Thus, thanks to Agudath Israel’s 'Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah', approx. 500K Jews in Los Angeles will understand that this issue, “..teaches us about the great divide within the orthodox Jewish community and about the erosion in the authority of the rabbinical establishment, its inability to enforce its rulings on the public – even its own followers... There is good news: whoever is scared of rabbis and the rabbinates can calm down. The rabbis and the rabbinate are getting weaker, not stronger…a Jewish world without clear rulings– without an agreed upon halakha, without accepted institutions that can sort out religious matters, without clear standards – is a more divided, more partisan, less coherent Jewish world.
The Journal even teaches a schtickle Torah, l’havdil, by its comparing Tamar (Genesis 38) to Tamar Epstein: “…both are examples of female insistence in the face of a male-governed establishment. Now we just need a Judah to come and admit: “She was more righteous than I.” There are plenty of candidates.
I received a call from a relative of the askun HaRav Moshe Blau, zt”l, who led the Agudah in EY during WW2, he feels betrayed.
Think of Mike Tress zt”l and his family.
I was a close friend of the late son of Harry Goodman, zt”l, who led the English Agudah during WW2; my friend honored his Father and ‘if the dead know’ he would be turning over in his grave.
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Ham and Eggs would be more appropriate description of your outburst. Your report with sorrow ....... your as excited as you can be that it made it to the press. You haven't given one shred of proof why this was wrong just you decided that its wrong, Obviously there are a lot of people that disagree with your position. you call for boycotts and protests but haven't given a good reason to. do some homework and when you get the whole story then you can preach
Is it not insane that you have a blog of people that don't know all the information and have tared and feathered anyone that opposes their view. A lot of statements that you made are also stated as fact when in reality its your opinion that made it fact. Did you see all the Medical records? no did you see all the psyco reports? no so how can you take the position you took without knowing ALL the facts. Unless its a matter of hating RSK which I don't have a problem with you doing that but state that don't make it sound like your having an honest conversation to find the truth.
First you claimed that RSK is willing to submit to Rav Dovid's psak -despite him not having done so yet, and despite that he had two years to do so. That's despite the public contempt he showed Rav Dovid in Dodelsohn Chillul Hashem.
Now you have chosen a new approach. "Everyone hates RSk." It's nonsense, and you know it. Either find poskim who agree with RSK, or cut out the lies.
your comment is nonsense. I known Aharon Friedman personally. I am a psychologist. I have read the ridiculous claims of incurable mental insanity made by the Kaminetsky and their experts - there is not basis.
Furthermore Rav Aharon Feldman writes that he has in fact seen the reports that claim this mental illness and he rejects them in the same way.
This is not an issue of hating RSK it is pointing out the severe incompetence that this serious has been dealth with.
Of course your logic would meant that all the rabbis who have condemned this heter are also doing because of their "hatred" for RSK. We are not dealing with onions - we are dealing with many gedolim who declared the heter invalid.
it is interesting/worrysome, that mental illness is a tool used to manipulate halacha. This trend has been widespread in secular courts, when one party (often the wife) accuses the husband of abuse etc. to maximise on the settlement and alimony.
You state in one of your statements. "This letter of R Shalom Kaminetsky also makes an anonymous claim that Aharon was not only mentally ill but had threatened a girl that he had been engaged to before Tamar. Anyone who knows Aharon will realize the claim is a lie. He is not violent nor has he been violent." You sidestep the issue by saying anyone that knows Ahron knows its a lie. Its a very easy fact to verify did he or didn't he threaten or hit the girl he was engaged to prior to TE? to say he is a nice guy doesn't prove that the statement is a lie. Being that you are close to AF why wouldn't you want R' Dovid Feinstein to review the whole case and pasken? Are you going to say that Reb Dovid is not ehrleich? Most of the Rabbonim that came out against it you know and I know don't know all the facts, I don't either claim to know the facts but if RSK is willing to accept any decision Reb Dovid renders what do you have to lose? you agree there is such a concept in halacha of mekach tois but in this case it was applied wrong. You might be right but wouldn't Reb Dovid be an unbiased level headed respected Talmid Chochom that could resolve this machlokis? as far as the claim of hatred for the Kamenetskys the mud slinging that is going on definitely doesn't seem to be from the machlokis lshiem shomayim camp. Most rabbonim that are opposed not necessarily think that the psak is wrong but even if its correct it shouldn't be used. that is different then saying that RSK deliberately made up a story to con RNG in to giving a heter and haveing him and anyone that sides with him as a outcast.
