Since neither side has responded to my invitation I will simply post their statements that they have made on the Internet.
update - Below are their statements
Yoel Weiss statement from Redeem Rivky Facebook Page.Rivky Stein's statement is from the NY Daily News
Rivky's extensive accusation are also found on the Redeem Rivky website Redeem Rivky website /with documentation and links to article in newspaper and television. These include a statement from her Beis Din of Mill Basin, Mediator's report, court filings and videos.There are also various videos on youtube
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Rivky Stein's viewpoint: From the NY Daily News
An Orthodox Jewish woman who has been unsuccessful in her attempts to secure a religious divorce from her husband has brought her case to social media, hoping to convince him to finally grant her a “get.”
With the help of family and friends, Rivky Stein, 24, created a Facebook page detailing her purportedly nightmarish relationship with hubby Yoel Weiss, 31, whom she married in a religious ceremony shortly after she turned 18 years old, in 2008.
“I want my get very badly,” she told the News. “But this is not just about me. It’s about fixing the problem so it doesn’t happen to anyone else.”
They had two children together, but Stein left Weiss after a series of alleged abuses, which she says included raping her and punching her in the stomach while she was pregnant. She says she never sought to have him criminally charged, but is now speaking to the Brooklyn District Attorney’s office.
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Yoel Weiss viewpoint
My name is Yoeli Weiss. Unfortunately, I'm involved with a messy divorce and custody battle widely publicized by my wife Rivky Stein. On the advice of an adam gadol I stayed silent for the past two years, not responding to the many false ugly accusations she concocted against me and my family. Recently however, she caused an outrageous chillul Hashem. She launched a website exposing herself-- posting seductive pictures of herself, sharing false stories, with delusional graphical bedroom scenarios, inciting men and women in our frum community to be busy debating it. I was told, that her website was negatively circulating among the hottest topics in the mikva, beis hemedrish, at home, at work, and of course on the social media network. The website is nothing but a fabricated story caused by her desperate need for attention. Not satisfied with the massive feedback and the amount of money she raised through her website, she moved her chillel Hashem to the next level, when she shared her false website story together with some family photographs to the Daily News. I spoke to this adam gadol again yesterday, he voiced his great concern for klal yisroel. He is currently engaging other rabonem making them aware of this new chillul Hashem through social media, a dangerous tactic invented by Rivky Stein. This is a ''kosher porno website'' camouflaged under a ''free aguna site''. This adam gadol urged me to respond and obey the positive commandment of the torah ''V'huyesem Nemeyiem M'shem V'myisroel Amo''. Accordingly I am writing this letter.
My name is Yoeli Weiss. Unfortunately, I'm involved with a messy divorce and custody battle widely publicized by my wife Rivky Stein. On the advice of an adam gadol I stayed silent for the past two years, not responding to the many false ugly accusations she concocted against me and my family. Recently however, she caused an outrageous chillul Hashem. She launched a website exposing herself-- posting seductive pictures of herself, sharing false stories, with delusional graphical bedroom scenarios, inciting men and women in our frum community to be busy debating it. I was told, that her website was negatively circulating among the hottest topics in the mikva, beis hemedrish, at home, at work, and of course on the social media network. The website is nothing but a fabricated story caused by her desperate need for attention. Not satisfied with the massive feedback and the amount of money she raised through her website, she moved her chillel Hashem to the next level, when she shared her false website story together with some family photographs to the Daily News. I spoke to this adam gadol again yesterday, he voiced his great concern for klal yisroel. He is currently engaging other rabonem making them aware of this new chillul Hashem through social media, a dangerous tactic invented by Rivky Stein. This is a ''kosher porno website'' camouflaged under a ''free aguna site''. This adam gadol urged me to respond and obey the positive commandment of the torah ''V'huyesem Nemeyiem M'shem V'myisroel Amo''. Accordingly I am writing this letter.
Minus some
minor discords that occur among most newlyweds, after being happily
married for 4 years, out of the blue in the spring of 2012, being under
the spell of some demon[s], she suddenly decided to destroy her family
and did not return home. Without ever mentioning before a single word
about demanding a divorce, she initiated an aggressive and hostile
(secular) court proceedings against me and my entire (extended) family,
which included obtaining an order of protection against me totally under
false pretences. Thereafter, over the next few months she caused me to
be arrested 5 times, again with false accusations, and each time after
spending the night in jail, her allegations were dismissed by the court
as meritless. Eventually, the court realized her viciousness, terminated
all orders of protection. In her litigation, she concocted the most
ludicrous horrifying illogical accusations, all with the hope of a
single goal to secure full custody of our two children, while at the
same time seeking a money judgment reward of nothing less than 480
million dollars. I hired an attorney who is representing me in this
messy litigation process, and the courts are slowly chipping away from
her story and realizing the truth. As well, members of my family have
had to hire an attorney, at the cost of tens of thousands of dollars.
Notwithstanding
her accusations, the pain and shame she brought onto me and my entire
innocent family, neither ,I nor anyone in my family ever retaliated in
any way shape or form against her, not even by saying one bad word
against her. After all, she is the mother of my two children. While I
have enough unpleasant information about her and her family, and
specifically about the two acquaintances, responsible for wrecking my
home, I decline sharing this or any other lashan harahs with the public,
simply because this is not the derech haTorah, and then again she is
the mother of my children and I wish to spare my children this pain.
Sooner or later, my children will be able to understand it all, and it’s
my hope and desire that when they grow up, they'll realize that their
father sacrificed his own pride by not divulging and exposing their
mother, all in order to secure their well being. Rivky, on the other
hand, seems not to care about the children at all. Her stability has
been on a seesaw, and is, unfortunately, on a constant decline. The
judge presiding two years on the marital case finally got the gist of
what's really going on, recently ordered a complete psychiatric
evaluation on her. Her impulsive and outrageous behavior with her
website and the media speaks for itself.
As a father of two
adorable children, I'm sincerely concerned that she can Chas vesholem
end up harming them either physically or emotionally or both. That's why
I am now fighting for full custody before it’s, chas vesholem, too
late. Once the custody issue is resolved, she will receive her get with
pleasure, and she can go l’chaim ve-l’sholem wherever her heart desires.
Rivky does have issues: she is desperately seeking attention. And yes,
she is a great actress, very convincing, believes in her own lines and
her own illusions, therefore she comes across sincere and honest. I
perfectly understand how some of the public is being swipalloeded away
by her website, becoming quickly judgmental without giving me the
slightest benefit of the doubt that perhaps there is something wrong
with her story. Wouldn't you ask yourself, if her story would remotely
hold the truth, why would the judge dismiss her allegations along with
the orders of protection, and award me equal custody rights? I am
certain you all recall the name Susan Smith. She too put up an act that
the public was so convinced, but not the professionals. She too cried in
front of the cameras attempting to convince the world that a black man
killed her children. However, despite all her acting talents, the truth
in the end always prevails, however it was too late -- she already
killed her two children.
Rivky's website and u tube comes across
sincere and honest. I know it’s hard not to believe her. Were I be an
outsider not knowing her, I would probably believe her too. After all,
she has fooled me and my entire family for more than 4 years. The
highlight of her acting talents was played out during the last few weeks
when we lived together. Over that period she secretly made plans and
arrangements for an order of protection and to move in with her foster
parents, while at the same time being an actress, she played and showed a
most peaceful beautiful atmosphere at our home, and a most wonderful
romantic relationship between us. So, I am asking the innocent public
who is clinging to her website, to please give me the benefit of the
doubt. Check carefully with her friends and the court rebuttals. Please
don't get caught up in accepting and believing and repeating this lashan
harah. I am certain many of her 5 thousand followers (as she claims on
her website she has) are voicing their opinions believing its purely
l'shem shumayem. I beg you to be careful and patient till the outcome of
the court proceeding-- the very proceedings she initiated, before you
condemn and slander an innocent person. Ultimately the truth may leave
you feeling guilty for jumping to conclusions prematurely.
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Regarding her RICO charges see this post - co-defendants lawyers' responses
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Here is confirmation that Shira Dicker is behind the pr campaign
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Here is confirmation that Shira Dicker is behind the pr campaign
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Guest post by Recipients and Publicity.
What is the purpose of the PR campaign by Rivky Stein-Weiss?
One possibility may be that Yoel could just throw the towel in and obtain a "heter meah rabbonim" and just leave Rivky to rot on the vine so she is getting in a pre-emptive strike to tie his hands. But there is more, from the RICO complaint it is clear that like the Count of Monte Cristo who was wrongfully exiled to the chateau, she is out for one thing "revenge" at all costs and that is both a high-stakes gamble and a very dangerous thing because it could backfire in unexpected ways. "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" they say.
