Thursday, March 23, 2017

Nunes makes bizarre claim that some Trump transition messages were intercepted


House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes declared Wednesday that members of Donald Trump’s transition team, possibly including Trump himself, were under inadvertent surveillance following November’s presidential election.

The White House and Trump’s allies immediately seized on the statement as vindication of the president’s much-maligned claim that former President Barack Obama wiretapped Trump Tower phones — even though Nunes himself said that’s not what his new information shows.

Democrats, meanwhile, cried foul.

Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the intelligence panel, cast doubt on Nunes’ claims in a fiery statement and blasted the chairman for not first sharing the information with him or other committee members.

Schiff also slammed Nunes for briefing the White House on Wednesday afternoon given that the Intelligence Committee is in the middle of an investigation into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election, including possible collusion with the Trump team.

“The chairman will need to decide whether he is the chairman of an independent investigation into conduct which includes allegations of potential coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russians, or he is going to act as a surrogate of the White House, because he cannot do both,” Schiff said at a news conference Wednesday.

“And unfortunately,” he added, “I think the actions of today throw great doubt into the ability of both the chairman and the committee to conduct the investigation the way it ought to be conducted.”

Nunes set off the firestorm with a news conference earlier in the day in which he described the surveillance of Trump aides through what’s called “incidental collection,” something he noted was routine and legal. Such collection can occur when a person inside the United State communicates with a foreign target of U.S. surveillance. In such cases, the identities of U.S. citizens are supposed to be shielded — but can be “unmasked” by intelligence officials under certain circumstances.

Nunes, himself a Trump transition member, said a “source” had shown him evidence that members of the Trump transition team had been unmasked — and that their identities had been revealed in U.S. intelligence reports. Nunes had previously raised questions about the unmasking of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, whose communications with Russia’s ambassador were intercepted by the U.S. government and whose identity was leaked to the news media.

Nunes suggested this unmasking might have been done for political reasons, saying the evidence he had seen had been widely disseminated across the intelligence community and had "little or no apparent intelligence value." He added that he was trying to get more information by Friday from the FBI, CIA and NSA.

“I have seen intelligence reports that clearly show that the president-elect and his team were, I guess, at least monitored,” the California Republican told reporters. “It looks to me like it was all legally collected, but it was essentially a lot of information on the president-elect and his transition team and what they were doing.” He said the information he had seen was not related to the FBI’s Russia investigation.[...]

Other Democrats also took issue with Nunes’ decision to go straight to Trump.
Rep. Jim Himes, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said Nunes’ trip to the White House “raises all sorts of questions.”

“What if it’s one of the president’s people who is being investigated?” the Connecticut Democrat said in an interview. “Is he going to damage the investigation? It all feels very, very odd.”

Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.), another member of the intelligence panel, said he was “troubled.”

“The House Intelligence Committee is charged with investigating Russia's interference into our election and whether any U.S. persons were involved,” Swalwell said in a statement. “The chairman's actions and closeness to a president whose campaign is under federal investigation have gravely damaged the Investigation's credibility.”

At the White House, press secretary Sean Spicer read from Nunes' statement during a press briefing, showing how eager Trump's team was to amplify the remarks.

A political action committee associated with Trump, the Great America PAC, sent out a mass fundraising email claiming Trump’s wiretapping claims had proved accurate. Donald Trump Jr. also posted a message to Instagram crowing about Nunes’ comments.

12 comments:

  1. The President of the US is entangled in an FBI investigation! This is what his campaign manager had to say before the election.

    https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/status/792172280327630848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2Fentry%2Ftrump-versus-hillary-fbi-investigation_us_58d01a73e4b0ec9d29de2c1e

    Here is what othrs had to say:
    blob:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/8a761812-3985-4965-ac3c-ee454d726f40

    Perhaps they feel differently now that it is Trump on the hot seat.

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  2. what kind of interactions were the Trump team having with individuals worthy of US intelligence surveillance? Were these communications authorised, and what topics did they cover?

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  3. “House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes declared Wednesday that members of Donald Trump’s transition team, possibly including Trump himself, were under inadvertent surveillance following November’s presidential election.”
    See https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-transition-team-communication-was-incidentally-monitored-by-u-s-gop-committee-chairman-says-1490204896
    “Still, Mr. Nunes’s disclosures didn’t prove that there was any surveillance authorized by Mr. Obama or his administration. According to Mr. Nunes, the intercepted communications came in November, December and January—during the period after Mr. Trump won the election but before he was sworn in as president on Jan. 20.”
    This is shaping up like the government surveillance of Hemingway. See http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/20300

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  4. Are you nuts?! Trump claimed that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower. This information is that when people in the Trump campaign/transition team were interacting with foreigners under investigation by the intelligence services, their communications with those people were intercepted. This has nothing to do what what Trump claimed. If anything, it makes it only worse: What exactly were his associates discussing with Russians that were under investigation?

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    Nunes suggested this unmasking might have been done for political reasons, saying the evidence he had seen had been widely disseminated across the intelligence community and had "little or no apparent intelligence value." He added that he was trying to get more information by Friday from the FBI, CIA and NSA.
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    Supports claims made that there was a politically motivated vendetta. Yup.

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  6. supports claim - what supports the claim Trump's false claims?

    He didn't claim that he had evidence to support Trump's claim that he was targeted by Obama
    He said that legal surveillance of certain foreign elements of necessity included the Trump associates that they were talking with.
    The supposed vindication of Trump was the fact that Nunes claimed he was able to identify the Trump associates from the secret report - even though an attempt was made to disguise their identity. This is no vindication!

    so the surveillance was part of a legal authorized operation and there is no indication that there was any political vendetta involved. The only complaint was that Nunes didn't think the Trump's associates identity was adequately disguised.

    What should be of greater concern to you is that Nunes is in the middle of an investigation of Trump and his campaign. And in the middle of that confidential investigation he proudly runs off to the White House to tell Trump about details that are vaguely related to Trump's lies about Obama. He even gives a news conferences about the supposed vindication.

    Is he investigating Trump or is he Trump's defense team? You can't have it both ways.

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  7. Even if one were to grant that what you claim is true, that has nothing to do with Trump. He did not tweet "There is a politically motivated vendetta whereby my associates who are cavorting with suspicious foreigners had their identities unmasked in intelligence reports." He tweeted that Obama, a sick/bad man, had Trump Tower wiretapped. That is totally false by all accounts.

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  8. Headline is misleading. There is nothing bizarre about the claim.

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  9. Did Obama order the surveillance on Trump in November, December, January ?
    See: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-news-from-nunes-1490294591?cx_campaign=poptart&mod=cx_poptart#cxrecs_s
    “House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes (R., Calif.) told a gathering of reporters on Capitol Hill yesterday that “on numerous occasions, the Intelligence Community incidentally collected information about U.S. citizens involved in the Trump transition. Details about U.S. persons associated with the incoming administration—details with little or no apparent foreign intelligence value—were widely disseminated in intelligence community reporting.” He added that “additional names of Trump transition team members were unmasked,” meaning that the government did not necessarily protect the privacy of the individuals about whom information was “incidentally” collected. According to the House intel chair, none of the information even had anything to do with Russia. Mr. Nunes also said that all the information appeared to be collected legally under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, but that such activity, reflected in what he said were “dozens” of intelligence reports he recently viewed, caused him to be “alarmed.”…Mr. Nunes said yesterday that his committee would “thoroughly investigate this surveillance and its subsequent dissemination to determine,” among other things, who ordered it and “why it was not disclosed to Congress.”

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