Rabbi Nota Greenblatt married Tamar Epstein to Adam Fleischer. Upon learning about the marriage, I called Rabbi Nota Greenblatt.
I wanted to know if Aharon Friedman, Tamar's husband, still had to give Tamar a Get.
Rabbi Greenblatt told me that Aharon still had to give Tamar a Get. I wanted to explore that logic with Rabbi Greenblatt. I didn't get too far.
"Listen to the Gadolim!" he forcefully exhorted me.
End of conversation.
So, I called up Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky. The man considered by many to be the greatest Gadol in America.
He told me that I could rely on Rabbi Greenblatt as far as the legitimacy of the marriage of Tamar Epstein to Adam Fleischer. Rabbi Kamenetsky also told me that I can rely on Rabbi Dovid Feinstein as far as the illegitimacy of the marriage of Tamar Epstein to Adam Fleischer. (The recording of that conversation can be found elsewhere on this blog.)
So, let's listen to the Gadolim.
Rabbi Greenblatt identified for me the doctor whose testimony, Rabbi Greenblatt said, laid the foundation for the granting of the Heter to Tamar to remarry.
And we are told we may rely on Rabbi Greenblatt.
Yet, according to Rabbi Feinstein, Tamar and Adam are cohabiting in a way contradictory to Halacha.
So, we are going to leverage the identity of the doctor to nullify the Heter and/or Tamar and Adam's association. (Based on the advice of one of my lawyer's, I am using the term "association", a euphemism, so as not to expose myself to a lawsuit.)
No one can accuse me now of not listening to the Gadolim
I wanted to know if Aharon Friedman, Tamar's husband, still had to give Tamar a Get.
Rabbi Greenblatt told me that Aharon still had to give Tamar a Get. I wanted to explore that logic with Rabbi Greenblatt. I didn't get too far.
"Listen to the Gadolim!" he forcefully exhorted me.
End of conversation.
So, I called up Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky. The man considered by many to be the greatest Gadol in America.
He told me that I could rely on Rabbi Greenblatt as far as the legitimacy of the marriage of Tamar Epstein to Adam Fleischer. Rabbi Kamenetsky also told me that I can rely on Rabbi Dovid Feinstein as far as the illegitimacy of the marriage of Tamar Epstein to Adam Fleischer. (The recording of that conversation can be found elsewhere on this blog.)
So, let's listen to the Gadolim.
Rabbi Greenblatt identified for me the doctor whose testimony, Rabbi Greenblatt said, laid the foundation for the granting of the Heter to Tamar to remarry.
And we are told we may rely on Rabbi Greenblatt.
Yet, according to Rabbi Feinstein, Tamar and Adam are cohabiting in a way contradictory to Halacha.
So, we are going to leverage the identity of the doctor to nullify the Heter and/or Tamar and Adam's association. (Based on the advice of one of my lawyer's, I am using the term "association", a euphemism, so as not to expose myself to a lawsuit.)
No one can accuse me now of not listening to the Gadolim
The Torah promises us the opposite of this:
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"An increase in secularisation by one unit corresponded to an average £800 increase in GDP per capita within a decade, a £2,000 increase within 20 years and a £4,000 increase within 30."
Not even Lewis Carroll would be able to make sense of the Gadolim.
ReplyDeleteIf only one could laugh.
“Rabbi Greenblatt identified for me the doctor whose testimony, Rabbi Greenblatt said, laid the foundation for the granting of the Heter to Tamar to remarry.”
ReplyDelete“A man marries a woman and cohabits with her. Then he takes an aversion to her and makes up charges against her and defames her, saying, I married this woman; but when I approached her, I found that she was not a virgin. In such a case, the girl’s father and mother shall produce the evidence of the girl’s virginity before the elders of the town at the gate. And the girl’s father shall say to the elders, I gave this man my daughter to wife, but he has taken an aversion to her; so he has made up charges, saying, I did not find your daughter a virgin. But here is the evidence of my daughter’s virginity! And they shall spread out the cloth before the elders of the town. The elders of that town shall then take the man and flog him, and they shall fine him a hundred [shekels of] silver and give it to the girl’s father; for the man has defamed a virgin in Israel. Moreover, she shall remain his wife; he shall never have the right to divorce her. But if the charge proves true, the girl was found not to have been a virgin, then the girl shall be brought out to the entrance of her father’s house, and the men of her town shall stone her to death; for she did a shameful thing in Israel, committing fornication while under her father’s authority. Thus you will sweep away evil from your midst” (Deuteronomy 22:13-21).
Hertz Chumash starts his discussion: “13-21 Charges Against a Bride He who falsely accuses his wife of unchastity during betrothal shall be rebuked, fined, and he loses the right ever to divorce her.”
Tamar falsely accused Aaron that he was insane at the time of their marriage. She brings a professional medical doctor to testify on her behalf. We need Aaron’s father and mother to bring evidence to the bet din that the doctor’s testimony is a made-up charge (inappropriate and unnecessary, false etc) to justify to free Tamar.
