Great reading, further on Pacer 11/2/2016: “Judge Wolfson also recognized, as the Government argued in its pretrial motions, that the defendants appeared intent on trying to put the victims on trial and shift the jury’s attention from their own alleged misconduct to that of the “scoundrel” victims. Cloaked in religious garb, the defendants attempted to claim that their motives were pure, and they selflessly wanted only to help the poor religious women in their community who were unjustly “chained” by their scoundrel husbands. As the Government and Judge Wolfson accurately anticipated, the defendants made a sustained play throughout the trial for jury sympathy and nullification.”
Further reading “In the Orthodox Jewish faith, a woman cannot obtain a religious divorce without her husband’s permission, which must be memorialized in a formal document called a get…” Ha! The Greenblatt-Kamenitsky and supporters can’t say out loud that the civil divorce over the husband’s objections is בדיעבד enough to free her. Why? Then no more phony agunot, just the regular agunot where the man disappeared.
More from 11/2/2016 Pacer: “Rabbi Ralbag testified on direct and cross-examination that: a woman whose husband does not grant her a get is a “chained woman” who can never remarry or have sexual relations with another man, and any children she has without a get are “mamzers” (bastards), JA1901-02; a man who refuses to grant a get to his wife is a scoundrel, JA1901; it is a mitzvah (a religious commandment) to free an agunah, JA1878;”
Further: “Finally, Rabbi Howard Jachter, Stimler’s witness, testified that: “barring extraordinary circumstances,” an Orthodox Jewish wife cannot divorce without her husband’s consent, JA3629, 3637; Orthodox Jews have an affirmative religious duty to help unchain an agunah, JA3640; “very often,” Rabbi Jachter has been able to convince recalcitrant husbands to grant a get that they were not inclined to give, JA3638;”
It is a Mitzvah haba'a beAveirah. Even an Etrog doesn't cost 60 K a pop, that is Highway Robbery, and a Etrog hagozul you cannot be Yoitze. The children of such bought bogus Gittin from scoundrels for hire will be Etrogim lemehadrin!!! So much for leshem matzas Mitzvah.
While dealing with all these false Gittin, whether Meusse or mekach tauches, we yet have to deal with all these Etrogim that have been brought into this world through them. They were matriach the Boire Olam leyatser tzurat mamzerim. All these bnei avlo can sit ad sheyomus Kohen Godol/yireh ad sheyistaev, or ad bias Yinon velo yeda'avun od.
Pacer: “Case: 15-4095 Document: 003112424991 Page: 1 Date Filed: 10/03/2016 UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE THIRD CIRCUIT Nos. 15-4053, 15-4094 & 15-4095 United States v. Stimler United States v. Goldstein United States v. Epstein Appellants’ reply briefs, if any, in all three cases must be filed within fourteen (14) days of the date of filing of Appellee’s brief or November 10, 2016, whichever is later.” Suggestion: Epstein, Stimler and Goldstein in their reply briefs due in less than 2 weeks should express remorse and state they errored and now proclaim, contrary to what they believed before their arrest: There is no affirmative duty to help a woman seeking a get from a husband who is alive and well and refuses to divorce her. Very often Epstein, Stimler and Goldstein were wrong to convince husbands, even without force, to give a get to recalcitrant husbands. They now believe that a man and his wife fighting is like 2 dogs fighting, outsider should stay away or they’ll get bit “A passerby who gets embroiled in someone else’s quarrel Is like one who seizes a dog by its ears” (Proverbs 26:17). A man who refuses to give his wife a get is not necessarily a scoundrel. One must hear fully his side of the matter before determining if he is indeed a scoundrel.
For the sake of honesty and maybe to help Epstein, Stimler and Goldstein, I suggest that, , Ralbag and Jachter express similar remorse and state that they erred and take back their testimony. Ralbag and Jachter should shut-down ORA and all similar. They should start shamming rebellious wives. This would the תקון for all their shamming recalcitrant husbands without hearing out fully the husband’s side and with intervening excessively.