Reb Dovid doesn't want to get involved unless all sides agree to it. R Shlomo Miller under no circumstance wants to let that happen. Why is the big question? If he is so convinced that RSK is wrong and this is the biggest travesty since Kayin Killed Hevel let Reb Dovid say that and RSK is ready to accept it unconditionally even to say that a mistake was made. The answer is because he doesn't want the truth he just wants to tumult. If you have a better explanation I would love to hear it.
Rav Shmuel says he didnt give the heter. What does it mean for him to go to Rav Dovid? I heard that Rav Greenblatt already spoke to Rav Dovid and was told he did not agree with the heter.
That is in addition, that if RSK really wanted to submit Rav Dovid's psak, he can do so without fanfare. He can do so without delay. He does not need Rav Shlomo Miller to agree to stop pursuing action against what he sees as being megaleh ponim b'Torah shelo k'halacha.
Who said anything about Rav Shmuel? It didnt go un noticed that you didn't respond about "This letter of R Shalom Kaminetsky also makes an anonymous claim that Aharon was not only mentally ill but had threatened a girl that he had been engaged to before Tamar. Anyone who knows Aharon will realize the claim is a lie. He is not violent nor has he been violent." You sidestep the issue by saying anyone that knows Ahron knows its a lie. Its a very easy fact to verify did he or didn't he threaten or hit the girl he was engaged to prior to TE? to say he is a nice guy doesn't prove that the statement is a lie.
I am very suspicious of the truth of the statement about Reb Dovid. You want to make a statement without having to be held accountable so you say you heard, when you want to verify something you know how to. If in fact it is true don't you think RSK knows that too? why would he want reb dovid involved if he know his opinion already?
Would you cut it out?! Please take RSK to Rav Dovid immediately, without delay! Cut out all the lies and nonsense and just take him there. What are you afraid of?
In the relatively short time I've been following this site, I've seen the same garbage play itself over, and over, and over..... It goes as follows.
There is some inexcusable wrongdoing or abuse of power by people who refuse to retreat and correct the wrong. Then, as the issue heats up they keep on making up new people who they claim side with them. Of course, the truth always comes out at the end. But that is the game - the same game you're playing with mentioning Rav Dovid Feinstein.
When R Shlomo Miller will stand up for the Chillul Hashem that The Bais Horah in Lakewood Commits every day that it is open is when he will get any respect from the ehrlicha people in Lakewood. How he decides that one chillul hashem is bigger then the other is a question I would love for him or his crooney Zucker to answer. Before they become the big Kanoyim that they are and worry about everyone elses problems let them clean up their own mess first.
"Rainer Daas" now admits that RSK will not go to seek Rav Dovid Feinstein's psak. Instead, he is now attacking one of the messengers, Rav Shlomo Miller.
Result: Too bad. This method will only result in an even bigger failed measure. Please, man up, and go home. Good luck.
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I post the following with sorrow. Today, the Los Angeles Jewish Journal published an article entitled, ‘The two Tamars’, regarding Tamar's remarraige.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.jewishjournal.com/rosnersdomain/item/the_two_tamars
Thus, thanks to Agudath Israel’s 'Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah', approx. 500K Jews in Los Angeles will understand that this issue, “..teaches us about the great divide within the orthodox Jewish community and about the erosion in the authority of the rabbinical establishment, its inability to enforce its rulings on the public – even its own followers... There is good news: whoever is scared of rabbis and the rabbinates can calm down. The rabbis and the rabbinate are getting weaker, not stronger…a Jewish world without clear rulings– without an agreed upon halakha, without accepted institutions that can sort out religious matters, without clear standards – is a more divided, more partisan, less coherent Jewish world.
