Friday, August 28, 2015

Dealing with threats from spouse in divorce cases

A very common concern from divorce clients and people looking for information about their divorce comes in the form of, “my husband is threatening to…” or “my wife is threatening to…” with something about taking away the kids or all the property.

99.9% of the time those threats have zero basis in the law and are never going to happen. They have less to do with the law or what the person really believes they can do to you, and more to do with psychological warfare by tormenting you or scaring you into doing or not doing something. Under the Texas Family Code, divorces are just not that sinister. Usually these threats are made before the divorce petition is filed or shortly afterwards. It is common to see the spouse who does not want the divorce threatening to “take the kids and you’ll never see them” or “take everything and leave you with nothing” to scare you away from filing for divorce and staying in a bad situation. After the divorce petition is filed and the other spouse (respondent) has been served, these threats are tossed around out of anger just to torment you. The best way to avoid being scared away from filing for divorce in Texas or hire a divorce lawyer to protect your rights is to understand why these threats are untrue (or at least highly unlikely). Knowledge is power. So today’s post will address some of those common threats and how the law really works. One of the biggest issues people struggle with in dealing with a high-conflict (HCP) ex is when children are part of the equation. It’s hard enough to shed a HCP spouse or partner; when children are involved, it becomes the never-ending trickle of salt into the open wound you’re trying to heal.

As noted in a previous Shrink4Men article, the trick to neutralizing the Crazy is boundaries. For some of us, creating boundaries for ourselves is difficult enough. It becomes hellishly difficult to implement healthy boundaries when there are children to consider.
Why is it so difficult? In many cases, the answer is fear.
HCPs are predators, as Dr T and Micksbabe so aptly identified them. They know the smell of fear. If you have any, they will know it. They might not be the sharpest pencil in the box otherwise, but boy, do they know how to sniff out fear. Then they capitalize on it to the nth degree.
Once you or the HCP decide the marriage or relationship is over, you need to immediately be on your guard. At that point, regardless of what your HCP ex says, you are now the enemy in their mind. Many men are often lulled into a false sense of security by the fact that she seems to be behaving and seems to be thinking and acting rationally at the beginning of the break-up or divorce.
She is not. It’s a trap! (Think Admiral Ackbar here.) [...]
Even when you know how crazy your Crazy is, it’s hard to believe someone could act the way they do. You don’t want to believe it. You want to think the high-conflict parent loves the children as much as you do. (Honestly, they all seem to have the same large-print handbook on how to be as horrific as possible.)
HCPs know this. On some level, they know you won’t sink to the same depths they do in your desire to get what you want and they count on it. They count on you not wanting to go against your upbringing that includes manners and not behaving badly. They know your desire to behave as a decent member of society holds you back from responding to their behavior no matter what. No one wants to be the bad guy and they count on your desire to be Mr Nice Guy.
Know that. Recognize that the Crazy will not fight fair, will not behave in a way that is socially acceptable, will use your children, will threaten you and play on your fear at every opportunity, and will sacrifice herself to “win” against you. To the Crazy, any means justify their ends.
You don’t have to stoop to their level. Instead, prepare yourself from a legal standpoint. Again, do your research and understand the laws you’ll be subject to once in the court system. Document the Crazy behavior and show how the Crazy does not support a positive relationship between your kids and yourself.  Also, understand the financial implications. Get very familiar with your state’s child support guidelines. Even if you have an attorney, having this knowledge will serve you well. [...]
In Dr. Baker’s book, she profiles horrible stories of alienation. All of the children who were victims of PAS eventually stepped away from their alienating parent, and went about attempting to resurrect the relationship with the target parent. This was true even in some of the most awful cases.
While it may not seem to be doing much at the time, your children will remember who loved them and demonstrated it using more than words, who was there for them, and who didn’t hop on the Crazy train and drive it into the abyss.
Do your due diligence, get professional support if you need it, focus on long-term gains instead of the short-term, permanent present guerrilla warfare tactics many HCPs engage in and you and your children will survive this. [...]

57 comments:

  1. The problem is that each spouse truly thinks that the OTHER is the "Crazy." If there could be a fair & neutral third party that both would listen to, that would be the best answer. Instead each side finds the advice they want. If they want to fight until the last breath with no regard for the kids, there will be a "rov" out there who will be happy to assist, and who will validate the person's position as being totally consistent with daas Torah.