Yes indeed, apologize with compensation. For a whole host of transgressions, Tamar being a Moredes, Siruv of BBD, Eloping with a Paramour a/k/a/ A *SOTEH* mideoraisa, having two husbands of which goes on for every *moment and every time* she is told to depart but she doesn't, gzeirus Yichud, no Get nor Kidushin kedechiyavt mideoraysa, Falsification of reports with Eidus Sheker, Lo sa'aneh bereiacha Eid Shoker, Motzi Shem Ra, Hiring hoodlums and Goons of Anshei Bliya'al uBnei Avlo to raise hands and hit a nefesh beYisrael, orrur makeh re'ehu baseser, Veorav lo vekom olov with mischaven lehorgo urtzocho nofesh, intent to kill, Kidnapping of his child against ruling of BBD and Dinei Demalchussei, Lo Sonu ish es amiso - zu anoas dvorim, Not following Protocol of Get Krisus while screaming Kozak haNigzal (Shame on you ORA veSiyato, uMatir Assurim Ochrei Yisrael), Mesayea lidei ovrei Aveirah not letting Ahron mispalllel in Mikdash Me'at as well as his Daughter (shame on you), Yoredet lechayov taking away his Parnassah, Putting someone wrongfully in cherem that will only boomerang, lifnei iver lo siten michshol - orrur mashge iver baderech - barring Mr. Adam from having legitimate children of Pru uRvu while living in sin, along a whole host of others. Having all this baggage, she still dreams of doing much better. Aha, we see your situation how much better, living like outcasts and fugitives shunned by the Gedoilei Olam form all over the World, tembel beribua! Thanks to you your good friends and shoshvinim, a payback for your Dear beloved Father zichrono livracha, that did soooo much good for the Yeshiva.
The Goons Ba'alei Egrofin veYadayim yedei Eisov aren't trailing much behind Tamar. Yodeichem mleim dam of so many other Fathers and Husbands that you be'Avled, Submerging heads in mayim asher ein lohem sof (waterboarding), Breaking skulls and bones with baseball bats and Karate chops, Bloodied in such cruel manner koshos veachzoriyos like the Kozak's in the Pgrom's, breaking up Botim BeYisrael without mercy, Stealing their life's toil, amoleinu - zu habonim vehabonois, for what? For ahava$ *momon*, velo mipnei sinas Mordechai, splitting the $hochad $halmonim Pie of 60K per pop amongst all the maschisim umechablim, with the Lion's share going to the *Vayovo Hapolit rescuer of mankind* ProdFather hayadua leshimtza SHARYA. And Yes, everything done leshem matzos mitzva, while throwing the Fathers, as a Matzo in Oiven bekivshon hoesh, Y.S.V. And then they call themselves *the rescuers and life savers of the so called self-made, self-declared Agunos. Why don't you go to the negotiating table, and let your husbands share the nachas of the Trio's produce. Shlosho shutfim beodom, Hashem, together with the Husband makes it two against one. If you will 'fargin' in sharing, you don't have to sit away as a mislabeled Agunah. You much rather are called a Moredes, good for nothing. Sof ganav letliyah, you got stung, caught, brought to justice, and now rot away in jail. You all can now give Gittin to your own wives as bor koroh veyachperehu veyipol beshachas.... This is only miktzas shvocho, there are many more transgressions in your luggage that you will pay for. If you only know what's good for you, go ask mechila from Bore kol Olamim for taking part in creating mamzeirim, from all the paining Husbands and Fathers, from their children you have ripped from their loving arms, Eishes Ish etc. etc. and wish you good luck if they can ever find in their hearts to be moichel. Veal kaelu ne'emar, tov shelo nivra mishenivra!!!
I agree with Ehud here. Epstein, Stimler and Goldstein have less than 2 weeks to change their defense before the appeal court. If they stay with the same defense strategy they risk the appeal court will be worse than Judge Freda, Heaven forbid. Judge Freda is Jewish and was angry at the Jachter and Ralbag claims “a man who refuses to grant a get to his wife is a scoundrel, JA1901; it is a mitzvah (a religious commandment) to free an agunah, JA1878.” Judge Freda ruled “heinous…” Tamar is clearly a rebellious wife. Greenblatt-Kamenitsky fake heter and supporters think that they’re helping Mendel Epstein et al in his appeal. This is why they’re quiet now. They would help Mendel Epstein et al by apologizing to Aaron with compensation and apologizing to other men they mistreated with the Jachter and Ralbag false and heinous rule that a man who refuses to grant a get to his wife is a scoundrel.
Not only rebellious, but destructive as well. She wants out, for no good reason, and does not want to share their daughter either. That is eating the cake and have it too. Lola has to learn that there are no free lunches, no *chapperlech*, and you must pay your dues. Pulling out a white dove from a black hat, will not fly, nor an Ace from under your sleeve. There is also a special Knass, for not to be a choite veniskar. She cornered herself into a lose, lose, lose tough position. Beg for forgiveness, depart, and start from Adam all over again, ulay yerachem. No, not that kind of Bnei Adam yoshvei choshech.