Another possibility may be that Rivky is both short of cash and is hungry for PR. Somehow or other she may have been connected with the Dodelsons or some others with cash to burn on behalf of Agunos and the Dodelsons or ORA-backers who give money for Agunas that are PERHAPS giving her cash and funding this PR campaign.
Every cause needs its martyrs and living examples and right now Rivky is the perfect "poster child" for the cause of "poor little agunos" fighting the "horrible ogre" mean husbands who do not want to give them a get.
So Rivky is perhaps being used by the Dodelsons or some other very rich supporters who help her connect with the Shira Dicker-type publicists and pay for web sites, web hosting and all the PR trimmings by getting her story in the papers and onto online social networking sites and beyond.
What it boils down to is an implied statement by the women fighting for a get, that they have just traded in one set of "fixers" for another.
Now that they do not have recourse to heavy-handed physical tactics they instead are now using PUBLICISTS and the media and the Internet to the same ends, to fight back (as they see it) and "beat up" on the "recalcitrant" husbands.
Now as if to say "you may have stopped us in one way by blocking our access to the rabbis who used to beat you up and force you to sign, now instead we will use the PUBLICISTS and media and the Internet to shmeer you so badly you will wish you weren't born" it's a do or die battle to the death as it were.
After all if some women and their backers could afford to pay $50,000 to have their exes beaten up they can also easily find a willing PR hack who can do the same damage verbally to the reputations, careers, names and families of the get-refusers, because as they say "all's fair in love and war"!
No doubt here may be other reasons but for now this is some food for thought.
How are the battle-lines shaping up at this early stage?
Men: sympathize with the guy (Yoel) she is a liar and manipulative and craves attention. She's from a troubled background what can you expect from a crazy mixed up kid?
Women: what other options did Rivky have? she couldn't threaten to have him beaten up, Yoel's family threatened her, Yoel refused to give a get, he could get a heter meah rabbonim and leave her to rot, and Yoel was abusive to her and the kids and a just a nightmare.
So, people are just basically mindlessly lining up, in a male versus female thing. Women support Rivky while men have a kneejerk response for supporting Yoel.
Take your pick.
Whose is really to blame?
The real parties to blame were the cynical shadchanim who set them up: a guy who left his very chasidish family to be more "modern" (meaning dress and act outwardly "yeshivish" but inwardly he's confused) and matched him up with a beguilingly good looking yet equally troubled teen of 18 (Rivky) looking for a good life who was vulnerable and had been in foster care most of her life.
The problem is that there are currently many off the derech (OTD) or near off the derech kids being married off as a "cures" for their problems which actually only makes it worse because what happens is they then have a kid or two, revert back to their patterns of abusive behavior or manipulation, or passive aggression or what have you and then there is an explosion.
Normal people from normal families don't get it, they project their normal assumptions onto a scenario that is just crazy from the start.
There is no solution really, sad as it may be it's the truth, this is a "war of the sexes" and part of the ongoing "sexual revolution" that has not been tamed and has infiltrated even the best Jewish homes all over, added to the massive breakdown of society it's a high speed downward spiral that will just go on and get much worse until Mashiach comes.
Even in the Talmud there are situations of "teiku" where the great sages have no answers and leave it up to Eliyahu to come up with future solutions, and today there are tragically plenty of "teikus" that only Eliyahu Hanovi could solve for us.
I was told that Shira Dicker of Dodelson's pr battle is a major factor
ReplyDeleteWho is paying her?
Do people think having another clown pull off such a media campaign makes the Dodlesohns look less bad.
It makes me think even lower of the Dodlesohns. They did their horrible media campaign/redifa, and now they have a brought another shrew to pull off such a campaign. Just horrible.
Did anyone ever hear of that Mill Basin "Beit Din" that the wife is using? It seems to be a for-hire rogue ad hoc "beit din" that does what it is paid for. They issued a so-called psak that the husband is halakhicly mandated by the beit din to give her a Get even thought they admit he never appeared (or accepted jurisdiction) of their so-called beit din. If he didn't accept them and never appeared in front of them, it is halachicly prohibited and impossible for them to order him to giver a Get or issue a ruling stating he is required to give one.
ReplyDeleteDicker is not frum. She is Conservative. It is ironic how she sticks her non-frum head into a halachic matter.
ReplyDeleteThis is a custody dispute. The Get is the last instrument issued in a divorce proceeding after the entire process has been (halachicly) resolved. This case is still open-ended and thus she can't expect a Get before all outstanding divorce issues and proceedings are resolved. (Especially if there's any issue of her violating his halachic rights insofar as custody is concerned.)
ReplyDeleteThe allegations she and her anonymous "mediator" are making against him
ReplyDeleteare surreal and seem science-fiction like. Her claims against him of
what he allegedly did to her are both unsubstantiated, were never
reported to the police for over two years since they allegedly happened
and only know when this dispute went public did she suddenly make them,
and they do not have the ring of truth.
What'sthis business of using ad hoc batei din? She couldn't find a borough park (where she lives now) or fatbush (where she ived while married, before the ridiculous rape stories) to issue a seruv?
ReplyDelete(The monsey /los angeles wife also used such an ad hoc bet din? Not enough batei din in LA or monsey?)
As always you must follow the money. Are her multiple lawsuits being funded by caring friends or ORA? once you know that, the rest of the pieces will fall into place. There are known askonim in Boro Park that pay rent for any woman getting divorced regardless of circumstances. Finally, as always, a great rachmonis on the children.
ReplyDeleteYou people are sick...If she wants a get halachically a court is required to beat the crap out of him until he agrees. No strings attached. A 23 yr old woman with 2 kids does not suddenly decide to take it to the media that her husband beat the shit out of her, raped, and enslaved her. You don't see her asking anywhere for 10 million dollars for all the pain and suffering like you would in any other similar case.
ReplyDeleteShe would be hired even if she wasn't Jewish. She is a media personality who runs a PR firm. She is not doing this out of conviction, she is doing it for money. Actually, she is doing out of conviction that she should make money!
ReplyDeleteWhat's worth is how they somehow managed to conclude with "certainty" that he was a mechalel Shabbos and did not keep taharas hamishpacha. And they never even met him!
ReplyDeletePlease tell me where in Shulchan Aruch it says the beis din is required to beat him up until he agrees? which beis din has heard both sides and produced the conclusion that you have pulled out of thin air? Where have the secular courts ruled that the facts are as she claimed?
ReplyDeleteIt's in a gemara...don't remember which one. You give him lashes until he agrees. The Rabbeim were arguing in there if this was a problem with him voluntarily giving the get. In the end they ruled that it was ok.
ReplyDeleteYou are sick..... There's not one shred of evidence that her husband beat the @$%^ out of her, raped, and enslaved her. Actually, it looks very suspicious when she just thought of it at the time she began her PR campaign! The fact that she filed six criminal complaints against her husband during this custody battle, and they were all dismissed, reveals her as a vicious drama-queen liar.
ReplyDeleteSo what you are saying is that unless a woman has concrete proof that her husband beat her then it must be that he didnt' beat her.. wow. my mother never reported things to the police b/c 1. she was scared stiff.. 2. because it is known that abusers are worse when they get freed..
ReplyDeleteLooks like this is a bit of a special case, since the Weiss family seems to be heavily involved in illicit activities.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.redeemrivky.com/uploads/2/3/0/0/23001734/2014-3.02.28_first_amended_complaint_filed.pdf
Are you for real? A woman wants a divorce. She claims he beat her, that he molested the kids and that he snores. He categorically denies it. There is no evidence.
ReplyDeleteYou as a judge would automatically believe her?
What if he claimed she was a prostitute, stole his money, and spits at his mother. But she denies it. Do we automatically believe him simply because he is making a claim?
In the literature this is referred to as he says/ she says.
there has to be some supportive evidence to believe one side over the other.
Or put another way. I say that there is a pink elephant standing behind you that only I can see. Would you believe me? why not?
And you are the guy who wrote a book about domestic violence?
ReplyDeleteLets get something straight here
ReplyDeleteFirst, make up your mind: Are we sick, or are you sick?
Secondly, why does she want a get prior to the conclusion of her custody battle??? Does any healthy, responsible and sane parent begin dating prior to having completed custody arraignments and battles?