Hertz Chumash says: “The man had entered on marriage merely for the satisfaction of his passions, and then turned against his wife by a revulsion of feeling frequent in such characters…”
I say that Tamar entered into marriage with Aaron merely to have one baby from him and then she turned against Aaron by a revulsion frequent in such characters…
We take the place of Aaron’s father and mother and are determined to produce evidence that Aaron’s innocence of the false charge that he was insane at the time of the marriage.
Susan, too, married me only to have children from me, then she turned against me by a revulsion frequent in such characters… I was smart. I divorced Susan 2/17/1993 and married Yemmima 5/9/1993. Susan puts in a false 1995 Rigler Order of Separation to back her false charge that I’m a deadbeat dad. Follow, Eddie and Yehoshua? Susan backs Tamar with a similar false charge etc.
Down the rabbi(t) hole.
ReplyDeleteI'm not connected with any of these people, Gerald.
ReplyDelete"So, I called up Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky. The man considered by many to be the greatest Gadol in America."
ReplyDeleteHe cannot be the greatest Gadol in America since he himself, in letter to Rabbi Weiss, identifies RDF as Rosh Haposkim in America. ( Unless greatest Gadol is not greatest Posek?) Nevertheless, when it came to obtain a heter, RNG was more than sufficient. Even when RDF prohibited, one can rely on RNG, who apparently relied on "The man considered by many to be the greatest Gadol in America."
Alice in Wonderland indeed
You have redeemed yourself by upvoting my Alice in Wonderland allusion.
ReplyDelete(You know who you are.)
that was an easy heter!
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ReplyDeleteויענו הנשים לאמר: מן אז חדלנו לקטר למלכת השמים והסך לה נסכים "חסרנו כל" ובחרב וברעב תמנו. וכי אנחנו מקטרים למלכת השמים ולהסך לה נסכים ?...
ReplyDeleteמלבי"ם על ירמיהו מד: "ומן אז חדלנו לקטר חסרנו כל", וא"כ הורה הנסיון הפך דבריך
Thought it was mine.
ReplyDelete“So, we are going to leverage the identity of the doctor to nullify the Heter and/or Tamar and Adam's association”
ReplyDeleteI keep thinking of “A man marries a woman and cohabits with her. Then he takes an aversion to her and makes up charges against her and defames her…” (Deuteronomy 22:13-21). I have a theory. This man is a homosexual/bisexual which the wife knew at the time of the betrothal and the writing of the ketubah contract promising her a large payment in the event of divorce.
I’m spending a few days in a hotel in Jerusalem with my wife Yemima and we’re watching local TV. Wow, so much on TV about 2 lesbian ladies with a new born baby who demand rights of a married couple! Yemima says worse when 2 homo fellows demand rights of a married couple with a new born baby.
My theory is that lesbians and homos take an aversion if they are with the opposite sex for too long for them to bear. Then they start war, e,g. to make up charges and defame the other. Why should Tamar do a ridiculous and obviously phony professional medical doctor report etc??
"Curiouser and curiouser." Disqus indicates otherwise.
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ReplyDeleteMy theory. She knew his character before the betrothal and before the writing of the ketuba promising her a large sum should he divorce her. Perhaps he comes from a wealthy family and has the wherewithal to pay, say $2,000,000.
ReplyDeleteIt comes down to a fight over money! He violated the commitment, understanding etc so he has to pay. He loves money so much that he’ll never allow her access to his family’s money and so will stay married. They have a baby and will raise the baby together. This explains.
”In such a case, the girl’s father and mother shall produce the evidence of the girl’s virginity before the elders of the town at the gate.” She and her family are poor and they want the money from his family should he divorce her.
“The elders of that town shall then take the man and flog him, and they shall fine him a hundred [shekels of] silver and give it to the girl’s father; for the man has defamed a virgin in Israel. Moreover, she shall remain his wife; he shall never have the right to divorce her “
Wow “he shall never have the right to divorce her,” that is without paying her $2,000,000 and she getting access to his family’s fortune Follow, Susan and Yehoshua? Tamar will do anything to keep Aaron from getting access to her family’s fortune. This includes making up phony charges against Aaron. I support Joseph Orlow 100%.
At the risk of trying to do something impossible before I've had breakfast, I'll try to explain:
ReplyDelete1. I wrote the comment, "Down the rabbi(t)" hole as a reply to your Lewis Carroll comment.
2. Someone (not you) upvoted the comment. I had previous placed a Disqus "ban" on this commenter. I hinted to him that the ban was lifted.
3. He replied, but since then his reply is gone, disappeared like a cheshire cat.
4. Then you wrote, "I thought it was mine." Which I took to mean that you were saying that the one upvote on the comment was from you.
5. So I went back and checked, and it wasn't. So the whole thing was getting curiouser and....
why not 6?
ReplyDeleteSeems we have all gone mad.
Tell us, please, which way we ought to go from here.
No idea. Best I can do is just keep writing and calling, and with all that I'm just staying in place.
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