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ReplyDeleteGreat reading, further on Pacer 11/2/2016:
ReplyDelete“Judge Wolfson also recognized, as the Government argued in its pretrial motions, that the defendants appeared intent on trying to put the victims on trial and shift the jury’s attention from their own alleged misconduct to that of the “scoundrel” victims. Cloaked in religious garb, the defendants attempted to claim that their motives were pure, and they selflessly wanted only to help the poor religious women in their community who were unjustly “chained” by their scoundrel husbands. As the Government and Judge Wolfson accurately anticipated, the defendants made a sustained play throughout the trial for jury sympathy and nullification.”
Further reading “In the Orthodox Jewish faith, a woman cannot obtain a religious divorce without her husband’s permission, which must be memorialized in a formal document called a get…” Ha! The Greenblatt-Kamenitsky and supporters can’t say out loud that the civil divorce over the husband’s objections is בדיעבד enough to free her. Why? Then no more phony agunot, just the regular agunot where the man disappeared.
ReplyDeleteMore from 11/2/2016 Pacer:
ReplyDelete“Rabbi Ralbag testified on direct and cross-examination that:
a woman whose husband does not grant her a get is a “chained woman” who can never remarry or have sexual relations with another man, and any children she has without a get are “mamzers” (bastards), JA1901-02;
a man who refuses to grant a get to his wife is a scoundrel, JA1901;
it is a mitzvah (a religious commandment) to free an agunah, JA1878;”
Further:
ReplyDelete“Finally, Rabbi Howard Jachter, Stimler’s witness, testified that:
“barring extraordinary circumstances,” an Orthodox Jewish wife cannot divorce without her husband’s consent, JA3629, 3637;
Orthodox Jews have an affirmative religious duty to help unchain an agunah, JA3640;
“very often,” Rabbi Jachter has been able to convince recalcitrant husbands to grant a get that they were not inclined to give, JA3638;”
It is a Mitzvah haba'a beAveirah. Even an Etrog doesn't cost 60 K a pop, that is Highway Robbery, and a Etrog hagozul you cannot be Yoitze. The children of such bought bogus Gittin from scoundrels for hire will be Etrogim lemehadrin!!! So much for leshem matzas Mitzvah.
ReplyDeleteWhile dealing with all these false Gittin, whether Meusse or mekach tauches, we yet have to deal with all these Etrogim that have been brought into this world through them. They were matriach the Boire Olam leyatser tzurat mamzerim. All these bnei avlo can sit ad sheyomus Kohen Godol/yireh ad sheyistaev, or ad bias Yinon velo yeda'avun od.
Pacer: “Case: 15-4095 Document: 003112424991 Page: 1 Date Filed: 10/03/2016
ReplyDeleteUNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE THIRD CIRCUIT
Nos. 15-4053, 15-4094 & 15-4095
United States v. Stimler
United States v. Goldstein
United States v. Epstein Appellants’ reply briefs, if
any, in all three cases must be filed within fourteen (14) days of the date of filing of
Appellee’s brief or November 10, 2016, whichever is later.”
Suggestion: Epstein, Stimler and Goldstein in their reply briefs due in less than 2 weeks should express remorse and state they errored and now proclaim, contrary to what they believed before their arrest:
There is no affirmative duty to help a woman seeking a get from a husband who is alive and well and refuses to divorce her.
Very often Epstein, Stimler and Goldstein were wrong to convince husbands, even without force, to give a get to recalcitrant husbands. They now believe that a man and his wife fighting is like 2 dogs fighting, outsider should stay away or they’ll get bit “A passerby who gets embroiled in someone else’s quarrel Is like one who seizes a dog by its ears” (Proverbs 26:17).
A man who refuses to give his wife a get is not necessarily a scoundrel. One must hear fully his side of the matter before determining if he is indeed a scoundrel.
For the sake of honesty and maybe to help Epstein, Stimler and Goldstein, I suggest that, , Ralbag and Jachter express similar remorse and state that they erred and take back their testimony. Ralbag and Jachter should shut-down ORA and all similar. They should start shamming rebellious wives. This would the תקון for all their shamming recalcitrant husbands without hearing out fully the husband’s side and with intervening excessively.
ReplyDeleteRabbi Chaim Yosef Dovid Weiss, Ra'avad of Satmar Antwerp, Belgium. I think he might be the son of Ga'avad Rabbi Tuvia Weiss Bedat"z Yerushalayim.