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  2. The shrink4men site describes itself as "for men who are recovering from relationships with abusive women". That site also states that there are men "who are in abusive relationships in which the perpetrator is a woman do not have the same support resources as their female counterparts."

    Since this DT posting contains a photo of Dr. Michael Schlesinger, perhaps we should conclude that Dr. Schlesinger was a victim of abuse by his ex-wife?

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  3. If there could be a fair & neutral third party that both would listen to, that would be the best answer.


    There are many, many cases where the nice guy is willing to listen to a third party, or even one a bit biased towards the the HCP. The HCP will not listen to anyone, or anything other than to seek to destroy.


    Destroying their child in in order to hurt their ex spouse is perfectly fine to them.

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  4. Who really thinks about the children and how they feel, seeing their parents fighting? They are the losers in their childhood and the parent, who thinks they have won, is the loser later.

    The adult who thinks they can disregard the child is wrong. Children can see and they can feel even if they are unable to speak out and express themselves at their young ages!

    Children grow fast and if they are not too damaged, they will rise up and fight the people that didn't really consider them.

    If they are damaged, because of their prolonged unhappiness, they will just be a drain on the state and an example of the unjust decisions made on their behalf!

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  5. What about the children? Is anyone thinking about them? Why shouldn't they have proper access to both parents?

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  6. why should anyone think that 5ft nothing Beth Alexander could be abusive to a 6 ft man? Also what about the children. Where do they figure in all of this?

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  7. If you are seeking the truth 'Truth Seeker' the truth is that Beth Alexander has been very open and honest about the abuse and violence she suffered at the hands of Michael Schlesinger. The truth is 'Truth Seeker' as you well know it was Michael who attempted to put Beth away to a mental home when there was nothing wrong with her . It was Michael who spread lies about his wife around Vienna using her so called friends to do so. Michael who forged Beth's signature and Michael who used Konstanta Thau to help him win custody of their children and it is not Beth who is using their children to punish Michael. I guess that is because Michael is the one who is the HCP coming from the very disturbed background as he does. There's the truth 'Truth Seeker' as you seek it. Also Truth Seeker if you look at the very top of the article it states that it address both husbands and wives. Tell the truth and face up to it Truth Seeker

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  8. It is obvious that the reason Schlesinger's picture was included is to show an example of a high conflict partner (HCP) and how far they will go to escalate conflict and destruction.

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  9. why should anyone think that 5ft nothing .... could be abusive to a 6 ft man?


    Studies have shown that woman can be as abusive as men can be. The thinking that only men can be abusive, is one of those myths going around; much like how people used to think that the sun revolves around the earth. Yes, little, short women can be very abusive.


    I do not think that Beth Alexander abused Dr. Sclessinger. however, flawed logic should not be used.

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  10. Emunah states:
    “The truth is 'Truth Seeker' as you well know it was Michael who attempted to
    put Beth away to a mental home…” I noticed rabbis of that beit din ruled that
    Beth does not need a get to remarry.
    Such ruling is contrary to Gamara rulings such as I brought from Nedarim
    91: “A certain woman showed displeasure with her husband. …Said R.
    Nahman: Disregard her; she had conceived a passion for another.”

    Many rabbis today are
    not following the ways of the Gamara. In the Gamara the aim is to continue the
    marriage and to deny the woman her request to force her husband to divorce her.
    We’re waiting for October 13, 2015 for the judge’s ruling on Mendel Epstein et
    al. Court papers state: “As to the
    Chaimowitz and Teitelbaum kidnapping, Aryeh Ralbag testified that defendant
    Stimler appeared before him and admitted his role in that kidnapping, and not
    merely the fact that he was a witness to the get, but that he knew that
    the victims were bound and wanted to be released.”

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  11. "Less than a year later, Alexander filed for divorce in the Austrian courts."
    http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new-york-news/writing-weapon-custody-case

    Part of this murky puzzle may be coming to light. Jewish plaintiffs who use archaos (non-Jewish courts) in violation of halacha lose any right
    to accuse their opponents of violations of Torah ethics.


