshet Ish, wherever in the world she goes.
Aviva Wallach (nee Kaplan) had an Orthodox Jewish wedding, and is presumed to have the status of an Eshet Ish, until she can show that she was divorced by receiving a kosher get.
As the letter of the BD indicates, Aviva signed and accepted the authority of this BD regarding her marital issues (regardless of their stance regarding Zionism, which is immaterial to her case before them).
She then allegedly went off, and remarried without receiving a Get. Therefore, every time she's together with her new lover, she’s committing the sin of adultery; and if she ever has children with him (pray to God that she doesn't have any), they will be MAMZERIM.
There are a number of issues here which are being conflated.
Satmar x= YU x= IBD
Satmar wouldn't even recognize Rav Soloveitchik or rav Kook, so why should htey pay attention to Rav Shachter?
This case - if the comments are accurate - involves someone taking flight from the Satmar BD and going to IBD... What occurred in between is not known. In fact we don't know what happened before.
We have to understand what the opposition of RHS is, and what IBD, which they have a teshuvos on their website. Then we have None other than Rav Nota Greenblatt also attacking the IBD. There ia famous case where Ramban criticises Ibn Ezra's explantion of a matetr, saying he (Ibn Ezra) did worse than the karaites he was attacking! Isn't Rav Nota's heter worse than that of the IBD?
In any case, it is a bit presumptious of anyone reading this blog to take sides or make judgements on case they know very few particulars of. About a person or persons not known to them, and whose motives and behaviour is not apparent.
There is something to your statement - rav soloveitchik largely followed brisker methodology, so not too far from the eidah. Rav Hershel shachter is basically copying every single letter of his Rav's approach. Im not saying it's bad, it is a good thing. Rav soloveitchik didn't approve of hallel on yom haatzmaut, as he felt it was too soon to reach judgement. BTW, rav kook taught Netziv style im his yeshiva, not brisk. I am not a follower of rav kraus, but from what I know he is a good man.
It is clear that the International beis din is very problematic and combining that with the statement of the CRC beis din it is definitely not presumptuous to pass judgment
except she never received a get and is still listed as an agunah on the internet http://agunahandherget.com/aviva-kaplan-wallach-still-has-not-received-her-get/
Aviva Wallach (nee Kaplan) did NOT get a "quickie divorce". In fact, she has NO Get. The IBD granted her a so-called “annulment”, which allegedly gives her license to live with other men, and presumably, all the times she was together with the man she received Kiddushin from, retroactively became “Be’ilat Znut”; sleeping in sin.
I am making a prediction, of the metzius. I am not saying do not protest.
There needs (IMHO) to be teshuvos from poskim outlining what the halacha says. that will influence both parties. The IBD are producing teshuvos, and then getting counter teshuvos.
Those who read the IBD tshuvas are not impressed. They are printing annulments not offering a valid halachic alternative. People go to them for annulments not scholarship!
Rav Shachter is one of those figures you bring when it suits you. when he satted that the Dayan Sherman "psak" annulling geirus was total garbage, it was not so impressive for you.
That's not me. I'm consistent. I've consistently protested sham annulments, regardless of the type of kippa, the purveyor of such garbage may wear.
In this case, the letter from the CRC Beis Din indicates that they have seen Aviva Wallach's so-called "annulment", and has declared it to be based on LIES; claims that she made to the "IBD", which contradicted things that she said to their BD, and other factual errors.
ALL Poskim would agree that an annulment obtained based on fraudulent claims, is not worth the paper it was written on.
Nope! It is not arbitrary because I had other sources that strongly disagreed. It was simply to show the issue is not Satmer against YU as you like to argue. because even YU views the IBD' s psak as nonsense
Maybe so. But nevertheless, these teleological halachists are now developing. And will continue to be there. In this specific case, I am not supporting the woman or the ibd.
Out of curiosity do you have a full internet service for example do you ever look at YouTube? If you ever saw a movie now would it be totally alien to you because you never saw any growing up?
I knew some Wallachs when I was growing up. Sadly, Eli Wallach apparently left no Jewish children. His wife was Anne Jackson, and her mother was of Irish Catholic descent.
Her husband was ordered to give her a get and there is a seruv against him. As she is no longer married please take down these lies you have publicized.
1. Who allegedly ordered Aviva's husband to give her a Get? Was it the CRC, the only BD that was halachically authorized to adjudicate the case between Aviva and her husband?
2. Why do you think that Aviva is no longer married? She had an Orthodox Jewish wedding and is therefore presumed to have the status of an Eshet Ish, until she can show that she was divorced by receiving a kosher Get.
As the letter from the CRC BD (2021) indicates, the couple was in in the middle of a Din Torah, so obviously, the husband was not being "Mesarev Ledin", and Aviva was OK using the CRC BD, as indicated by the "Shtar Berurin" that she signed.
The "siruv" from BD Btzedek Tishpoit is moot, because subsequently the husband did go to an agreed upon Beis Din (CRC) (with Aviva's agreement), which renders any previous “siruv” to be null and void.
I don't understand why you titled it "Agunah Alert".
