Wednesday, November 11, 2020

Misinformation channels claim Biden is no longer President-elect. That's not true.

 https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/10/tech/biden-lost-pennsylvania-fact-check/index.html

 Widespread allegations that President-elect Joe Biden "stole" the election are now tinged with unfounded claims that media outlets are rescinding their calls of certain states or are changing their projections in ways that disfavor Biden. These claims are untrue. But they continue to circulate virally on social media and show how, for online platforms, the problem of misinformation is as serious as ever.

44 comments:

  1. Even though the media is inaccurately labeling Joe Biden as “president-elect”, he is NOT “president-elect”, since no official sources have called the election.


    Federal law and the Constitution, limit official sources to state officials, the Electoral College, and, ultimately, Congress. Nowhere do we find that the Constitution gives the media the ability to declare the winner of a presidential election.

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  2. Proud Conservative MomNovember 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM

    Absolutely, but the Fake News is very brazen, and for a very good reason. They never have to fear, for any repercussions.

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  3. This is totally irrelevant. According all the established facts Trump lost the election and even if his absurd claims about fraud were true he still can not win. The normative practice is to accept the obvious for the well being of the country to ensure a smooth and safe transition. When Trump was the certain winner in 2016 all the Republicans and Democrats acknowledged this and made the transition as efficient and friendly as possible. To claim now " but it isn't official until the electors vote in December - while true ignores the elephant i.e. Trump claims without any proof that he won the election and he is blocking the transition. Why? Because his feeling were hurt when he lost! He is not claiming I lost but I want to wait until the electors make it official. . Why endanger a safe transition because he is throwing a tantrum?

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  4. In 2000, Al Gore (D) and his fellows contested the results all the way to the Supreme Court before conceding.

    Hillary Clinton openly advocated for a losing presidential candidate to not accept the election results. Hillary’s exact words were, “Joe Biden should not concede [the election] under any circumstances … he will win if we don’t give an inch…”

    What's good for the goose; is good for the gander.

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  5. We never have waited for the Congress to count the ballots to determine who the next Prea. This election is not even close, even electoral college good chance Biden will have same number of votes with bigger in the case states than the self proclaimed landslide winner Trump of 2016

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  6. It wa Bush who appealed the case to USSC, Florida had ordered a recount

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  7. We have never had an election, where there were such widespread allegations of fraud.

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  8. trump stated before the election he could only lose if election was rigged. he had no proof. widespread doesnt mean the claims are valid. And he not produced evidence that there was widescale fraud - in fact the states deny there was

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  9. The courts will decide if his claims are valid.
    Let's wait and see.
    Meanwhile, no official sources have called the election for Biden.

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  10. During the first presidential debate between President Donald Trump and Joe Biden, Chris Wallace of Fox News asked Biden if he would “pledge not to declare victory until the election is independently certified,” to which the former vice president answered, “yes.”

    Biden, however, has done nothing of the sort, as he has since carried on as if he is president-elect, promising that “we’re going to get right to work,” as he seemingly ignores the fact that the 2020 presidential election has not yet been independently certified.

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  11. Proud Conservative MomNovember 11, 2020 at 9:39 PM

    Details, details....

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  12. Proud Conservative MomNovember 11, 2020 at 9:40 PM

    Recent evidence has come to light, that these shenanigans have been transpiring for several years, already.

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  13. In US the election gets certified, when elector ballots are counted Jan 6 in a Joint Session of Congress. Everyone is called President elect when the it is known that according to publicly available data that the person will receive votes of electors enough to become President. Biden has passed that level.

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  14. OAN and Hannity, Carlson and Ingrahsm are Fake News and don't have to fear any repercussions for their lies

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  15. Really official when Joint Houses of Congress count ballots, but even Secret Service is treating Biden as President elect.
    Daas Torah correct.

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  16. really anybody other than Trump believes this?

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  17. Proud Conservative MomNovember 11, 2020 at 10:52 PM

    Do you not comprehend the evidence?

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  18. Proud Conservative MomNovember 11, 2020 at 10:52 PM

    Very often, indeed!!

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  19. Biden is acting according the standard practice of both Democrats and Republicans. Trump is the first president in anyone's memory to deny the reality of the election, Did Biden say he would wait until the Congress official announced the winner?

    Please provide a link!

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  20. no I don't.

    Please explain the evidence and also why the courts are rejecting it - they also seem to have a problem with the "evidence"

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  21. https://draft.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/7309929059139673041/5280220906536603643

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  22. Proud Conservative MomNovember 11, 2020 at 11:28 PM

    I do not have the time to post a long dissertation.

    For starters, read The Bongino Report.

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  23. Proud Conservative MomNovember 11, 2020 at 11:29 PM

    Your point, please?

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  24. Proud Conservative MomNovember 11, 2020 at 11:39 PM

    You are taking CNN's "reporting" as evidence?!๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿคฃ
    CNN, is part of The Fake News!!

