Interestingly I sat next to Rav Zalman Nechemia on the 72 bus about 2 months ago. I was the first person to tell him of this case. He said he had no idea about it and that it sounded strange. But he also quoted the sugya of טעה בדבר משנה.
If you read carefully rav Rosenberg s letter u will see his protest was because there was no bai's din involved, and not the heter itself, also rzng does not seem to have the same outrage as rav Shlomo miller shelita
Contrary to rumors which have been circulating ... recently, Rav Goldberg has not given his approval to the heter.
Why is it that the K supporters don't realize to themselves that their is obviously something really wrong here? Why are they continuously making false claims and behaving in truly unbecoming ways?
Who is the new rabbi Shlomo miller, I've never heard of him before, is he related to my rebbe avigdor miller, or is he related to the well know rav of yarma, the well known rav Yackov miller Is he from Lakewood. Nj, or Brooklyn NY
It's obvious that he knows what's going on, and rather than say it's posul, which everyone knows already, says they should separate until a beis din. By saying less, he actually said more. 1. A beis din must convene. 2. They separate till it happens.
לכבוד הרב שלמה מילה שליט"א ראיתי שמך מוזכר הרבה פעמים בנוגע לפרשת תמר עפשטיין, והנני רוצה לדעת קצת רקע עליך, מי סמכה לרב, ובעיקר האם אתה יכול להשתוות בלימוד לרבותינו מועצת גדולי תורה שהיא הסנהדרין שבימנו, האם אין זה
Very possible But I sit next to him on the bus fairly often. He gives a shiur at yeshurun in the morning and i have had the zchus to sit next to him many times and I have asked him other highly charged questions and he has never avoided it.
In a certain sense he is calling their bluff. They keep on claiming that they need a Beis Din, RZNG said "Fine. But separate until then." Rav Cohen clearly goes a step further by adding Hashem should help that there should not be more such cases.
It says nothing different then what RSK has been saying all along. It actually is surprising to see RSM asking for a Beis din. He has stated unequivocal that no matter what anyone paskens he is not mivatel his daas to anyone. Even if Reb Dovid Feinstein would pasken he wouldn't listen to him either.
Are you that crazy to realy think of the moetzes so chashuv for sure not sanhedrin not even a beis din most can't pasken any shailos not even for rice cakes
Horav Shlomo Miller is the only אדם גדול in America who will unilaterally stand up to the establishment. I'm sure Rav Miller tried to build a coalition of Rabonim to confront this פירצה but they are all afraid and wouldn't join him. Boruch Hashem we have Horav Miller who is fearless.
I myself saw novominsker rebbe eat ultra thin riceakes and a piece of shmalz herring on top, so ur comment is inappropriate to say the least However I do believe that they would do well to add rav brudny on the panel of gedolim, to make it fully comprised of gedolim
We witnessed Nathan grow up on this blog from toddler to educated student. He first fought with us with his diehard leftist and feminist ideology. He fought for long with Rabbi Eidensohn, director of this blog that he had no letters to support his assertions. He also fabricated halachic teshuvos to conform with his outlook which was taken by some with consternation, while by others with entertainment.
Time passed and as more letters came out, he was quiet and even understood where Rav Eidensohn and like minded individuals over here were coming from.
Simultaneously, he passionately argued for mekoros whether a get is obligated in this and similar scenarios. We fought at that too at length and he began to appreciate another form of thought, based on Torah sources and got on the way to be a budding scholar.
Sadly many my not join him for other reasons , not because they fear anyone, in Lakewood some months ago his son was running around for signatures and noone wanted to join, some say it had to do with a pharmacy DT and the kashruth of a certain medication, and rabbi Forchheimer
לכבוד רבי שלמה מילה שליט"א אב"ד כולל טאראנטו האם יש לך משרה רבנית מטעם ועד רבנים דטאראנרו, האם זה נכון שאתה מוציא לעז על הגיטין שמסדרין בעירך, שנקבע ע"י גדולי תורה מדור העבר, האם זה נכון שאתה מזלזל בכבודו שח ת"ח כמו הרב אקס שליט"א
Rav Henoch Zaltz is a Talmid Muvhak of Horav Shlomo Miller. He is a Messader Gittin in Lakewood, NJ. In 2015 he performed 57 Gittin in Lakewood, NJ. He's in 1st place for the most Gittin performed for 2015. He is also a self appointed consultant & sabotager for AF regarding the divorce proceedings with TF.
Rav Shlomo Miller's children are huge ת״ח, and רבנים in Lakewood. It is a well known fact that Rav Shlomo Miller's children in Lakewood have zero involvement in anything that their father needs to do.