    If the Jewish Week story is correct, please specify which kosher Bais Din provided Beth a "heter" to use archaos to prosecute her divorce. If you cannot explain this, then your accusations against Dr. Schlesinger are just feminist hypocrisy and double standards.

    I am not a friend or advocate for Dr. Schlesinger, nor have I ever met him. But when myriads of Jewish women use archaos, there is hardly a peep of protest from the so-called frum communities.

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  12. There is no beis din in Vienna and Mr Schlesinger refused to cooperate with the Manchester beis din (see the letter from the Manchester beis din issued on this blog some time ago). Please don't use cheap shoots like these to try to diminish Schlesinger's abusive behavior in any way.

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  13. According to the Jewish Week article I linked to, it was Beth who filed for divorce in the Austrian courts. So by your brilliant logic, you're claiming that Dr. Schlesinger is the high conflict partner?

    If a man is sued (its usually in violation of halacha) by his wife in archaos (non-Jewish courts) are you saying he has no right to aggressively defend himself? Do you expect him to just fold up and surrender to his wife's dictates?

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  14. Why are you arguing 'Truth Seeker'? It must be because you are truly such a high conflict person continually in conflict with the world. What a shame for you - arguing and conflict is all you know. As you full well know Michael didn't think twice about using the non Jewish Court in violation of Halacha to take Beth's children away from her and with the help of the converted Judge Konstanza Thau. I bet you are not a friend to Dr Schlesinger - he would argue with himself and tear himself apart on a desert island. He is a high conflict person - get it?

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  15. A defendant has the halachic right to have the beis din conducted in his own city rather than a different city. So it would have to be conducted in Vienna, per halacha.


    Either way, none of this gives any justification for the serious violation of halacha of taking a case to the non-Jewish courts.

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  16. Gerald, where did you find that tidbit about the Epstein case? Regarding R. Ralbag's testimony. Is he saying he was aware the Get was coerced?


    Also, where did you see the October 2015 sentencing date mentioned?

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  17. Please don't don't use cheap shot arguments to deflect our attention from the facts of this case.



    Show me an authentic halachic siruv against Dr. Schlesinger from any kosher Beis Din, that states he was issued valid hazmanos and he refused to appear before any Beis Din (not necessarily Beth's Beis Din), otherwise you have absolutely no proof that Dr. Schlesinger violated halacha by not appearing before a Beis Din.



    Once a Jew is sued in archaos as a defendant, he is allowed to continue in archaos, and he is not violating halacha. The plaintiff is then the halachic violator.

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  18. Notice how neither Emunah nor Schlesinger watch have (up to now) answered a simple request I made that would greatly clarify this case:



    "please specify which kosher Bais Din provided Beth a "heter" to use
    archaos to prosecute her divorce."

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  19. @truthseeker - please explain Dr. Schelsingers' halachic reasoning- Instead of focusing on the narrow question of who authorized Beth to go to civil court

    Dr. Schlesinger relied on what halacha to abuse Beth? He relied on which Beis din do try have her fraudently committed in an a mental hospital.

    He used which beis din to take custody away from her when it was clearly not in the best interest of the children.

    Etc etc. Don't start in the middle -please start from the beginning.

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  20. Prominent Rabbonim  Invalidate a Get Kfiyah arranged  By Bais Horaah  of Rav Chaim Flohr and  Rav Shloma Zalman Kaufman 

    Bais Horaah of Flohrs Kollel in Monsey have utilized the Get Law of Quebec to force a Get! In Schwimmer / Kohn matter they came into the picture when no other Rav in Canada would preside over such a forced Get.


    Famous Rabbonim on both sides of the Atlantic are distressed about this get being advanced by Rav Chaim Flohr and Rabbi Kaufman  of Bais Horaah inc. , and are shocked at this of the Bais Din power despite the man’s side never being called to their Bais Din and never having signed a Shtar Berorin / or even presented their side in a Bais din at all! And plus the damage and the ramifications that will result to the orthodox public.


    See the following documents:

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  21. DT, I have no idea who abused who (if any). My comments were not directed to alleged abuse (which is almost always claimed by divorcing women, regardless of the true facts).