ReplyDeleteIt should read MAMZER Alert.
This woman was never an "Agunah", in any sense of the word.
She obviously isn't an Agunah, in the Talmudic sense of the word, since we know where her husband is.
She also isn't an Agunah, in the modern usage of the word, where a husband refuses to give his wife a get, even when Beis Din (rightly or wrongly) orders him to so. Unless you have other information, in this case, her husband was never ordered to give her a Get.
The letter indicates that they were in the middle of a Din Torah, and NO RULING was issued, when the woman said that she wanted to bring additional support for her case, and the BD granted her request for additional time.
Meanwhile, instead of coming back to BD, she absconded, and went to the other so-called BD, which gave her an annulment, which was based on lies; claims that she made to the new "BD", which contradicted things she said to the original BD, and other factual errors.
Please correct this!
agreed! changed it
ReplyDeletewho is this BD comprised of? Can anyone read their names?
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Rabbinical_Congress
ReplyDeleteIn 1986, the CRC publicized the following declaration:
ReplyDeleteIt is our duty to denounce those who invoke the name of the Almighty in vain. It is our holy obligation and our moral responsibility to call on them: Stop using these falsehoods and heresies to justify yourselves and your misdeeds. The Jewish faith, as transmitted by the Almighty to our forefathers, has not and will never countenance the Zionist and nationalistic doctrines of the state of Israel. These false doctrines are compounded of atheism and anti-religious Zionism, ideologies alien to Judaism. Let them not be misrepresented to the world as Jewish.[5][6]
Are you claiming Rav Character is anti zionist?
ReplyDeleteWhat is your point?
It's a paragraph from the link you published
ReplyDeleteSo what was your point?
ReplyDeletehttps://t.co/kuNMMnQd9N?Fdhn4jevRE
ReplyDeleteTotally irrelevant to the discussion; which is about a woman who was presumed to be an Eshet Ish, allegedly going and remarrying without a Get.
ReplyDeleteit's a bit strange for someone to go to what is essentially a Satmar court, and then move to a radical modern orthodox one?
ReplyDeleteit is relevant to the history and make-up of the court in question.
ReplyDeleteare you trying to say that an anti-Zionist beis Din has a different halachic understanding than a Yu beis din?!
ReplyDeleteA marriage is abrogated by the International Beis Din and all modern Orthodox accept it but not Satmer?
Apparently you think Rav Schacter is a member of the Eidah
Yes it is strange for any one to go from a normal beis din to the International beis din!
ReplyDeleteIf a woman had a valid marriage, then she's an Eshet Ish, wherever in the world she goes.
ReplyDeleteAviva Wallach (nee Kaplan) had an Orthodox Jewish wedding, and is presumed to have the status of an Eshet Ish, until she can show that she was divorced by receiving a kosher get.
As the letter of the BD indicates, Aviva signed and accepted the authority of this BD regarding her marital issues (regardless of their stance regarding Zionism, which is immaterial to her case before them).
She then allegedly went off, and remarried without receiving a Get. Therefore, every time she's together with her new lover, she’s committing the sin of adultery; and if she ever has children with him (pray to God that she doesn't have any), they will be MAMZERIM.
There are a number of issues here which are being conflated.
ReplyDeleteSatmar x= YU x= IBD
Satmar wouldn't even recognize Rav Soloveitchik or rav Kook, so why should htey pay attention to Rav Shachter?
This case - if the comments are accurate - involves someone taking flight from the Satmar BD and going to IBD... What occurred in between is not known. In fact we don't know what happened before.
We have to understand what the opposition of RHS is, and what IBD, which they have a teshuvos on their website. Then we have None other than Rav Nota Greenblatt also attacking the IBD. There ia famous case where Ramban criticises Ibn Ezra's explantion of a matetr, saying he (Ibn Ezra) did worse than the karaites he was attacking! Isn't Rav Nota's heter worse than that of the IBD?
https://www.internationalbeitdin.org/storage/app/media/uploaded-files/BeitDinZilberLetter.pdf
ReplyDeleteIn any case, it is a bit presumptious of anyone reading this blog to take sides or make judgements on case they know very few particulars of. About a person or persons not known to them, and whose motives and behaviour is not apparent.
ReplyDeleteThere is something to your statement - rav soloveitchik largely followed brisker methodology, so not too far from the eidah. Rav Hershel shachter is basically copying every single letter of his Rav's approach. Im not saying it's bad, it is a good thing.
ReplyDeleteRav soloveitchik didn't approve of hallel on yom haatzmaut, as he felt it was too soon to reach judgement.
BTW, rav kook taught Netziv style im his yeshiva, not brisk.
I am not a follower of rav kraus, but from what I know he is a good man.
It is clear that the International beis din is very problematic and combining that with the statement of the CRC beis din it is definitely not presumptuous to pass judgment
ReplyDeleteSo is Rav Shacter.
ReplyDeleteThe International beis din is simply not accepted either by YU or the Eidah
The IBd. is. Here to stay. Close it down, a new one will appear.
ReplyDeleteEven the kamenetsky. /greenblatt. bd. Was an unofficial "IBD". HAREIDI. style.