There are plenty of people who have already stepped up to talk about his abuse. There is plenty of evidence.
Who, what, when and where? I am waiting sources in a calm and intelligent way.
How does any woman prove that she was raped years after she finally gets free of her insane husband?
Please make up your mind. Is there evidence or there isn't evidence????
Are you seriously saying that for a man who controlled every aspect of his wifes life should go free because he was careful to not get caught? Are you for real??????
Actually, it goes the other way. Are you seriously saying that for a woman who controlled every aspect of her husbands life should go free because she was careful to not get caught? Are you for real??????
There is nothing suspicious about her getting her story out to other people for help.
Un huh. Right. Why didn't she think of telling anyone about the supposed abuses prior to preparing her vicious and vindictive PR campaign???
Amazing how t goes from not telling anyone, to telling the whole world!
By the way: is criminal activity (like money laundering) on the husband's side grounds for divorce according to halacha? Or will a wife who leaves a husband because he is part of a money laundering scheme be considered a "moredes"?
ReplyDelete@reparim you have me at a disadvantage since you think you can make up halacha as you go along while I am stuck with the Shulchan Aruch and commentaries.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that she wants a get - does not automatically mean that he is required to give a get. Please see the many articles I posted about ma'os alei. If the beis din paskens that he must give her a get then it is true that he must give her a get. But no beis din has heard both sides so there is no halachic obligation for him to give a get at this time.
The fact that a lot of people have stepped up - doesn't mean that the evidence has any validity. It might all come from her claims that have repeated by many people. a beis din needs to listen and rule on the evidence. Apparently some of her claims have been thrown out be the secular court. Do you still insist that they are all valid?!
Please read a little about divorce. Lawyers adivse women to claim the husband sexually abused the kids. There was a case in Lakewood a few years ago in which the wife confessed - ten years after getting her divorce by destroying her husbands reputation with such lies - that she had lied at the suggestion of her lawyer. There are many such cases.
So while you are correct that rape is difficult to prove - but that doesn't mean that therefore we should believe every claim of rape. What system of justice do you subscribe to that accepts such a rule?
You bet I am for real. It's a sorry state of affairs that if a woman does not have concrete proof that the abusive ex husband can get custody of the kids etc. My father put black and blue marks on my mother and countless other acts of violences.. not to mention violence on me and my siblings.. and in this crazy court system even eye witness can be discredited and then goes countless years of pain.. !! my father poisoned my siblings against my mother and claimed SHE was the abusive one.
ReplyDeleteI understand that is it hard for a judge to decide.. but on the same level I think that it is horrible than all an abuser has to do is take a good shower and get a good lawyer to get custody of his kids! how is that justice?
ReplyDeleteyeah it could be that i was the one poisoned but highly unlikely since I was a victim of the abuse as well!
ReplyDeleteIn a divorce ruling, it is enough to prove that marriage has become untenable. Or to wait out the separation period. That's not like criminal court where guilt has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
ReplyDeleteI have learned plenty about divorce in my years. You are also very mistaken that there is no proof if his insansity. There are recordings of his voice saying some pretty inane things. Don't know how much more proof you need. And if you think that those recordings are fake, I have actually called him up and can verify that the voice is the same as in the recordings. During our conversation I could tell something was really wrong with this guy...Sure that isn't proof but you don't need to wait for a sociopath to kill someone to be sure he is out of his mind.
ReplyDeleteThere is a reason the torah instructed the judges to be clever. There are plenty of cases in sanhedrin where there was not 2 witnesses and the judges had to be clever to find the truth.
Regardless of the bad apple in lakewood, you cannot presume to say that every woman is therefore a liar unless she can provide evidence. She wants a get - you're telling me he's doing the right thing by not giving it to her? Not sure what religion you practice but I don't ever recall the torah every promoting agunot.
If she cannot prove anything then fine don't give her any money or whatever "extortion" you may think she is attempting. Hashem will pay her whatever she deserves in the end regardless. But to say that he does not need to giver her a get when she requested it is absurd.
i don't believe that Rivky has any credibility, in her RICO complaint she claims that she was kidnapped , locked up and deprived of food.....
ReplyDeleteThere has been new videos posted onto youtube and its clear that Yoel did not kidnap or deprive Rivky from food or anything. Rivky is actually videoed herself having a good time in Canada. not by the force of her husband..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1XcwpXAlEg
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB9TkxtDcDk
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7aNm5qratw
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DzPAJuDSwk
again please tell me the mechanism of justice?
ReplyDeleteWell in the video about Canada with the children she looks like a quite desperate woman who tries to make the best of a situation that does not really seem nice. She seems to spend a lot of time alone at home with the children, no toys are visible...
ReplyDeleteHonestly not sure but what you are espousing is that a woman and children can be treated to violence by the father/husband and if there is no hard evidence then it's as if it didn't happen.. and therefore made up? so are you espousing that domestic violence does not exist?
ReplyDeleteIs spousal rape grounds for divorce according to halacha?
ReplyDeleteIs criminal activity on the husband's side (e.g. money laundering or theft from others) grounds for divorce according to halacha?
Will a woman who moves out of the marital home because she does not want to live on the proceeds of crime be considered a moredes?
you are claiming that you have heard him say some pretty inane things - what does that have to do with what she is claiming?
ReplyDeleteAre you a psychiatrist? On what basis have you decided that there is something really wrong with this guy? You sound like a lynch mob - that just knows hanging is the solution.. Same logic - kill the guy to make sure he doesn't hurt someone- even though you have no real proof of guilt.
You are the one who sounds like a danger to society.
A beis din has not yet heard both sides - why are you being "clever" and deciding who is guilty? Halacha is clear that you can not judge without hearing both sides.
Unfortunately you dont' understand halacha - but simply insist that whatever you think is right must be the halacha. There is no concept in Jewish law of get on demand. Nor was there in secular society until about 20 years ago. An aguna is not someone who has demanded a get because she thinks she can do better and the husband says no.
Bottom line: Please become better educated about divorce halacha so you won't be so mistaken about the fundamentals.
@DT - does a single case of a corrupt lawyer prove they are all criminals? I would like to see more evidence please.
ReplyDeletehonestly you are living in a fantasy world. No I am not claiming that domestic violence doesn't exist. But are you saying that false charges don't happen? That is why there is a court system - to evaluate the charges. But there needs to be some evidence to decide.
ReplyDeleteYou might read of the cases where people are sent to jail or executed because someone made false claims. You need a system to evalatuate EVIDENCE
Eddie we are not dealing with a single case. Please do a Google search on false claims in divorce cases. If you can't find anything get back to me.
ReplyDeleteHonestly I think that this is a case about which is best to keep quiet until all the facts are out.
ReplyDeleteA Federal criminal complaint(if there is one) is no joke. Someone is going to go to jail at the end of it, either him or her. It is way to easy to make a major Chilul Hashem on this by simply thinking you can find all of the facts somewhere online.
If she can bring evidence in Federal Court to back up her statements... well then... I will decide then.
I am not living in a fantasy world. I have been living this abuse chaos for almost my whole life! Of course false charges happen.. not saying not.. but what you are espousing is that because there is no clear cut evidence then you can't say it happened.. what kind of evidence should there be to prove that in fact it was the husband that hit his wife before relations? or that he forced himself on her? how do you prove that he twisted her arm? or choked her? how do you prove these things if they happened in the four walls of their home'??
ReplyDeleteWell, I think the testimony from the mediator is pretty good evidence. You might want to call the Rabbi cited in this report and ask him to confirm the claims made about him (that he knows Yoel Weiss from age 15 and that he saw a highly pregnant Rivky Weiss sweating at the Pizza oven, and that Yoel Weiss refused to assign her to a different place of work.)
ReplyDeleteIf you don't want to use the justice system then the burden is for you to justify punishing people when there is no evidence.
ReplyDeleteso it's like a catch 22.. on the one hand you don't want to punish those that are innocent.. yet at the same time it allows those who are truly guilty to not be punished for their crimes.. so how is that justice?
ReplyDeleteThey have been heard by both sides. Where do you get your info from because it seems like you lack much of it.
ReplyDeleteIn one of his calls he specifically says that he will not give her a get for at least 5 years because she asked 5 times. What part of sane is that to you? In another call he clearly talks about his kids like they are nothing but pawns for his game to make her suffer. There are a few others posted as well.
According to your reasoning if i come up to you and threaten to kill you the next day...nothing should be done to me simply because you cannot provide anyone else evidence that I've threatened you and you should only take action after I've fulfilled my word on killing you. Brilliant!