ReplyDeleteYes indeed, apologize with compensation. For a whole host of transgressions, Tamar being a Moredes, Siruv of BBD, Eloping with a Paramour a/k/a/ A *SOTEH* mideoraisa, having two husbands of which goes on for every *moment and every time* she is told to depart but she doesn't, gzeirus Yichud, no Get nor Kidushin kedechiyavt mideoraysa, Falsification of reports with Eidus Sheker, Lo sa'aneh bereiacha Eid Shoker, Motzi Shem Ra, Hiring hoodlums and Goons of Anshei Bliya'al uBnei Avlo to raise hands and hit a nefesh beYisrael, orrur makeh re'ehu baseser, Veorav lo vekom olov with mischaven lehorgo urtzocho nofesh, intent to kill, Kidnapping of his child against ruling of BBD and Dinei Demalchussei, Lo Sonu ish es amiso - zu anoas dvorim, Not following Protocol of Get Krisus while screaming Kozak haNigzal (Shame on you ORA veSiyato, uMatir Assurim Ochrei Yisrael), Mesayea lidei ovrei Aveirah not letting Ahron mispalllel in Mikdash Me'at as well as his Daughter (shame on you), Yoredet lechayov taking away his Parnassah, Putting someone wrongfully in cherem that will only boomerang, lifnei iver lo siten michshol - orrur mashge iver baderech - barring Mr. Adam from having legitimate children of Pru uRvu while living in sin, along a whole host of others. Having all this baggage, she still dreams of doing much better. Aha, we see your situation how much better, living like outcasts and fugitives shunned by the Gedoilei Olam form all over the World, tembel beribua! Thanks to you your good friends and shoshvinim, a payback for your Dear beloved Father zichrono livracha, that did soooo much good for the Yeshiva.
ReplyDeleteThe Goons Ba'alei Egrofin veYadayim yedei Eisov aren't trailing much behind Tamar. Yodeichem mleim dam of so many other Fathers and Husbands that you be'Avled, Submerging heads in mayim asher ein lohem sof (waterboarding), Breaking skulls and bones with baseball bats and Karate chops, Bloodied in such cruel manner koshos veachzoriyos like the Kozak's in the Pgrom's, breaking up Botim BeYisrael without mercy, Stealing their life's toil, amoleinu - zu habonim vehabonois, for what? For ahava$ *momon*, velo mipnei sinas Mordechai, splitting the $hochad $halmonim Pie of 60K per pop amongst all the maschisim umechablim, with the Lion's share going to the *Vayovo Hapolit rescuer of mankind* ProdFather hayadua leshimtza SHARYA. And Yes, everything done leshem matzos mitzva, while throwing the Fathers, as a Matzo in Oiven bekivshon hoesh, Y.S.V. And then they call themselves *the rescuers and life savers of the so called self-made, self-declared Agunos. Why don't you go to the negotiating table, and let your husbands share the nachas of the Trio's produce. Shlosho shutfim beodom, Hashem, together with the Husband makes it two against one. If you will 'fargin' in sharing, you don't have to sit away as a mislabeled Agunah. You much rather are called a Moredes, good for nothing. Sof ganav letliyah, you got stung, caught, brought to justice, and now rot away in jail. You all can now give Gittin to your own wives as bor koroh veyachperehu veyipol beshachas.... This is only miktzas shvocho, there are many more transgressions in your luggage that you will pay for. If you only know what's good for you, go ask mechila from Bore kol Olamim for taking part in creating mamzeirim, from all the paining Husbands and Fathers, from their children you have ripped from their loving arms, Eishes Ish etc. etc. and wish you good luck if they can ever find in their hearts to be moichel. Veal kaelu ne'emar, tov shelo nivra mishenivra!!!
Dam ochicho Tzoakim elay min ha'adomo!!!
Shofech dam beodom, domo yishofech!!!
I agree with Ehud here. Epstein, Stimler and Goldstein have less than 2 weeks to change their defense before the appeal court. If they stay with the same defense strategy they risk the appeal court will be worse than Judge Freda, Heaven forbid. Judge Freda is Jewish and was angry at the Jachter and Ralbag claims “a man who refuses to grant a get to his wife is a scoundrel, JA1901; it is a mitzvah (a religious commandment) to free an agunah, JA1878.” Judge Freda ruled “heinous…”
ReplyDeleteTamar is clearly a rebellious wife. Greenblatt-Kamenitsky fake heter and supporters think that they’re helping Mendel Epstein et al in his appeal. This is why they’re quiet now. They would help Mendel Epstein et al by apologizing to Aaron with compensation and apologizing to other men they mistreated with the Jachter and Ralbag false and heinous rule that a man who refuses to grant a get to his wife is a scoundrel.
Not only rebellious, but destructive as well. She wants out, for no good reason, and does not want to share their daughter either. That is eating the cake and have it too. Lola has to learn that there are no free lunches, no *chapperlech*, and you must pay your dues. Pulling out a white dove from a black hat, will not fly, nor an Ace from under your sleeve. There is also a special Knass, for not to be a choite veniskar. She cornered herself into a lose, lose, lose tough position. Beg for forgiveness, depart, and start from Adam all over again, ulay yerachem. No, not that kind of Bnei Adam yoshvei choshech.
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