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  25. Joe Biden promised he would NOT declare victory until all the votes were counted and the election was independently certified.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1miwDWst-IQ

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  26. According to publicly available information, there are widespread allegations of fraud. When these allegations are settled, we will know who has received the requisite number of electors to become President.

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  27. There are not widespread allegations of fraud, even Republican controlled states have denied widespread fraud. It is the deranged imagination of DJT and those who insist on kowtowing to the bully who has gone against Americasn democratic traditions since he became President

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  28. Torah thought on ื—ื™ื™ ืฉืจื”
    “Abraham accepted Ephron’s terms ื•ื™ืฉืžืข ืื‘ืจื”ื ืืœ ืืคืจื•ืŸ. Abraham paid out ื•ื™ืฉืงืœ to Ephron the money ื”ื›ืกืฃ that he had named in the hearing of the Hittites—four hundred shekels of silver at the going merchants’ rate ืขื‘ืจ ืœืกื—ืจ. So Ephron’s land ื•ื™ืงื ืฉื“ื” ืขืคืจื•ืŸ in Machpelah, near Mamre—the field and the cave which was therein, and all the trees that were in the field, that were in all the border thereof round about, were made sure, passed to Abraham as his possession ืœืื‘ืจื”ื ืœืžืงื ื”, in the presence of the Hittites, of all who entered the gate of his town [i.e., all his fellow townsmen] ื‘ื›ืœ ื‘ืื™ ืฉืขืจ ืขื™ืจื•. And then Abraham buried his wife Sarah in the cave of the field of Machpelah, facing Mamre—now Hebron—in the land of Canaan. Thus the field with its cave were made sure ื•ื™ืงื ื”ืฉื“ื” ื•ื”ืžืขืจื” ืืฉืจ ื‘ื• unto Abraham for a possession of a burying place ืœืื—ื–ืช ืงื‘ืจ by the Hittites.” (Genesis 23:16-20).
    ื‘ืจืืฉื™ืช ื›"ื’ ื™"ื—
    ืœְืַื‘ְืจָื”ָื ืœְืžִืงְื ָื” ืœְืขֵื™ื ֵื™ ื‘ְื ֵื™ ื—ֵืช ื‘ְּื›ֹืœ ื‘ָּืֵื™ ืฉַׁืขַืจ ืขִื™ืจื•ֹ:
    ืจืฉ"ื™
    ื‘ื›ืœ ื‘ืื™ ืฉืขืจ ืขื™ืจื• - ื‘ืงืจื‘ ื›ื•ืœื ื•ื‘ืžืขืžื“ ื›ื•ืœื ื”ืงื ื”ื• ืœื•:
    Hertz Chumas p. 82: “For generations, nay centuries, the children of Israel were to have no point of fixity save the sepulcher of the Patriarchs. The Cave of the Machpelah is regarded with immense veneration by the Mohammedans, who built a large mosque over it, and until recently altogether excluded both Jews and Christians from viewing it. A visit is still fraught with considerable difficulty for a Jew.”
    Abraham paid out the 400 large silver coins to Ephron and buried Sarah in the Cave of the Machpelah before all the people of the Hittites. I like the repetition ื•ื™ืงื ืฉื“ื” ืขืคืจื•ืŸ and ืœืื‘ืจื”ื ืœืžืงื ื” ืœืขื™ื ื™ ื‘ื ื™ ื—ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื‘ืื™ ืฉืขืจ ืขื™ืจื• and
    ื•ื™ืงื ื”ืฉื“ื” ื•ื”ืžืขืจื” ืืฉืจ ื‘ื• ืœืื‘ืจื”ื
    Was there fake news and hostile media in Abraham’s time? Abraham was king. Abraham made efforts to make certain that Abraham and his descendants (us today) own that property for ever. Beautiful.