Rabbeinu Tam argued that a community can use social pressure and ostracization against a recalcitrant husband to pressure him into giving a get.
Bottom line: if she wants a get - we are obligated to help her get one. Not bicker on whatever else she does or has not done. She wants a get you, and I, and everyone else - is required to help. Is it really so complicated?
It's not about punishing. it's about asking him to give a get!
ReplyDeleteWhat Federal criminal complaint? There is none and likely never will be one. The Feds have better things to do with their time to make cases with than a two year old he-said/she-said bitter custody dispute where the a disputant is throwing whatever mud she can think of and hope something sticks. Prosecutors don't tend to mix in to religious doctrinal theological disputes just because someone starts kvetching unsubstantiated claims that someone was nasty to her years ago.
ReplyDeleteOf course the court threw them out - how exactly is she going to prove years of rape without evidence? Daas Torah has apparently decided that because it is difficult to prove we should just leave it be.
ReplyDeleteoh yeah .. and it seems that his sister who is also named in the lawsuit started a bog JUST to throw a poor boy under the bus. The blog has one post only. It seems that a boy decided he did not want to pursue marriage with her when her notorious criminal uncle shulom weiss was too much for him confounded with the fact that she herself was suddenly being sued by her sister in law .. so she decided she'll start a blog and write one post to ruin his life ... yep .. I see a theme here. Everyone else is ruining this family's "good" name except the family themselves.
ReplyDeleteYou are making up lies. I never said that because it is difficult to prove we should leave it be.
ReplyDeleteI am simply pointing out the obvious - you need some sort of evidence to convict a person of a crime
what beis din had heard both sides and issued a psak? You seem to be making up facts as you go along.
ReplyDeleteAgain you don't understand elementary facts. If you claim someone is trying to kill you - but you provide absolutely no evidence - what is the court supposed to do? Put the person in jail?
She seems quite happy to be in Toronto in the video posted earlier on this thread.
ReplyDeleteyou have correctly summarized the problem faced by all court systems.
ReplyDeleteA wife is NOT entitled to receive a Get simply because she wants one and asks for it. Unless it is warranted, a husband has no obligation to divorce his wife if he doesn't want to. This is plain black and white halacha. (Similarly, a wife has the right to refuse to accept a Get from her husband if she wants to stay married to him.)
ReplyDeleteSo you want people to be punished whenever they are accused, even without any proof? We should accept accusations without proof and assume they are true even though it may be a lie?
ReplyDeleteLet's talk when you show me a video showing how much love she has for her husband. Every mother will spend her time doting on her kids. The videos mean nothing when it comes to the psychology related to abuse ... she is using a video camera as opposed to a phone video ... does she have a phone available? See I can infer things from the video as well. She says how much she loves her kids and makes videos of them ... someone took pictures of her husband and her on horses, which by the way did not show a smile on her husbands face and put it together deliberately within a heart graphic effect .... find me the video where she dotes on the husband.
ReplyDeleteWell, good sir, how exactly do you get more evidence when you know you won't find any? Unless you have a time machine - you must know something I don't.
ReplyDeleteStrictly going by halacha this man will walk free because there was not two witnesses most likely for any of these events.
But she IS asking for a get, what grounds do you stand on by saying we are not obligated to help her get one?
How do you also re-conciliate the recordings of him clearly being being cruel? How many recordings does he have of her saying she is happy with him or that she wants to use the children as pawns? Why don't you give the guy a call and ask him some questions. I can give you his number if you'd like.
It says in the torah if you know someone is going out to kill you - you must ambush and kill them first.
If neither of them are able to give you conclusive evidence of who is making up stories - how do you proceed with her getting a get? You simply look at the relevant facts, she wants a get and he refuses to give one - nothing else matters unless proven. Make sense or am I missing something here?
Cheva, I don't know either the husband or wife here, nor do I know the facts of this case. But I do strongly suspect a massive fraud is being perpetrated against the husband by skilled feminist PR jackals.
ReplyDeleteOn the wife's Redeemrivky website, a "seruv" against the husband from a "Beit Din Tzedek of Marine Park and Mill Basin" is posted. The address on that "seruv" is 1278 E. 77nd St., Brooklyn, NY. On both mapquest.com and Google maps NO such address exists! According to mapquest.com, the addresses on E.77th St. only run from 501-999!
VICE... you crack me up,, no one knows what you are talking about, let alone it seems so off topic... why don't you stick with the facts of this case....
ReplyDeletesee video below, Rivky having a blast with her videos while going to canada... "NO ONE KIDNAPPED HER"
"NO ONE IS FORCING HER TO TAKE THE VIDEOS"
VICE, see for yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRm0sHvKDZo
VICE. LOL .. you crack me up,, no one knows what you are talking about, let alone it seems so off topic... why don't you stick with the facts of this case....
ReplyDeletesee video below, Rivky having a blast with her videos while going to canada... "NO ONE KIDNAPPED HER"
"NO ONE IS FORCING HER TO TAKE THE VIDEOS"
VICE, see for yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRm0sHvKDZo
Vice: That fake blog was not started by his sister. It was almost surely
ReplyDeletestarted by agents of his embittered sister-in-law, Rivkie Stein and her
P.R. agent Conservative-Jew Shira Dicker who is running Rivkie's PR
show here, and falsely posted in the name of his sister "Ruchie" who
clearly never wrote that imbecilic blog post. It was openly and
obviously written to make the sister and her brother look bad.
Except that Rivkie Stein knew who her husband Yoel Weiss' uncle was before she married him. This is not news to her.
ReplyDeleteNow can you kindly inform us about Rivkie Stein's broken family? Her parents couldn't get along with each other and bring her up so they farmed her out to a foster home I take it.
Are you speculating that he is warranted in this particular case to NOT give her a GET? I can speculate too on the little info we have. For example .. a man is not allowed to RAPE HIS WIFE. If he does ... he should give her a GET when she asks for it. See ow easy it is to speculate both ways.
ReplyDeleteThat is funny .. his sister made similar conclusions about a boy who refused to marry her ... what a strange thing.
ReplyDeleteI don't want those who are innocent to be punished without proof.. but those that are guilty to be punished even without concrete evidence.. sorry but my family has suffered for over 30 years and even now that my father passed away we continue to suffer.. sigh
ReplyDeleteAlso, he refuses to come to beis din...so I'm not sure what you are expecting. When a man who's had 4 summons IN the area he lives not show up to court - there is not much guess work that one would need to do. I have the document from the court that first summoned him and has listed out all the facts. We will never hear his side of the story because he knows there's nothing to tell other than yes please lock me up.
ReplyDeleteHey - Weiss friend ... I see you going around to every blog to do weisses dirty work. If someone files a federal complaint .. such as kidnapping .. across state lines and internationally ... you would think that maybe that person did it because they have evidence. In the court documents it is very detailed and includes car rides across an international border. There exists proof at that border, on the date in question whether that occurred or not and who was in the car. If she was in the car with his brother and one kid and there is proof .. her story is already corroborated. I don't know about you but when I move to another country with my husband and kids, I do not do so with only one of my children in a car with my brother in law. So no worries ... either the proof exists or it does not. Time will tell.
ReplyDeleteyes I know.. and that is truly unfortunate as people like me suffer for it..
ReplyDeleteAre criminal activities on the husband's side grounds for divorce?
ReplyDeleteThey can issue an order of protection, which requires less stringent proof than a condemnation.
ReplyDeleteSounds kind of logical, doesn't it?
vice , why don't you just stick to the conversation....
ReplyDeleteVICE... all videos are online.... on YOUTUBE.COM or google search "Rivky stein" and you will get the same results as i did....
ReplyDeleteUmm I'll answer that when you look up psychology of abuse victims who
ReplyDeleteare abused by people with insecurities who need affirmation all the time
to feel respected. What I see in the video is a woman who is looking OUTSIDE of her life .. she says over and over again I love you to her baby and her pitch changes at the end to one final "I love You" ... Seems to me she is being protective of her kids. We can go on and on with this .... but nothing you have posted shows a loving relationship with a non abusive husband. Abuse victims are very good at apologizing for their abusers and leaving and coming back and living a cycle of moments where it all seems ok. None of these videos prove she was not abused anymore than they prove she was. The videos don't tell anything related to her accusations. The only things that will corroborate her stories are the documentation of dates and time and witnesses who saw certain things etc .... she may or may not have it. But I am right now inclined to believe that someone who makes a detailed indictment against a man has something to bring to the table. Time will tell.