The information we have suggests she opted for a quickie divorce,.
ReplyDeleteexcept she never received a get and is still listed as an agunah on the internet
ReplyDeletehttp://agunahandherget.com/aviva-kaplan-wallach-still-has-not-received-her-get/
she now has another name, and
ReplyDeleteGot married
3 November 2020
Aviva Wallach (nee Kaplan) did NOT get a "quickie divorce".
ReplyDeleteIn fact, she has NO Get.
The IBD granted her a so-called “annulment”, which allegedly gives her license to live with other men, and presumably, all the times she was together with the man she received Kiddushin from, retroactively became “Be’ilat Znut”; sleeping in sin.
Therefore we shouldn't ever bother to protest against perversions of Halacha?
ReplyDeleteis that what you inferred from my statement?
ReplyDeleteI am making a prediction, of the metzius. I am not saying do not protest.
There needs (IMHO) to be teshuvos from poskim outlining what the halacha says. that will influence both parties. The IBD are producing teshuvos, and then getting counter teshuvos.
unless the anullment has any validity.
ReplyDeleteBtw, isn't that what Rav Nota did for Epstein? If so, do the words pot, kettle and black have any resonance?
How absolutely awful...
ReplyDeleteThose who read the IBD tshuvas are not impressed. They are printing annulments not offering a valid halachic alternative. People go to them for annulments not scholarship!
ReplyDeleteRav Feinstein said that is not justification for ignoring halacha
ReplyDeleteOC 4:35
The Good the Bad and the Ugly
ReplyDeleteRav Shachter is one of those figures you bring when it suits you. when he satted that the Dayan Sherman "psak" annulling geirus was total garbage, it was not so impressive for you.
ReplyDeleteThat's not me. I'm consistent. I've consistently protested sham annulments, regardless of the type of kippa, the purveyor of such garbage may wear.
ReplyDeleteIn this case, the letter from the CRC Beis Din indicates that they have seen Aviva Wallach's so-called "annulment", and has declared it to be based on LIES; claims that she made to the "IBD", which contradicted things that she said to their BD, and other factual errors.
ALL Poskim would agree that an annulment obtained based on fraudulent claims, is not worth the paper it was written on.
Nope!
ReplyDeleteIt is not arbitrary because I had other sources that strongly disagreed.
It was simply to show the issue is not Satmer against YU as you like to argue. because even YU views the IBD' s psak as nonsense
The implied correlation is lost on me.
ReplyDeleteI take it you are not a movie buff !
ReplyDeleteI was pointing to RNG - presumably his heter was totally fine and kosher, that he can knock ibd.
ReplyDeleteSource?
ReplyDeleteI'm not publicizing it, do your own research.
ReplyDeleteMaybe so. But nevertheless, these teleological halachists are now developing. And will continue to be there.
ReplyDeleteIn this specific case, I am not supporting the woman or the ibd.
I've never been inside a cinema, and my parents didn't have a telly in the house.
ReplyDeleteWell done.
ReplyDeleteThere was a jewish actor named Eli Wallach. This is the first time I came across someone with the same last name.
Out of curiosity do you have a full internet service for example do you ever look at YouTube?
ReplyDeleteIf you ever saw a movie now would it be totally alien to you because you never saw any growing up?
I knew some Wallachs when I was growing up.
ReplyDeleteSadly, Eli Wallach apparently left no Jewish children.
His wife was Anne Jackson, and her mother was of Irish Catholic descent.
That's Hollywood. Somebody named Paltrow today is descended from a rabbi Paltrowitz, but her maternal line is also German/Irish nochri etc.
ReplyDeletethat is just an excuse and it is petty/.
ReplyDeleteHer husband was ordered to give her a get and there is a seruv against him. As she is no longer married please take down these lies you have publicized.
ReplyDeletea seruv and an order to give a get are not equivalent to receiving a get - do you have any authorities that say it is equivalent?
ReplyDelete1. Who allegedly ordered Aviva's husband to give her a Get?
ReplyDeleteWas it the CRC, the only BD that was halachically authorized to adjudicate the case between Aviva and her husband?
2. Why do you think that Aviva is no longer married? She had an Orthodox Jewish wedding and is therefore presumed to have the status of an Eshet Ish, until she can show that she was divorced by receiving a kosher Get.
As the letter from the CRC BD (2021) indicates, the couple was in in the middle of a Din Torah, so obviously, the husband was not being "Mesarev Ledin", and Aviva was OK using the CRC BD, as indicated by the "Shtar Berurin" that she signed.
The crc wasn't the bais din who issued the seruv and which was agreed upon!! The bais din who issued the seriv was בד"ץ בצדק תשפוט
ReplyDeleteThe "siruv" from BD Btzedek Tishpoit is moot, because subsequently the husband did go to an agreed upon Beis Din (CRC) (with Aviva's agreement), which renders any previous “siruv” to be null and void.
ReplyDeletePlease remove all posts she received her get this past Shiva asap btamuz at rav yochanan twerskys bais din kav hayashar tysm
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