    My comments are addressing other issues - what is the halachic basis to support a woman who was apparently in archaos without a valid heter?

    "a. Its an absolute Torah prohibition to summon another Jew to archaos...
    b. The early rabbinic authorities put a special ban on a woman who summons her husband to archaos for divorce purposes...
    h. Even to assist those who use archaos is prohibited..."
    (Lakewood Beis Din publishes halachic issues against using secular court)

    http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2015/08/lakewood-beis-din-publishes-halachic.html

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  22. Pacer

    There also was substantial testimony from witnesses regarding defendant Stimler’s

    involvement in the kidnappings underlying the conspiracy. As to the Chaimowitz and

    Teitelbaum kidnapping, Aryeh Ralbag testified that defendant Stimler appeared before him and

    admitted his role in that kidnapping, and not merely the fact that he was a witness to the get, but

    that he knew that the victims were bound and wanted to be released. (See 3/9/15 Tr. p. 91).

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  23. Yes, TruthSeeker, it’s critical to
    see when Beth filed for divorce in the secular courts. Of course, after she does that, Michael then
    has every right to protect his interests how he sees fit. I can tell you stories how bad the secular
    courts can be. The modus operandi of
    these gold-digger wicked women is to run as fast as possible to the secular
    courts. Then they cried fake tears to
    supportive rabbis and their followers, saying, the secular court said or did
    such and such, and please help me get a get.
    I’ll pay $100,000+ cash and yes, I’d like you to beat up my husband.

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  24. Pacer:

    Docket Text: Reset
    Hearings as to MENDEL EPSTEIN: Sentencing set for 10/13/2015 10:00 AM in
    Trenton - Courtroom 5E before Judge Freda L. Wolfson. (jg, )

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  25. The boys, Samuel and
    Benjamin, were born in May 2009.

    Less than a year later,
    Alexander filed for divorce in the Austrian courts.

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  26. @Truthseeker - I see you are involved in two different issues. 1) is what is the general rule of a woman going first to secular court 2) what were the events in the Schlesinger divorce. While you akcnowledge you have no idea what actually happened but yet you are raising a question concerning her.

    If you want to crticize Beth - you first need to take the trouble of finding out the details. If you are concerned with the general procedure than there is no need and it is wrong to mention a specific real life case as if the halacha is the same in all cases.

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  27. @Gerald the criticims I just directed at Truthseeker apply equally to you. You can't ask general questions about the halacha of secular courts and then just tack all the negative associations of "gold-digger wicked women" as if it applies to Beth. You have no idea what you are talking about. I am not sure why it is important for you to criticize women in general.

    Let's stick to either the topic of what is the appropriate halacha in divorce procedings or what options did Beth have and having decided what she did does that in fact justify losing custody of her kids and the non-support of Austrian rabbis?

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  28. @Gerald as I said - you have an ax to grind here which is wrong to automatically apply to all women - as you are doing here

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  29. @Gerald, your points are well taken. Today we have an epidemic of Jewish women using archaos k'neged halacha, with the women being supported by certain rabbis who consistently support women in archaos. I don't think we have an ax to grind if we suspect that this situation might have also occurred in the Alexander case. ESPECIALLY in a case where the husband is a doctor who might have to pay high alimony and child support to his wife if she gained custody.

    In the Alexander case we're discussing, isn't it rather suspicious that we haven't seen the slightest evidence that a siruv was issued against the husband for refusing to appear before ANY kosher Beis Din, in which case the wife could then obtain a valid heter archaos?

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  30. Reply to Rabbi Eidensohn,

    Ok, I
    accept your points. I know nothing of
    the Beth-Michael fight. I see that
    Emunah and others are on Beth’s side. I
    apologize for the gold digger wicked women crack. Yes I do have an ax to grind. I gave Susan a get February 17, 1993. Susan
    got a NYS civil divorce September 10, 2015.
    Tuesday is the next release date to see if the NYS Court of Appeals will
    accept my case (#741-2015). I’ll let you
    know, ok?

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  31. The Pacer court papers state:

    “the defense must show the
    challenged conduct to be shocking,

    outrageous, and clearly intolerable
    thus violating our sense of fundamental fairness or shocking the universal
    sense of justice.”