VICE.... you are going to much into the details, look at the big picture, i am not saying that they had a good marriage, i am just pointing out that she wasn't kidnapped, as she claims... and she wasn't forced against her own will.
ReplyDeletethey are having there ups and downs, just like every other marriage
it's a simple store... two babies got married and are fighting like babies.... there are kids involved, they were in court until, Rivky started suing everyone she knew, in federal court.... and she is going to eat her own bad doing....
VICE.. i am going to say this again... i am not talking about the aspect of abuse... no one knows what goes on behind doors. but from this videos it's clear to me that this store is not about kidnapping, torture, starvation or his weiss uncle... as Rivky is trying to spin it to be....
ReplyDeletesaid well, thanks ..
ReplyDeleteGoyishe Kup - you are NOT listening .. this was a different trip than the one she claims was against her will in January 2011 ...as you can see in your own comment, this video is from may 24 2012 and does not make any point regarding claims that she was taken to canada and forced to stay there for 2 and a half months from january 2011. Do you not understand the difference in TIIME and DATE?
ReplyDeleteThe videos make NOTHING clear. Any woman who is allegedly threatened from time to time that if she leaves she will be punished and is being watched or claims that she was left at her in laws house who were told to keep her from leaving or who claims on one specific trip to have been forced to travel to canada and remain there to do work against her desires and wishes for 2 and a half months .. is not something that can be disproved because some videos exist of her doting on her children at a window, in an airport, a pizza shop or a park. The videos prove NOTHING, except the existence of all parties in question.
ReplyDeletei really hope she doesn't end up in jail... if you read her complaint or her amended complaint... she comes across like a liar.... if you know the people she is accused other then her husband... i know she is a liar..
ReplyDeleteVICE... again your going into the details and you just want to avoid the facts.... You are saying that in 2011, it was against her will, and rivky was kidnapped... but in 2012 she went willing to canada. that makes a lot of sense...
ReplyDeleteVICE, from the videos you could clearly see that Rivky could do whatever pleased her, she does what ever she wanted, they seemed to have a beautiful apartment...... she was skyping with her son....
ReplyDeletethese are just a few videos, i am sure there will be more to come...
Maybe she is ... but I gather that someone who makes allegations of credit card fraud and money laundering against people knows that she will be expected to have the documented money trails and credit card proof ... so ... I wouldn't immediately say she comes across as a liar .... and if you are trying to espouse the "halo effect" idea .. that you know so and so to be an upstanding citizen and good yid so she must be a liar for accusing that person .... you are really desperate. Whether or not she is a liar will have nothing to do with who she accused.
ReplyDelete"VICE... again your going into the details and you just want to avoid the
ReplyDeletefacts.... You are saying that in 2011, it was against her will, and
rivky was kidnapped... but in 2012 she went willing to canada. that
makes a lot of sense..."
GK - u still don't get it. What happens one time has no bearing with what happens another time when it comes to domestic abuse. One day he lets her go to a grocery store and gives her money ...the next day he does not and takes her wallet and phone. One day he may tell her he loves her and he is sorry for all the trouble .. and the next day he might slap her and rape her. That being said ... you dont truly know where they were going together in that video and why and you dont know if she really wanted to go and he threatened if she did not he would take the kids and keep them there. You know nothing .. So keep repeating yourself like a broken record .. but it does not change the facts ... and frankly "details" is what proves or disproves facts, and I can't possibly focus on details because we are not privy to them. The fact that you can look at a video that claims to take place somewhere specific because that is the heading some biased party included ... even if it really did take place there ... and claim you know what is behind everything is what is troubling with your whole diatribe. You don't have the details. You don't know what happened before and after any video turned on and off. You don't know what is off camera and you don't know the scenario behind what you see happening in a video ... unless you are one of two people ... Rivky or Yoel.
The rico document says that Rivka was in Canada in early 2011, not in May 2012. Furthermore, the daughter is much smaller in the other video that is purportedly from Canada. Here she walks. On the other video, she is just a few months old and sits in a baby seat.
ReplyDeleteSo it cannot be that this video was taken just before the other....
Who is trying to lie here?
Anyone with half a brain can tell that blog was setup by someone who hates the sister and her brother and wants to make them look bad. She wouldn't have put her address , name, nickname and mentioned how long her uncle was sentenced to prison for if she had written that blog post herself.
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't take much brains to realize that blog was setup by someone whop hates the Weiss family.
If this couple was not legally married, it can be assumed that she probably has sole custody. In this case, keeping the children away from her against her will would be counted as kidnapping.
ReplyDeleteIf she can substantiate her claims in the rico document and convince a jury, her not-husband might go to jail for quite a long time.
Now you start crying orphan when someone is defended after the poor baby has been going across the internet spreading lies and making false allegations in court and to the authorities?
ReplyDeleteYou are like the kid who killed his parents and asked the judge for mercy since he is an "orphan".
From everything I've read, there is little to no proof of this woman's claims. A lot of these claims sound like vitriolic slander by a woman that knows that if she doesn't strain her husband's name somehow that her kids will go back home to their father. Since I'm sure she can't legally get alimony from a religious marriage, that leaves child support. The plot thickens and, quite frankly, sickens. I feel sorry for all the ridiculous people giving this woman their hard-earned money on gofundme. But, like the old saying goes, a fool and his money are quickly parted.
ReplyDeleteI don't know these two, at all. So don't bother insinuating that I'm a Weiss plant. I just call it like I see it.
Note that he used the S word multiple times in one of those recordings. I don't look nearly as frum as he does, but I would never use such language.
ReplyDeleteVice: 1) The default in halacha is that there is no requirement to give a GET. If a wife insists on forcing him to give a GET she has the burden of proof to demonstrate that halacha entitles her to force him to give her a Get against his wishes. Normally halacha doesn't require a husband to give a GET against his will even if his wife wants one. So if you or she believes she is entitled to a GET, you must prove 1) what halachic basis she is entitled to a GET on and 2) PROOF that those requirements were met. In fact the proof requirements are so strong that Shulchan Aruch specifically says that if she demands a GET on the basis of abuse, then beis din must place a witness in the home to see if he abuses her. That's how strong halacha demands evidence in this case. Secondly, according to halacha there is no such concept of "raping" your own wife.
ReplyDeleteRabbi Eidensohn,with all due respect,could you explain to us why you feel that you have to get involved in every family fight all over the world ?,here you are a simple jew living in Israel and all of a sudden you are involving yourself in a family fight in NYC.it is a family you yourself admit you don't know them from Adam,
ReplyDeletebesides the issur of rechilus and lashon horah involved,after all your blog is a popular one read by thousands,why do you feel you need to involve all these jews in private family fueds
She seems quite happy to be in Toronto in the video posted earlier on this thread.
ReplyDeleteSo what? Contrary to popular belief abused people are no always depressed. Further they often learn to fake it for the camerras and other people, because if they give a hint of problem things will be worse.
In short the videos prove nothing. We will have to wait for the indictment and trial.
You know nothing m8. The Vids prove nothing. People treated horribly by abusive spouses make happy home movies and pictures all the time.
ReplyDelete"Lawyers advise women to claim the husband sexually abused the kids." Only if they want to get disbarred! The only issue in a beis din should be the get. The man should not be able to use it as leverage.
ReplyDeleteActually, those people are indeed shady people. Very shady. And I wrote several comments questioning her claims.
ReplyDeleteDo any of those who know him claim he is a true Shomer Shabbos?
ReplyDeleteSo, she tried to make the best of her situation. Now what?
ReplyDeleteWhat about those three women who were held captive in Cleveland for ten years?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Castro_kidnappings
It doesn't prove anything.
Hey, you didn't answer the point. The blog, dated January 20th of this year, does seem fake.
ReplyDeleteI do think that Mr. Weiss is not a good person.
She was an 18 year-old orphan. What did she know and understand before she got married??
ReplyDeletehappened to my brother....my brother left his wife who retaliated when her lawyer said to claim abuse. A year later she confessed (after he gave her the get, got a bad reputation and lost custody) and said her lawyer told her to say all of it. She wants him back and pleaded but he is trying to move on. Thankfully the kids still want to see him.
ReplyDelete"according to halacha there is no such concept of "raping" your own wife"
ReplyDeleteso you are stating that spousal rape is allowed in halacha and it is not grounds for divorce?
Funny. It is in google maps even with a street view.
ReplyDeleteTrying to post pic again.