The Journal even teaches a schtickle Torah, l’havdil, by its comparing Tamar (Genesis 38) to Tamar Epstein: “…both are examples of female insistence in the face of a male-governed establishment. Now we just need a Judah to come and admit: “She was more righteous than I.” There are plenty of candidates.
I received a call from a relative of the askun HaRav Moshe Blau, zt”l, who led the Agudah in EY during WW2, he feels betrayed.
Think of Mike Tress zt”l and his family.
I was a close friend of the late son of Harry Goodman, zt”l, who led the English Agudah during WW2; my friend honored his Father and ‘if the dead know’ he would be turning over in his grave.
ALL THESE GREAT MEN WERE MESIRAS NEFESH FOR KLAL YISROEL
PROTEST PROTEST PROTEST
Bombard the Agudah with emails and call. Send the secular press articles to all Rabbanim. Boycott shuls that are led by Agudah affiliated Rabbanim who refuse to sign legitimate protest letters to the Moetzes, etc. etc....
From This Moment on the Moetzes’s Silence is Deemed Approval
Ham and Eggs would be more appropriate description of your outburst. Your report with sorrow ....... your as excited as you can be that it made it to the press. You haven't given one shred of proof why this was wrong just you decided that its wrong, Obviously there are a lot of people that disagree with your position. you call for boycotts and protests but haven't given a good reason to. do some homework and when you get the whole story then you can preach
ReplyDeletewho are the people who disagree? why don't you do your homework - that is a lot of evidence posted on this blog that justifies what he said.
ReplyDeleteIs it not insane that you have a blog of people that don't know all the information and have tared and feathered anyone that opposes their view. A lot of statements that you made are also stated as fact when in reality its your opinion that made it fact. Did you see all the Medical records? no did you see all the psyco reports? no so how can you take the position you took without knowing ALL the facts. Unless its a matter of hating RSK which I don't have a problem with you doing that but state that don't make it sound like your having an honest conversation to find the truth.
ReplyDelete@Rainer Daas There goes your silliness again.
ReplyDeleteFirst you claimed that RSK is willing to submit to Rav Dovid's psak -despite him not having done so yet, and despite that he had two years to do so. That's despite the public contempt he showed Rav Dovid in Dodelsohn Chillul Hashem.
Now you have chosen a new approach. "Everyone hates RSk." It's nonsense, and you know it. Either find poskim who agree with RSK, or cut out the lies.
your comment is nonsense. I known Aharon Friedman personally. I am a psychologist. I have read the ridiculous claims of incurable mental insanity made by the Kaminetsky and their experts - there is not basis.
ReplyDeleteFurthermore Rav Aharon Feldman writes that he has in fact seen the reports that claim this mental illness and he rejects them in the same way.
This is not an issue of hating RSK it is pointing out the severe incompetence that this serious has been dealth with.
Of course your logic would meant that all the rabbis who have condemned this heter are also doing because of their "hatred" for RSK. We are not dealing with onions - we are dealing with many gedolim who declared the heter invalid.
it is interesting/worrysome, that mental illness is a tool used to manipulate halacha. This trend has been widespread in secular courts, when one party (often the wife) accuses the husband of abuse etc. to maximise on the settlement and alimony.