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  29. Torah thought on ื—ื™ื™ ืฉืจื”
    “Abraham accepted Ephron’s terms ื•ื™ืฉืžืข ืื‘ืจื”ื ืืœ ืืคืจื•ืŸ. Abraham paid out ื•ื™ืฉืงืœ to Ephron the money ื”ื›ืกืฃ that he had named in the hearing of the Hittites—four hundred shekels of silver at the going merchants’ rate ืขื‘ืจ ืœืกื—ืจ. So Ephron’s land ื•ื™ืงื ืฉื“ื” ืขืคืจื•ืŸ in Machpelah, near Mamre—the field and the cave which was therein, and all the trees that were in the field, that were in all the border thereof round about, were made sure, passed to Abraham as his possession ืœืื‘ืจื”ื ืœืžืงื ื”, in the presence of the Hittites, of all who entered the gate of his town [i.e., all his fellow townsmen] ื‘ื›ืœ ื‘ืื™ ืฉืขืจ ืขื™ืจื•. And then Abraham buried his wife Sarah in the cave of the field of Machpelah, facing Mamre—now Hebron—in the land of Canaan. Thus the field with its cave were made sure ื•ื™ืงื ื”ืฉื“ื” ื•ื”ืžืขืจื” ืืฉืจ ื‘ื• unto Abraham for a possession of a burying place ืœืื—ื–ืช ืงื‘ืจ by the Hittites.” (Genesis 23:16-20).
    ื‘ืจืืฉื™ืช ื›"ื’ ื™"ื—
    ืœְืַื‘ְืจָื”ָื ืœְืžִืงְื ָื” ืœְืขֵื™ื ֵื™ ื‘ְื ֵื™ ื—ֵืช ื‘ְּื›ֹืœ ื‘ָּืֵื™ ืฉַׁืขַืจ ืขִื™ืจื•ֹ:
    ืจืฉ"ื™
    ื‘ื›ืœ ื‘ืื™ ืฉืขืจ ืขื™ืจื• - ื‘ืงืจื‘ ื›ื•ืœื ื•ื‘ืžืขืžื“ ื›ื•ืœื ื”ืงื ื”ื• ืœื•:
    Hertz Chumash p. 82: “For generations, nay centuries, the children of Israel were to have no point of fixity save the sepulcher of the Patriarchs. The Cave of the Machpelah is regarded with immense veneration by the Mohammedans, who built a large mosque over it, and until recently altogether excluded both Jews and Christians from viewing it. A visit is still fraught with considerable difficulty for a Jew.”
    Abraham paid out the 400 large silver coins to Ephron and buried Sarah in the Cave of the Machpelah before all the people of the Hittites. I like the repetition ื•ื™ืงื ืฉื“ื” ืขืคืจื•ืŸ and ืœืื‘ืจื”ื ืœืžืงื ื” ืœืขื™ื ื™ ื‘ื ื™ ื—ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื‘ืื™ ืฉืขืจ ืขื™ืจื• and
    ื•ื™ืงื ื”ืฉื“ื” ื•ื”ืžืขืจื” ืืฉืจ ื‘ื• ืœืื‘ืจื”ื
    Were there fake news and hostile media in Abraham’s time? Abraham was king. Abraham made efforts to make certain that Abraham and his descendants (us today) own that property for ever. Beautiful.

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  30. Wow you really follow Trump's edict not to follow the evidence of your eyes.
    Trump declared CNN fake news while he continues lying about everything!

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  31. Proud Conservative MomNovember 12, 2020 at 12:57 PM

    Tragically, you are very blinded.
    If I would build a legal case, using your "evidence", the judge would very rightfully, tear a huge strip off of my hide!

    You give tremendous credence to: "There are none so blind, as those who refuse to see!" ๐Ÿ™„

    You are the first Orthodox Jew that I know of, in a very long time, who still votes for the Democrats.

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  32. Proud Conservative MomNovember 12, 2020 at 12:58 PM

    P.S., WHY DO ALL OF THE GEDOLIM PRAISE PRESIDENT TRUMP, IF YOU ARE CORRECT?!

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  33. The question is on them not on me.
    You clearly have not been following this blog

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  34. Wow so that is proof?!
    You might be aware of gedolim supporting Hitler or saying not to worry about the Nazis

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  35. Proud Conservative MomNovember 12, 2020 at 1:28 PM

    Kindly use citations. I am a huge student of Jewish History. Where does it say this?!

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  36. Proud Conservative MomNovember 12, 2020 at 1:29 PM

    Of course not!! I am relatively new to it.
    I do follow, IsraelReader's postings. That is precisely, how I discovered your blog.

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  37. Glad to hear you are a fan of Jewish history but your knowledge seems a bit weak. What exactly do you want citations regarding fallibility of gedolim or support of hitler

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  38. Proud Conservative MomNovember 12, 2020 at 2:04 PM

    Kindly quote me who allegedly said what.
    I am a huge fan of Judaism, as a whole.

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  39. Proud Conservative MomNovember 12, 2020 at 2:09 PM

    P.S., I would be very careful of disparaging Gedolim. One never needs any prosecuting angels, to be on their "tail."

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  40. Ridiculous argument. I personally am right wing. That doesn't mean it is sacrelige to vote democrat. Perhaps mistaken, but thats about it.

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  41. Wow

    p.s. pointing out clear errors in judgment, allowing child abuse, that they are producing mamzerim is disparaging gedolim?! - it is simply a question of truth.
    Or are you saying it is dangerous to tell to acknowledge that they can make mistakes - despite the Torah commanding such awareness
    Or are you saying that they are like Trump and can even kill someone on 5th avenue in broad daylight and we are not to comment?!

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  42. Proud Conservative MomNovember 12, 2020 at 2:50 PM

    I wish you only the best of health...

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