ReplyDeleteIts really simple to me we have ms stein who clearly made up a beis din to rile people against mr weiss....so 1. We know shes a liar 2.she will resort to any means...which to me says anything else she says is a lie until proven as truth....a person who is honest doesnt need to lie at all not even a little..if the abuse was true then thats all she needs but obviously it isnt which is why she resorts to these crazy allegations..problem was she got sloppy and used fake address for a fake beis that not one person has heard of or used in the entire new york except for her....as for mr weiss using bad language and making threats when obviously upset does not make him an abuser or a liar...its ms stein that needs proof from here on out...end of story. It also sickens me that she went after his family he may be fair game for her but his family and friends thats crossing a line...and as for that blog which is another obvious attempt by her that just shows how mentally unstable this woman really is...
ReplyDeleteIn a civil case where the court system is over burdened and they have other, and better things to be doing then chasing down every shady divorce lawyer. Yes it does happen and the lawyers get away with it.
ReplyDeleteHowever, this is NOT a civil court. This is a Federal Criminal Court... You don't perjure yourself to a Federal Criminal court and come away clean. Lawyers that have been barred to argue cases in Federal Courts aren't going to risk it.
Like I said before, this isn't in he same ballpark, it isn't in the same league, and really it isn't even the same sport. It is a whole different level.
If she has lied in her complaint then she will be a convicted felon. If her lawyer did coach her in lying then his career as a lawyer is over.
Indeed, it seems a bit strange to me that she claims 25k a month in child support... all the more if she asserts that his capital is gained illegally.
ReplyDeleteHello sockpuppet. It is a real address. Either you don't know how to use mapquest, mapquest is wrong, or you simply made that up, but it is a real address. Posted screen capture of Googlemaps street view above.
ReplyDeleteno reason to call him sockpuppet
ReplyDeleteTzadok,
ReplyDeleteYou are either a fool or else you have once again (for the umpteenth time) attempted to deceive the readers on this blog with mis-information. The image you posted above is 1278 77th St., an address that apparently does exist. The phony "seruv" letter posted on RedeemRivky lists its address as "1278 East 77nd Street", NOT 1278 77th St.!!! (East 77th St. does exist but the numbers do not go past about 999!!!).
Chevra,
ReplyDeleteDo not be bamboozled by Tzadok. The phony "seruv" letter posted on RedeemRivky lists its address as "1278 East 77nd Street". Tzadok posted a screen shot of 1278 77th St., a different address than the one printed on the fake "seruv"!!!
GK, either you are being stupid on purpose or you have an axe to grind. Given her massive campaign against him, do you really believe she would post videos on YT proving how happy she is? Clearly it is her husband or a friend who are posting isolated incidents in a puerile attempt to prove how how happy she is.
ReplyDeleteBut, as others have already noted, a few happy incidents prove nothing.
You are so wrong. Halocha lemaaseh what you proposing raises the very problematic issue of get meuseh which this blog owner has spoken of many times. Beating up someone to give a get is simply not an option legally or halachically.
ReplyDeleteNot every case is decided on evidence. Here in the UK many cases lack the sufficient evidence and it is up to the jury to decide based on their judgement. Have a look at what's happening now in SA with Pistorius...its not clear yet they have any clear evidence one way or another
ReplyDelete1278 E 77th St, Brooklyn, New York 11236, shows on google map, but NOT on the street view,
ReplyDeleteNext, there is a typing error "77nd Street". It is either 77th or 72nd, but not 77nd. If it was a real BD, would they not have spotted this error?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@40.632055,-73.913159,3a,90y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sGoX50QB18HdM7jed2XwpOA!2e0!6m1!1e1
This is funny..... Vice
ReplyDeleteThat blog post is clearly fake and was clearly posted by Vice/Dicker Pr team.
Your lies do not help Rivkie among rational people. It actually makes people side against her.
The problem over is, Rivkie has definitely lied as well. She has had Yoely arrested several times. The judge threw all those cases out.
ReplyDeleteNow, based upon your formula of deciding what evidence to consider as accurate, are Rivkies accusations/"claims" credible?
What does Vice/Dicker have to say?
Vice,
ReplyDeleteYour comments have made it clear that you do not keep halacha. How in the world do you come to preaching about halacha????
Truth....
ReplyDeleteThere is no justification to call RMT a fool or a deceiver. If he erred on the street by missing the word east, there is no reason to believe it was anything but a simple mistake. Judging from his previous posts, I feel it was a simple error.
Never occurred to you that it was simply a misprint on their letterhead?
ReplyDeleteYou need a source if you dispute that point. A source needn't be brought that it doesn't exist. Do you have a source that there is no issur against playing ping-pong Tuesday afternoons?
ReplyDeleteThe address is 72nd St. Which is a chabbad house. It is called the Chabad house of Georgetown in Brooklyn. It seems that the seruv does have a typo, but the address definitely exists. Whether there is an actual Beis Din that convenes there is a different question.
ReplyDeleteapparently you are not aware that Tzadok has been caught numerous times posting misinformation on this blog
ReplyDeleteI have not seen this - to me he still has the regular chabdeihu vchashdeihu chezkas kashrus..
Additionally, your Disqus profile only has posts you made on this thread. I was unaware that you two have a long standing dispute.
But when you see fake "seruvim" being publicized by women, those women lose credibility they had and you know that the feminist PR wolves are waging war against a Jewish husband.
I agree with this! (I took out the word "any".) They lose lots of credibility among the rational and thought-out.
Never occurred to you that it was simply a misprint on their letterhead?
ReplyDeleteThat's a biggie. It makes them look very unprofessional. Especially since they could have printed up another letterhead in a moment. Their "psak" was typed by computer. They don't have a special logo. They could have reprinted the letterhead in a moment.
OK, so he uses foul language. He was a teen-at-risk. (Is he now an adult-in-risk?)
ReplyDeleteHis form of expression does not make her right, nor him wrong in this custody battle.
Does the halachic sources and literature categorize it under the term "rape"? Obviously it is against halacha and is impermissible. But the English term rape originates from the definition of abduction. US Law only recognized involuntary spousal relations starting in the 1970s. English common law does not recognize it as rape.
ReplyDeleteShefiled pro se, meaning without a lawy er, so there is no lawyer to be punished by federal court. (Note bill clinton was never punished by federal court for lying / perjury, but never prosecuted. He was disbarred by the state bar assn, but can still practice in federal court.)
ReplyDelete.
Nevertheless, her papers are professionally written, but too long (72 or so pages). Most lawyers prefer shorterfilings, cause the more you write, the more opportunity for errors,and the more opportunityfor challenges by the opponent. However, in this case, she wasnot looking for legal redress, but ffor publicity / shock value.
Legal marriage or not has no bearingon custody.
ReplyDeleteThank you!
ReplyDelete@Catskills1
Would you like to correct your post or retract your position?
Honesty: Disiqus was only recently installed on this website about two weeks ago. I would imagine there are some commenters that post here that do not post on other websites that use Disqus.
ReplyDeleteThe address is 72nd St.
ReplyDeleteThey used the "77nd" address for the place that they "require" the get to be given.
F If she makmakes a claim before someone else, she may
ReplyDeletehave priority.i
Now you're getting chabad involved. What a mess!
ReplyDeleteNO one said she was happily married.... All i am saying is that she was NOT kidnapped as she concocted in her federal RICO complaint, which states that she was kidnapped. She bought a complaint of kidnapping against 10 Jewish good people that have nothing to do with her marriage ....
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know who the three rabbis who signed the so-called beit din siruv are? Or did anyone even ever hear of these rabbis before?
ReplyDeleteAnd why do they call themselves "beit din" as opposed to "beis din"? Are they Sephardic? Zionist?
Chareidim (which both the husband and wife are, despite the wife now utilizing Modern Orthodox organs such as ORA -- the wife's Facebook PR page says ORA is involved on her behalf) use Ashkenazic pronounciations. This questions raise numerous questions.
All i am saying is that she was NOT kidnapped as she concocted in her federal RICO complaint,
ReplyDeletethat's right, she just made up a stupid story, which might maker her lose her children...
ReplyDeleteNew York does not recognize "common law marriage" as being a marriage.
ReplyDeleteno one said they had a good marriage... No kidnapping is all i am saying... read the federal RICO complaint....
ReplyDeleteYes it is referred to as rape, against her will, force
ReplyDeleteשו"ע אבן העזר כה
ולא יבעול אלא מרצונה, ואם אינה מרוצה יפייסנה עד שתתרצה.