I am saying that it took a while for you to understand and also contend to the Da'as Torah on this blog regarding the falsification of the heter, important rules in p'sak regarding Hilchos Gittin and p'sak, man, you've come a long way, baby....you've grown so much ........and now, you've just regressed, talking like you used to, like you've never learned any of that. .....don't regress!
I don't know what you mean by behaving in an unbecoming way but they do realize there is something very wrong and it is how Rabbi Miller his sons and henchmen saltz and zucker have behaved from the begging you wouldn't ask that question if you knew the details.
I saw him look at the rice cake and then at the herring, he's geonic eyes darting back and forth, from the herring to the ricecake and vice versa, he then consulted with the entire moetset and it was decided that since a rabbi issued a Holocaust denial statement, no herring should be consumed
No there you go again securing the facts he does not want to go before BD, he said specifically rabbi DF , the curious fact is that anyone who knows RDF , knows he has never ever got involved with anything controversial so basically it's a dare do the impossible, like al mnas shetali lerakia. well Rabbi Miller got wise according to my sources and agreed to go to RDS and the K's refused. most probably since his opinion has finally come to light that he is opposed to the ruling like everyone else has appointed someone to work on separating them.
Interestingly I sat next to Rav Zalman Nechemia on the 72 bus about 2 months ago. I was the first person to tell him of this case. He said he had no idea about it and that it sounded strange. But he also quoted the sugya of טעה בדבר משנה.
ReplyDeleteCan you transcribe please
ReplyDeleteReb salty K will zicher rains that since rabbi millers name is mentioned the letter is worthless, despite it being rather commonsense and evenhanded
ReplyDeleteIf you read carefully rav Rosenberg s letter u will see his protest was because there was no bai's din involved, and not the heter itself, also rzng does not seem to have the same outrage as rav Shlomo miller shelita
ReplyDeleteContrary to rumors which have been circulating ... recently, Rav Goldberg has not given his approval to the heter.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it that the K supporters don't realize to themselves that their is obviously something really wrong here? Why are they continuously making false claims and behaving in truly unbecoming ways?
He was smart enough to play 'dumb' (bkohl kvodo), but at least he got an opinion from ''the man in the street."
ReplyDeleteDated 9 shvat.
ReplyDeleteTo RSK:
Appeared before me s shlomo miller ... (RSK) should establish a bet din of 'choshuveh rabbonim ....
Who is the new rabbi Shlomo miller, I've never heard of him before, is he related to my rebbe avigdor miller, or is he related to the well know rav of yarma, the well known rav Yackov miller
ReplyDeleteIs he from Lakewood. Nj, or Brooklyn NY
It's obvious that he knows what's going on, and rather than say it's posul, which everyone knows already, says they should separate until a beis din.
ReplyDeleteBy saying less, he actually said more.
1. A beis din must convene.
2. They separate till it happens.
לכבוד הרב שלמה מילה שליט"א
ReplyDeleteראיתי שמך מוזכר הרבה פעמים בנוגע לפרשת תמר עפשטיין, והנני רוצה לדעת קצת רקע עליך, מי סמכה לרב, ובעיקר האם אתה יכול להשתוות בלימוד לרבותינו מועצת גדולי תורה שהיא הסנהדרין שבימנו, האם אין זה
Very possible
ReplyDeleteBut I sit next to him on the bus fairly often. He gives a shiur at yeshurun in the morning and i have had the zchus to sit next to him many times and I have asked him other highly charged questions and he has never avoided it.
You call that a transcribed anything? Either do a full job or leave it alone!
ReplyDeleteIn a certain sense he is calling their bluff. They keep on claiming that they need a Beis Din, RZNG said "Fine. But separate until then." Rav Cohen clearly goes a step further by adding Hashem should help that there should not be more such cases.
ReplyDeleteOK, Now you explained yourself..
ReplyDeleteHi Troll.
ReplyDeleteR' Zalman Nechemia did not say they should separate. That was R' Shalom Cohen's addition.
ReplyDeleteWhy does RSK still think that he can sell this fraud?
ReplyDeleteIt says nothing different then what RSK has been saying all along. It actually is surprising to see RSM asking for a Beis din. He has stated unequivocal that no matter what anyone paskens he is not mivatel his daas to anyone. Even if Reb Dovid Feinstein would pasken he wouldn't listen to him either.
ReplyDeleteWhats wrong with my spelling
ReplyDeleteAre you that crazy to realy think of the moetzes so chashuv for sure not sanhedrin not even a beis din most can't pasken any shailos not even for rice cakes
ReplyDeleteHorav Shlomo Miller is the only אדם גדול in America who will unilaterally stand up to the establishment. I'm sure Rav Miller tried to build a coalition of Rabonim to confront this פירצה but they are all afraid and wouldn't join him.