    Once, in late 1980’s, I was at a
    Shabbat meal, a guest with many other guests, along with Rivka Haut, A”H. I met there with a woman, a fellow guest, who
    told me that she seeks a divorce and is staying at Rivka’s house. She told me that she had no particular
    complaint against her husband. I told Rivka Haut there that her organization
    should have nothing to do with such people.
    Rivka disagreed and told me: “She thought about it (a divorce) at length
    and we have an obligation to help.”

    Shocking, outrageous, and
    intolerable! This violates my sense of
    fundamental fairness and sense of justice!
    Rivka Haut’s powerful organization should muscle in, to effect a divorce
    against the wishes of a gentleman husband!!
    On October 13, 2015 we’ll find out what Judge Wolfson has to say about
    forced divorces.

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  32. For the record, I would like to make clear that I did EVERYTHING possible to avoid the secular courts. After he was evicted from the family home after trying to have me committed to a mental hospital on fabricated grounds, my parents went to every Rabbi in Vienna begging for their help to resolve the crisis.
    Even after this horrendous crime he committed against me, for the sake of the children, we still wanted to stay amicable. Unfortunately, there was not one Rabbi that would really stick his neck out, all were 'too busy to help' and there was no other option but to go through the courts.
    Schlesinger wanted to use the secular as he knew the outcome from the get-go. 'I will win legally or illegally' he told a certain Rabbi.
    Mr Aranoff, please be careful next time about passing judgement so quickly without knowing anything about the case.

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  33. How's this for a good example of arkoyos: http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2015/08/bobov-succession-fight-back-in-federal-court-345.html

    The Bobov fight has caused a huge chilul Hashem, these are the people that should be setting the example for their thousands of followers and instead they behave like ketanim. These are the people that should be getting criticized by the ignorant commentators on here.

    To criticize an innocent victim of domestic abuse who went to all the leading Rabbis in Vienna for protection and was ignored (the father was being protected by his community), and ended up almost in a mental hospital on account of his lies and deception, is nothing short of disgusting. She did everything humanely possible to protect herself and her children but was let down by the community in Vienna. What would you suggest she should have done?

    I wonder who those commentators defending Schlesinger's actions will be talking to on Yom Kippur? Who will they be speaking to asking for forgiveness?

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  34. Beth, you say “I did
    EVERYTHING possible to avoid the secular courts.” Is it true, you had your
    twins in May 2009, then:

    “The boys, Samuel and
    Benjamin, were born in May 2009. Less than a year later, Alexander filed for
    divorce in the Austrian courts.”

    When did Michael try to
    have you “committed to a mental hospital on fabricated grounds”? While you were pregnant or was it shortly
    after? Or was it after you filed for
    divorce in the secular courts?

    Beth, you say “my parents
    went to every Rabbi in Vienna begging for their help to resolve the
    crisis.” Were your parents open to the
    idea of שלום בית, continuing the
    marriage, or were they dead set against continuing the marriage? I think, in my case, Susan’s father was dead
    set against continuing my marriage with his daughter. Do you know Susan Aranoff? Do you know anything about my case with
    Susan?

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  35. @Gerald - what is the answer you are seeking in raising these questions as well as your previous comments about this case? You seem to interested in showing that Beth was wrong and that she has been the abusive spouse.

    If you really are just curious to know more there is quite a bit of documentation already on this blog - simple search for "schlesinger twins" or "Beth" or "vienna"

    So again - is your point to know more or to express your strong feelings against women who ask for a divorce by showing that Beth is no different than your wife?

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  36. Rabbi Eidensohn:

    “to express your strong feelings against women who ask for a
    divorce by showing that Beth is no different than your wife?”



    Guilty. The Gamara, Nedarim 91 and throughout Nedarim
    also has strong feelings against women who ask for a divorce.

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  37. @Gerald, please note:

    - We have no proof that the person posting as "Beth" is actually Beth Alexander. Divorced people usually do not refer to their ex-spouses by the spouse's last name, as "Beth" did.
    - "Beth" never specified even one Bais Din where she summoned Michael to, and/or where Michael refused to appear. Nor did she specify which rabbi or Bais Din gave her a heter archaos. Does this sound like someone who did everything possible to avoid the secular courts?
    - By asking hard questions here, I don't believe we are defending Schlesinger here in any way, except to the extent that he had halachic rights to proceed in archaos after his wife sued him.