שו"ע אורח חיים רמ:ג
וברותי מכם המורדים והפושעים בי (יחזקאל כ, לח) אלו בני תשעה מדות: בני אנוסה; בני שנואה; בני נידוי; בני תמורה; בני מורדת; בני שכרות; בני גרושת הלב; בני ערבוביא; בני חצופה.
נדרים כ:
אמר רבי לוי: אלו בני תשע מדות, בני אסנ"ת משגע"ח: בני אימה, בני אנוסה, בני שנואה, בני נידוי, בני תמורה, בני מריבה, בני שכרות, בני גרושת הלב, בני ערבוביא, בני חצופה,
הר"ן מסכת נדרים דף כ עמוד ב
בני אנוסה - גריעי טפי מבני אימה דבני אימה לא הוי אנוסה ממש ואנוסה מיירי בשאנסה לגמרי ומתוך ששני אלו קרובין להיות זה כזה חשיב להו כחד דהא רבי לוי אמר תשע מדות ובפרטן אתה מוצא עשר.
רמב"ם איסורי ביאה כא:יב
וכן אסרו חכמים שלא ישמש אדם מטתו ולבו מחשב באשה אחרת, ולא יבעול מתוך שכרות ולא מתוך מריבה ולא מתוך שנאה ולא יבוא עליה על כרחה והיא יראה ממנו, ולא כשיהיה אחד מהן מנודה ולאו /ולא/ יבוא עליה אחר שגמר בלבו לגרשה, ואם עשה כן הבנים אינן הגונים אלא מהן עזי פנים ומהן מורדים ופושעים.
עירובין ק:
ואמר רמי בר חמא אמר רב אסי: אסור לאדם שיכוף אשתו לדבר מצוה, שנאמר ואץ ברגלים חוטא. ואמר רבי יהושע בן לוי: כל הכופה אשתו לדבר מצוה הויין לו בנים שאינן מהוגנין. אמר רב איקא בר חיננא: מאי קראה - גם בלא דעת נפש לא טוב, תניא נמי הכי גם בלא דעת נפש לא טוב - זה הכופה אשתו לדבר מצוה.
It is in the elementary laws of spousal relations. If you dispute it, and claim that it is permissible, then you have to prove it.
ReplyDeleteHowever, Rabbi Eidensohn already mentioned a bunch of sources that it is impermissible.
"among the rational and thought-out" - Feminism, like liberalism, is a type of mental disorder. Those afflicted with feminism (both men and women) are controlled by irrational, emotional mental processes, and are easily whipped up into an enraged mob seething with hatred against men who refuse to submit to their demands. See the comments on
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/RedeemRivky
you are going to much into the details, look at the big picture, i am not saying that they had a good marriage, i am just pointing out that she wasn't kidnapped, as she claims in the RICO complaint ... and she wasn't forced against her own will.
ReplyDeleteyou are saying in 2011 she was kidnapped ( the fist 3 video's) and in 2012 (last video @ airport) she was not?? i don't buy that... it doesn't make any sense...
I'm not so sure. They ARE very shady people.
ReplyDeleteWhose claims about the marriage is absolutely irrelevant. The marriage obviously was not good. When someone is unhappy in a marriage, and the marriage is dysfunctional and not a harmonious, happy place for children to be raised, then there is a divorce. When there is a divorce there is a Get. a husband is not allowed to withhold a Get. She doesn't want to be married to him, period. What does it matter about he said she said. The marriage is over. Thus a Get is required. Since he is not giving her a Get, she has to go to whatever way to get the Get. Who cares if a PR firm, or a circus clown is used to try and get the Get. To claim she wants "attention" is absurd, only a Brooklyn person would say a ridiculous statement like that. If she had a Get, all this media would be unnecessary.
ReplyDeleteMaybe she was, maybe she wasn't. I don't know.
ReplyDeleteI'm not the judge nor jury.
None of the "evidence" coming from either side is conclusive or even shows much.
Welcome back ELY Emet - I accept your insult on this one, as I made the error and then tried to delete it, but it was printed anyway. But i am not defending fake agunot. I will again try to delete that post
ReplyDeleteI would go further , ELY. The "Psak Din" looks unlike any Psak Din I have seen before. it is not written in rabbinical language, but it Pigeon legalese. It looks like they have taken a secular legal contract template and then added a few Halachic terms, such as HIlchot Shabbes, Taharas Mishpacha etc. There is no reference to any halachic sources. How, exactly does this form a psak halacha? If anyone familiar with a piskei din can enlighten me , i would be most grateful!
ReplyDeletethis is what happens, when things get messy.... Rivky took it to the next level... she filed a RICO complaint in federal court that she was kidnapped, which is clear false.. and had yoel arrested 5 times... what do you expect, he will give a GET that quickly...
ReplyDeleteWho said she is entitled to a Get? Just because she wants one does not mean she has a halachic right to it or to force him to give one against his will.
ReplyDeleteThere are numerous issurim with what the wife is engaging in here:
ReplyDeleteUnhalachic pressure to be given a Get. This will render any future Get to be a Get Me'usa, an invalid Get, and she will remain an eishes ish even if she gets the Get Me'usa. This is the result of applying pressure on the husband to give a Get even though no Beis Din heard both sides and rendered a psak after hearing both parties that a Get is mandatory.
Mesira. Reporting to non-Jewish authorities allegations against her husband even if true but especially if they are lies. Filing criminal complaints against her husband even though they are seperate and he no longer is doing, and can no longer do, anything she even alleges he had done in the past. Having him arrested five times. (Charges were dismissed and authorities threw out her complaints.)
Arkayos. Using non-Jewish courts to adjudicate custody and other issues resulting from the separation. Attempting to invoke and utilize non-Jewish law rather than halacha in determining custody, etc
Loshon hora/Rechilus/Motzi Shem Ra/Sheker/publicizing her dirty laundry in public.
It doesn't matter who is behind the OR campaign. If you truly wish to know the facts contact the Rabbonim at the Beit din that issued the Seiruv or the mediator that they both agreed to use. It is certainly NOT up to you to decide who is presenting a better case or who is telling the truth. Who do you think you are????
ReplyDeleteActually it is in Marine Park
ReplyDeleteDo YOU need to know them personally or approve of them? Seriously?
ReplyDeleteYou are beyond ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteRabbi Eidensohn,
ReplyDeleteAs someone who is very familiar and promotes staying within the confines of Halacha, provides counselling/therapy as a Psychologist in a Frum environment, can you please write a post that provides a "practical step by step guide" on how a Frum woman who is in a marriage where:
a) the husband is abusive (physically or even just emotionally) or
b) she has circumstantial evidence that her husband is having an affair (with another woman or even with a man)
and wants out of the marriage, but wants to do so only by staying within the confines of Halacha, how she should go about doing so?
In this guide, can you please address the issues of:
1) Therapy/Counselling
2) Going to the Mikvah and having sexual relations with the abusive or cheating husband (possibly putting her life at risk with STDs)
3) Is she ever allowed to call 911 and have her husband arrested when he is abusive
4) Obtaining Orders of Protection
5) How to avoid being defined a Moredes or she doesn't have to care
6) How and when she can Halachically separate herself from her husband before the Get
7) Alimony and Child Support
8) Beth Din
9) Secular Court System
10) Husband that refuses to go to Beth Din
As you are an expert in this area, I am sure you are very familiar with many more issues that need to be addressed beyond the scope of those that are listed here and would appreciate if you would address those as well.
I also hope you don't say "that every case is different" and therefore there is no way to write such a guide. I am sure there are overall guidelines and steps that every Frum woman who is unfortunately in the above situation, needs to take or avoid and would benefit from having access to this information.
Thanks.
I usually respect you and your opinions but for YOU to take this upon yourself and to make choizek of this Bais Din and the information provided is extremely disappointing. That leaves me and the other advocates for abuse victims with one more Rabbi we can cross off the list if Rabbonim we can trust. By the way, just for your info. I know Yoeli since he was a little kid. I am NOT surprised that it took him do long to marry nor am I surprised about the information presented.
ReplyDeleteWhose claims about the marriage is absolutely irrelevant.
ReplyDeleteWhat does it matter about he said she said.
Well, someone did hire the PR hack Dicker for her. This is the way Dicker does fight for her clients. As a Jew, it is mightily important to me that this type of shenanigance does not infiltrate our community.
She is asking the public for help based upon falsified letters from a sham "beit din".
This stinks and should not be rewarded.