ReplyDeleteYou state in one of your statements. "This letter of R Shalom Kaminetsky also makes an anonymous claim that Aharon was not only mentally ill but had threatened a girl that he had been engaged to before Tamar. Anyone who knows Aharon will realize the claim is a lie. He is not violent nor has he been violent." You sidestep the issue by saying anyone that knows Ahron knows its a lie. Its a very easy fact to verify did he or didn't he threaten or hit the girl he was engaged to prior to TE? to say he is a nice guy doesn't prove that the statement is a lie. Being that you are close to AF why wouldn't you want R' Dovid Feinstein to review the whole case and pasken? Are you going to say that Reb Dovid is not ehrleich? Most of the Rabbonim that came out against it you know and I know don't know all the facts, I don't either claim to know the facts but if RSK is willing to accept any decision Reb Dovid renders what do you have to lose? you agree there is such a concept in halacha of mekach tois but in this case it was applied wrong. You might be right but wouldn't Reb Dovid be an unbiased level headed respected Talmid Chochom that could resolve this machlokis? as far as the claim of hatred for the Kamenetskys the mud slinging that is going on definitely doesn't seem to be from the machlokis lshiem shomayim camp. Most rabbonim that are opposed not necessarily think that the psak is wrong but even if its correct it shouldn't be used. that is different then saying that RSK deliberately made up a story to con RNG in to giving a heter and haveing him and anyone that sides with him as a outcast.
ReplyDeleteReb Dovid doesn't want to get involved unless all sides agree to it. R Shlomo Miller under no circumstance wants to let that happen. Why is the big question? If he is so convinced that RSK is wrong and this is the biggest travesty since Kayin Killed Hevel let Reb Dovid say that and RSK is ready to accept it unconditionally even to say that a mistake was made. The answer is because he doesn't want the truth he just wants to tumult. If you have a better explanation I would love to hear it.
ReplyDeleteRav Shmuel says he didnt give the heter. What does it mean for him to go to Rav Dovid?
ReplyDeleteI heard that Rav Greenblatt already spoke to Rav Dovid and was told he did not agree with the heter.
What does it mean that Rav Shmuel is prepared to accept he says he didn't give the heter?
ReplyDeleteThat is in addition, that if RSK really wanted to submit Rav Dovid's psak, he can do so without fanfare. He can do so without delay. He does not need Rav Shlomo Miller to agree to stop pursuing action against what he sees as being megaleh ponim b'Torah shelo k'halacha.
ReplyDeleteWho said anything about Rav Shmuel? It didnt go un noticed that you didn't respond about "This letter of R Shalom Kaminetsky also makes an anonymous claim that Aharon was not only mentally ill but had threatened a girl that he had been engaged to before Tamar. Anyone who knows Aharon will realize the claim is a lie. He is not violent nor has he been violent." You sidestep the issue by saying anyone that knows Ahron knows its a lie. Its a very easy fact to verify did he or didn't he threaten or hit the girl he was engaged to prior to TE? to say he is a nice guy doesn't prove that the statement is a lie.
ReplyDeleteI am very suspicious of the truth of the statement about Reb Dovid. You want to make a statement without having to be held accountable so you say you heard, when you want to verify something you know how to. If in fact it is true don't you think RSK knows that too? why would he want reb dovid involved if he know his opinion already?
ReplyDeleteWould you cut it out?! Please take RSK to Rav Dovid immediately, without delay! Cut out all the lies and nonsense and just take him there. What are you afraid of?
ReplyDeleteIn the relatively short time I've been following this site, I've seen the same garbage play itself over, and over, and over..... It goes as follows.
There is some inexcusable wrongdoing or abuse of power by people who refuse to retreat and correct the wrong. Then, as the issue heats up they keep on making up new people who they claim side with them. Of course, the truth always comes out at the end. But that is the game - the same game you're playing with mentioning Rav Dovid Feinstein.
When R Shlomo Miller will stand up for the Chillul Hashem that The Bais Horah in Lakewood Commits every day that it is open is when he will get any respect from the ehrlicha people in Lakewood. How he decides that one chillul hashem is bigger then the other is a question I would love for him or his crooney Zucker to answer. Before they become the big Kanoyim that they are and worry about everyone elses problems let them clean up their own mess first.
ReplyDeleteNEWSFLASH:
ReplyDelete"Rainer Daas" now admits that RSK will not go to seek Rav Dovid Feinstein's psak. Instead, he is now attacking one of the messengers, Rav Shlomo Miller.
Result: Too bad. This method will only result in an even bigger failed measure. Please, man up, and go home. Good luck.
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