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  38. @Gerald thank you for admitting your obvious bias against women who ask for a divorce.

    Please show me the gemora which says that if a woman is abused that she should not ask for a divorce?

    The gemora in Nedarim 91b is talking about a woman who has fallen in love with another man. It has nothing to do with Beth's case.

    Also please explain your claim that the Gemora has strong feelings against women who ask for a divorce. That is not the language of the gemora.

    The gemora is against breaking up a marriage because a wife decided she likes someone else better. But if there is clear objective justification for her ending the marriage I don't see where the gemora expresses strong feelings against her?!

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  39. @truthseeker - you are now cleary acting as a troll. You are not asking "hard questions" you are carrying on a smear campaign against Beth.

    I have no problem with posting a defense of Schlesinger either by himself or someone else - but you are simply making personal attacks - not seeking information.

    Both you and Gerald are assuming that it is desirable to attack women who seek divorce - without regard to the facts or context. That is not the Torah viewpoint

    In short - if you and Gerald can't reign in your desire to attack the woman's side just because she is a woman your future comments will be blocked.

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  40. Rabbi Eidensohn,

    Abuse is different. Of course a wife should ask for divorce if her
    husband abusers her. The Gamara, modern
    rabbis, anyone would agree. The Gamara
    has strong feelings against the wife of a gentleman husband who wants out.

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  41. agreed - but that is not the Schlesinger case. Take the time to read some of the posts on the subject.

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  42. Maybe he means the Gemara of מזבח יורד עליו דמעות. But that's for the breakup of the marriage, not against the woman in particular.

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  43. No one here is attacking any woman because she is a woman. That charge is simply a feminist canard.

    A few days ago this blog published a letter from a Lakewood Beis Din that stated unequivocally that it is prohibited for Jews to use archaos. That letter also mentioned a special cherem put on women who use archaos to divorce their husbands, and the letter also stated it is forbidden to assist Jews using archaos.

    Incredibly now the same blog owner who posted the Beis
    Din letter (DT) is now defending a woman who apparently (unless there is evidence to the contrary) litigated a divorce in archaos without prosecuting her divorce in a Beis Din. Regardless whether you block our comments, the world will see through your hypocrisy .

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  44. truthseeker - you are wrong. Gerald acknowledged that is what he was doing.

    Your hostile accusations that I am a hypocrite clearly have no place in reasoned discussion. Jewish literature is full of questions about a contradiction from other sources or even from the person's own words. But they don't start out with accusations of hypocrisy which is apparently of prime importance for you rather than understanding what is going on.

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  45. Gerald, I now know my husband was plotting to 'get rid of me' from the day I gave birth to 2 beautiful healthy twin boys. If you read the testimony of 'Janet' posted here a few months ago, you would know that my husband went behind my back and set up a trap with my 'best friend'- a chareidi lady with twins of her own to try to have me diagnosed with post partum depression. Luckily, it was impossible to get this diagnosis since the psychiatrist concluded I wasn't suffering from it! My friend led me to believe she was taking me to a child nutritionist to talk about feeding my babies!!! Despite hearing from the psychiatrist herself that there was nothing wrong with me, she spread loshon hora and lies around the whole community, saying I was mentally ill and everyone had to side with Michael. She has since apologised and begged for my forgiveness, realising how she was manipulated by him and his very sick family - do you know his mother and sister are divorced too?
    During my miserabl marriage and even afterwards, my parents did everything for the sake of shalom bayit, to the point of even trying to show compassion for him when he hit me, punched me, pulled my hair. 'Show him love,' they told me, 'he's a very damaged person, 'he needs to grow up,' 'he doesn't know how to treat a wife yet,' 'give it time' 'he's never lived away from home before'. And so I stayed in the most abusive relationship you can imagine- put down day after day, humiliated, shoved around worse than a dog until he made me feel so worthless, I didn't even believe I deserved any better. It is almost impossible to understand abuse unless you or someone close to you has lived through it.
    Nobody should ever have to live with abuse of any kind. Not only did he steal my children but he stole every cent of our joint savings. As a good wife, I handed him all my salary every month and watched it all disappear overnight. I lost everything - except my sanity which he so desperately tried to take too. For that alone, I consider myself lucky

