From the names of the Dayanim in the Haifa case, they sound very much Sephardic and North African (eg Morrocco, Tunisia etc). I don't believe that 200 or 300 years ago, the Rabbis of Morroco or the Middle East would send emails or faxes to Lithuania, asking for permission before conducting marriages, divorces or dealing with halachic problems that arise from them. Why should they now?
You mentioned that RMF's grandson CONTINUES to do so. Other than an article from 20 years ago, do you have proof that he continues to do so today (especially in light of the fact that he was reportedly defrocked by leading rabbis)?
Also, a careful reading of the article will show, that despite the article lumping together MT, in the same breath as Rackman's post facto "annulments", MT's approach was not technically an annulment. His modus operandi was using normative halacha to determine that there was some technical flaw in the ceremony, ergo there was never any valid Kiddushin, so there actually is nothing to annul. That is a far cry from Rackman's radical departure from normative halacha.
I remembered that in this article he said he does a few every year, i just didn't know what year it was from. I am not getting involved in his own personal perversions of defrocking,
If he's doing anything that involves halacha and the community, then he seems to be operating under the radar. I could find any recent mention of him on Google. However I could be wrong.
Despite all the new publications of RMF's Torah, it does not seem that MT is actively involved in arranging or editing the material. See this interesting interview from nearly a year ago: Rav Moshe’s Legacy Continues http://www.5tjt.com/rav-moshes-legacy-continues/
I'm sure that your comment was made tongue in cheek. But after thinking about it, I realized that you're actually correct. Both involve perversions of the same nature.
One form of the perversion, is being sexually involved with someone who is not your wife.
The other form of perversion, is perverting the Torah by issuing an annulment not 100% in accordance with halacha, which ultimately leads to the some form of adultery.
The difference being, that in the first case, the person knows deep down that they're doing something wrong. Whereas in the second form, the adulterers have no guilt feelings, since they delude themselves that it was rabbinically sanctioned.
Rav Moshe would do this, and his grandson Continues.
ReplyDeleteWhich grandson? Are you referring to the one who allegedly slept with women who were "Eishis Ish"?
ReplyDeleteRav Moshe would do what, exactly?
ReplyDeletewhich one allegedly was that?
ReplyDeleteFrom the names of the Dayanim in the Haifa case, they sound very much Sephardic and North African (eg Morrocco, Tunisia etc).
ReplyDeleteI don't believe that 200 or 300 years ago, the Rabbis of Morroco or the Middle East would send emails or faxes to Lithuania, asking for permission before conducting marriages, divorces or dealing with halachic problems that arise from them. Why should they now?
No need to spell it out. It shouldn't be too difficult to find it on Google.
ReplyDeleteWhich grandson is doing marriage annulments today?
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Rabbinical-court-voided-marriage-by-invalidating-witness-560554
ReplyDeletethis is an article I posted a few years back , last time there was one of these discussions - Rav Henkin vs. Rav Moshe ztl
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rabbimintz.com/2007/03/articles-and-books/rabbi-henkin-and-the-first-heter-agunot-in-america/
this is an old story about annulments by one of the grandsons - M.T.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.jweekly.com/1998/11/27/orthodox-groups-criticize-2-rabbis-annulling-marriages/
that same name has some scandals attached to it, but also a brother of his A.T also had some scandals.
You mentioned that RMF's grandson CONTINUES to do so.
ReplyDeleteOther than an article from 20 years ago, do you have proof that he continues to do so today (especially in light of the fact that he was reportedly defrocked by leading rabbis)?
Also, a careful reading of the article will show, that despite the article lumping together MT, in the same breath as Rackman's post facto "annulments", MT's approach was not technically an annulment. His modus operandi was using normative halacha to determine that there was some technical flaw in the ceremony, ergo there was never any valid Kiddushin, so there actually is nothing to annul. That is a far cry from Rackman's radical departure from normative halacha.
I remembered that in this article he said he does a few every year, i just didn't know what year it was from. I am not getting involved in his own personal perversions of defrocking,
ReplyDeletehe published this more recently
http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2013/05/mordechai-tendlers-mesores-moshe-what.html
The accuser of that was an unstable woman, under psychiatric treatment, sleeping at the time of accusation with a Black Muslim.
ReplyDeleteHe had MANY accusers.
ReplyDeleteAt least nine women have come forward against him with claims that he used his rabbinic authority to solicit sexual favors.
That is old news.
ReplyDeleteVolume 3 of a projected series was recently printed.
What line of work does that former rabbi engage in these days?
ReplyDeleteso is he still a practicing rabbi or just publishes books in cognito?
ReplyDeleteIf he's doing anything that involves halacha and the community, then he seems to be operating under the radar. I could find any recent mention of him on Google. However I could be wrong.
ReplyDeleteDespite all the new publications of RMF's Torah, it does not seem that MT is actively involved in arranging or editing the material.
See this interesting interview from nearly a year ago:
Rav Moshe’s Legacy Continues
http://www.5tjt.com/rav-moshes-legacy-continues/
Thank you. I'm not defending the man or his brother for their perverse acts. Perhaps you include annulments as perverse acts 😂
ReplyDeleteI'm sure that your comment was made tongue in cheek. But after thinking about it, I realized that you're actually correct. Both involve perversions of the same nature.
ReplyDeleteOne form of the perversion, is being sexually involved with someone who is not your wife.
The other form of perversion, is perverting the Torah by issuing an annulment not 100% in accordance with halacha, which ultimately leads to the some form of adultery.
The difference being, that in the first case, the person knows deep down that they're doing something wrong. Whereas in the second form, the adulterers have no guilt feelings, since they delude themselves that it was rabbinically sanctioned.