ReplyDeleteBoruch Hashem we have Horav Miller who is fearless.
I myself saw novominsker rebbe eat ultra thin riceakes and a piece of shmalz herring on top, so ur comment is inappropriate to say the least
ReplyDeleteHowever I do believe that they would do well to add rav brudny on the panel of gedolim, to make it fully comprised of gedolim
Btw is reb Shlomo of Toronto also a mohel besides being a schaichet
ReplyDeleteHe probably doe,$n't even care
ReplyDeleteWe witnessed Nathan grow up on this blog from toddler to educated student. He first fought with us with his diehard leftist and feminist ideology. He fought for long with Rabbi Eidensohn, director of this blog that he had no letters to support his assertions. He also fabricated halachic teshuvos to conform with his outlook which was taken by some with consternation, while by others with entertainment.
ReplyDeleteTime passed and as more letters came out, he was quiet and even understood where Rav Eidensohn and like minded individuals over here were coming from.
Simultaneously, he passionately argued for mekoros whether a get is obligated in this and similar scenarios. We fought at that too at length and he began to appreciate another form of thought, based on Torah sources and got on the way to be a budding scholar.
Lately, he was slacking off to earlier
I indicated its incomplete, but contains all the relevant information. Including incorrect information that i properly presented.
ReplyDeleteMy name is Nathan formerly from gush gatif
ReplyDeleteSo why is this letter addressed to him, as if he is actively defending it.
ReplyDeleteSadly many my not join him for other reasons , not because they fear anyone, in Lakewood some months ago his son was running around for signatures and noone wanted to join, some say it had to do with a pharmacy DT and the kashruth of a certain medication, and rabbi Forchheimer
ReplyDeleteלכבוד רבי שלמה מילה שליט"א אב"ד כולל טאראנטו
ReplyDeleteהאם יש לך משרה רבנית מטעם ועד רבנים דטאראנרו, האם זה נכון שאתה מוציא לעז על הגיטין שמסדרין בעירך, שנקבע ע"י גדולי תורה מדור העבר, האם זה נכון שאתה מזלזל בכבודו שח ת"ח כמו הרב אקס שליט"א
Can anyone tell me about rav henoch saltz from lkwd
ReplyDeleteVat u saying
ReplyDeleteRav Henoch Zaltz is a Talmid Muvhak of Horav Shlomo Miller. He is a Messader Gittin in Lakewood, NJ. In 2015 he performed 57 Gittin in Lakewood, NJ. He's in 1st place for the most Gittin performed for 2015.
ReplyDeleteHe is also a self appointed consultant & sabotager for AF regarding the divorce proceedings with TF.
Rav Shlomo Miller's children are huge ת״ח, and רבנים in Lakewood. It is a well known fact that Rav Shlomo Miller's children in Lakewood have zero involvement in anything that their father needs to do.
ReplyDeleteI know him somewhat.
ReplyDeleteYou seem to be talking in riddles. ...
ReplyDeleteI am saying that it took a while for you to understand and also contend to the Da'as Torah on this blog regarding the falsification of the heter, important rules in p'sak regarding Hilchos Gittin and p'sak, man, you've come a long way, baby....you've grown so much ........and now, you've just regressed, talking like you used to, like you've never learned any of that. .....don't regress!
ReplyDeleteI don't know what you mean by behaving in an unbecoming way but they do realize there is something very wrong and it is how Rabbi Miller his sons and henchmen saltz and zucker have behaved from the begging you wouldn't ask that question if you knew the details.
ReplyDelete57 gittin this year alone?
ReplyDeleteOr 57 gittin since he began
I didn't know that there's a competition as to who's first place
Who is 2nd and 3rd place
Which bracha did he make
ReplyDeleteThose in the know, know what I'm talking about
ReplyDeleteI saw him look at the rice cake and then at the herring, he's geonic eyes darting back and forth, from the herring to the ricecake and vice versa, he then consulted with the entire moetset and it was decided that since a rabbi issued a Holocaust denial statement, no herring should be consumed
ReplyDeleteNo there you go again securing the facts he does not want to go before BD, he said specifically rabbi DF , the curious fact is that anyone who knows RDF , knows he has never ever got involved with anything controversial so basically it's a dare do the impossible, like al mnas shetali lerakia. well Rabbi Miller got wise according to my sources and agreed to go to RDS and the K's refused. most probably since his opinion has finally come to light that he is opposed to the ruling like everyone else has appointed someone to work on separating them.
ReplyDeleteFinally someone else is posting about this! BH
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