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  46. and regarding the mental hospital, you can read about it here.

    http://daattorah.blogspot.co.at/2014/04/schlesinger-twins-beth-describes-day.html

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  47. Truth Seeker who tells anything but the truth. Why on earth would Beth call her ex spouse by his name after what he has done to her and her children and what he is continuing to do. There are no gaps in Beth's story and why are you so interested in defending Schlesinger he gave up any rights he had when he first raised his hand to his wife. He told a certain rabbi he will win legally or illegally well he held true to his word there - he won illegally with the help of Konstanza Thau what do you think of that truth 'Truth Seeker'. Do you even get how verbally violent and abusive your comments are?

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  48. Beth, you answered my questions,
    all except if you know my ex-wife, Susan.
    I have a wonderful, God sent wife, Yemima. We’re blessed with 3 daughters.
    I personally haven’t experienced and I haven’t seen abuse such as you, Beth,
    describe. I pray for peace prosperity
    health and happiness for all Israel.

    Later today I’m hoping to hear if the NYS
    Court of Appeals will accept my case.

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  49. And to think that the so called leaders of the Jewish Community in Vienna claim they model themselves on the London Community. They couldn't be more different. The Jewish community in Vienna and their leaders religious and lay who have acted so unhesitatingly badly to this beautiful girl and her family! Listening to lies, ignoring Beth and her family and their pleas for help as they watched their daughter and grandchildren being torn to shreds. They don't even come near. The Alexander family are the cream of the British Jewish Community. They - a nice stable family are decent, honourable people, are educated and professional with their two boy Chazanim! The Schlesinger family by contrast...

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  50. Thank you Gerald. No, I do not know your ex-wife but I'm very happy for you that you are now in a happy, loving marriage. The solution many of the most insensitive Rabbis gave me was to move back to England, forget about my children, re-marry and have more! I am appalled at some of the cruel, thoughtless remarks people make. We should all be very careful with our words and treatment of others. Unless we have faced a similar situation ourselves, we cannot judge or advise others. Shana tova and best wishes. May we all have a better year

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  51. Imagine being advised by so-called "religious" people to leave the children you carried for nine months, gave birth to and nurtured under the most disadvantageous conditions (an atmosphere of constant violence will have affected the boys' development - possibly their speech most of all)! What kinds of human beings are these callous people leading the Jews in Vienna? Do they knowingly attempt to produce young members of their community who would end up motherless and at the mercy of a malfunctioning father's family? Although we now know how dangerous some Jewish communities in other countries have been/are for their young people, it is terrible to realize that Vienna falls into the same category. And please don't tell me Beth Alexander is lying. She's one of those rare, precious people who is absolutely scrupulous and trustworthy.

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  52. The question is how can a Jewish Community, ( let alone the vicious husband) in the Western world, be so cruel to a mother and her two small children?

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  53. I notice 'Truth Seeker has slunk away'. Well faced with the truth yet again I shouldn't' wonder. A bully is a coward. As we know Schlesinger is being shielded and enabled by so many in the Jewish Community including the shame of it Rabonnim. Well, we have just seen Chabad Rabbi Telsner stand down in Melbourne...citing his lack of compassion towards victims and in Vienna Chabad Rabbi Jakob Biderman is guilty of not just the same lack of compassion but enabling an abuser.

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  54. @emunah -no - I blocked him because he was clearly not interested in productive discussion

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  55. They'll only do it if there's a story being concealed behind the cruelty, Mark. There must be one here. There can be no other reason. Does the father have a sordid secret that has to be protected at all costs?

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  56. I am a single mom of one kind. I haven't been able to find anyone in my area, or state for that matter that will even speak of polygamy. I am actually looking for a family for me and my sons to be a part of, so we can stop hiding what we truly feel is the way things should be and i need a man that can take care of a good family Of course I have been approached by certain men, but unfortunately most of the time it is perverse in nature. Contact me if you have any sort of questions. susanabonita111@gmail.com

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