On the other hand, it is a very sad situation. They are indeed not compatible and she did suffer (how much she suffered is whole new question).
The bottom line is that there is zero excuse for not giving a get. Everything else is noise.
ReplyDeleteWhy isn't he giving a get if she is so messed up? That is the one and only relevant question.
ReplyDeleteYes, very true.
ReplyDeleteTo them fake botei din with non-existent addresses are the justification they need to feel "righteous" and fight for a "cause".
The address is a technicality I am sure if he wanted her to have a get he could get it to her.
ReplyDeleteunfortunately you haven't bothered understanding what the halacha is or what these discussions are about. Simply saying that the husband must always submit to the wife's demands is not acceptable.
ReplyDeleteactually the same question applies to you in your righteous judgment of the rest of us.
ReplyDeleteyour solution is rather simplistic and ignores the reality of what happens in divorce. They are in a stage called negotiations. You clearly don't understand either the halacha or the nuts and bolts about dissolving a marriage. there are hundreds of pages of discussion on these issues in the archives of this blog.
ReplyDeleteThere are any number of reasons why the cases might have been thrown out that have nothing to do with her credibility.
ReplyDeleteWhat are you talking about? By default halacha does not require a husband give a Get to his wife just because she wants one.
ReplyDeleteThere are numerous issurim with what the wife is engaging in here:
ReplyDeleteI'm going to leave your first paragraph alone because honestly it is predicated upon the second in which you say:
Mesira. Reporting to non-Jewish authorities allegations against her husband even if true but especially if they are lies. Filing criminal complaints against her husband even though they are seperate and he no longer is doing, and can no longer do, anything she even alleges he had done in the past.
This is not the halakha. As Rav Eidensohn has said here many times, and brought many teshuvot for, there is a clear heter to report an abuser to the police. If he is engaged in other serious illegal activity there are various Poskim that have also ruled that there is, not only a heter but a mitzvah to report him to the police. The only problem halakhically will be if she lied. To know that we will have to wait the outcome of the Federal investigation.
Sorry but your question indicates a lack of awareness what happens in divorce as well as the halachic and legal issues. It is not the one and only relevant question.
ReplyDeleteI am assuming you consider yourself an expert in halacha, psychology and the legal aspects of divorce. Is that correct? If you have followed the discussion of other divorce cases such as the Dodelson -Weiss and Friedman Epstein - it is naive to take information provided by one side without verification. It is naive to ignore significant inconsistencies and contradictions.
ReplyDeleteYou act as if you are speaking for all abuse victims in your judgment of what I am doing - you might have noticed that abuse victims don't march to one tune. Nor do they automatically take one person's negative judgment of others.Most people have a more nuanced understanding then you seem to acknowledge.
Do YOU need to ..approve of them? Seriously?
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely!!!
And if it wasn't relevant, why in the world did Dicker go through the great effort she did in having these falsified letters made up, and the posting it on her site.
Seriously???
The address is a technicality I am sure if he wanted her to have a get he could get it to her.
ReplyDeleteIt is a lot more than a technicality. It reveals that this "bet din" and their "rulings" are probably shams and PR stunts.
http://www.chabadofgeorgetown.com/tools/feedback.htm
ReplyDeletehere are the contact details of the Chabad House at that address -E 72nd street. Anyone in USA wishes to contact them to see if they have a BD operating from their premises?
make choizek of this Bais Din
ReplyDeleteWho is this "Beit Din" and where are they located? As other poster pointed out, the address is non-existent.
The form and the way their "psak" was written is unlike any legitimate (and illegitimate) Beis Din writes a psak.
Such a psak creates a mockery out of real botei din.
"contact the Rabbonim at the Beit din" - How does one contact a phantom Bais Din at an imaginary address?
ReplyDelete"Who do I think I am?" - I'm an advocate for Torah justice as opposed to the abominable fraud of feminist "justice", and I expose screeching feminist hypocrites such as yourself who pretend to be "religious". Now go back to your feminist lynch mob on the RedeemRivky Facebook page.
There is no beit din. The wife hired some unknown paid-for-hire so-called beit din that never heard anyone's side other than hers and nevertheless in contradiction to halacha issued a ruling (not just a seruv.)
ReplyDeleteThe problem is: let's suppose what she writes is true, the courts confirm it, and he will be condemned for deprivation of liberty, kidnapping, rape, slavery plus fencing and money laundering...
ReplyDeleteWhat will the halacha be? Will he still not be required to give a get?
In any case, he will not be motivated to give a get, because he will be in jail, and nothing can make his situation worse, so he will not be amenable to any form of pressure.
So no matter what he does, he cannot be obliged to give a get. And no matter what she does, he can always withhold it.
Sorry Moe, but that simply is not correct. The Federal court system does not want to become the next fighting ground for frivolous suits, and so recently has not only prosecuted perjury but allowed RICO complaints to be filed in response to fraudulent complaints, charging both the lawyers and the plaintiffs as the co-conspirators.
ReplyDeleteThe big questions is whether or not this RICO complaint exists, and if it does why is not searchable in any of the databases? A RICO complaint is part of the public record and, according to law, should be searchable. The only thing that would change that is a judge ordered the complaint sealed for some reason. If so why is Rivky posting it up on her webby?
Get as a bargaining chip = get extortion
ReplyDeleteA) There is strong reason to believe her allegations to the authorities are false 1) The authorities did not act on it and 2) She waited years, until she was in a custody dispute with him, to even allege them. B) In any event, she no longer lives with him and he is certainly now no longer engaged in any of the allegations, as even she is forced to admit. So there is certainly no ongoing issue that must be stopped.
ReplyDeleteAnd, as said earlier, the Feds are highly unlikely to even look into the veracity of her RICO complaint. They have bigger fish to fry.
(Wowa. A little too harsh, my dear.)
ReplyDeletePossibly. In these United States one is innocent until proven guilty. We, as outsiders, do not have any credible evidence.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, there is a difference between the cries of a woman who has been caught using lies (or a PR team that concocted the lies) and a regular woman whom we actually KNOW who is making claims.
This custody/divorce battle has no business being out in the streets among people who do not know either party and have no experience in resolving custody disputes.
Thank you. I sent them an email.
ReplyDeleteYou keep assuming that people are speaking halachicly, they aren't, they are speaking morally. I assume that you will respond that morals outside of marriage are arbitrary, but I believe that anyone with moral sensibilities will feel that this kind of behavior is immoral. I can understand,even though I disagree with, withholding a get if one believes that the marriage can still be salvaged, but to use it for the purposes of getting a better settlement or to get more custody, an advantage that a woman does not have, then it is immoral behave this way. I am not saying that he is breaking the halacha I am simply rendering a judgement on his behavior.
ReplyDeleteTo Yeshivish:
ReplyDeleteIf, and I am speaking generally, a woman is violating her husband's halachic rights, whether in custody arrangements or some other marital or post-marital issue, he has no obligation until she halachicly satisfactorily resolves and corrects what she is wronging him with. He does not have to give her her halachic needs while she is violating his halachic rights. He is not obligated to give her a Get until the other divorce related issue(s) are resolved. The Get is the last instrument issued in a divorce process, not the first.
You are a Motzi Shem rah because you know nothing about me not what I do. Your comments say very much about you and your lack of respect for others.
ReplyDeleteSo you're suggesting Rivky never really even filed a RICO complaint?
ReplyDeleteI appreciate the guest by Rabbi Micheal Tzadok.
ReplyDeleteI do have one issue. Whether or not the Beit Din even exists is very important information. Especially since they supposedly required the husband to give a get at an their address - an address that appears to be non-existent. Her PR hacks who have been active on this site (and everywhere else) have not come forward to clarify who and where this Beit DIn is.
Let the courts deal with all the custody/financial issues.
ReplyDeleteWhat you are proposing is if he doesn't get the ruling that he anticipates then he can withhold the get in order to obtain what he wishes. What exactly does she do if she doesn't like the outcome of the court decision?
I have very succinctly clarified exactly where it is. admittedly I have not clarified much else, but the address has been clarified.
ReplyDeleteDoes he want to stay married to her? No. Obviously not, So there is no decent excuse in the world not to give her a get.
ReplyDeleteIt is important to see if there is a honest complaint, or a whole fake set-up, as ELY is suggesting. If, as RAMATZ has indicated, there is no record of the RICO, then there are several fishy facts here:
ReplyDeletea) No RICO, possibly a fraud
b) a Dubious BD. Perhaps it is a BD of laymen, or worse, a fictional BD.
c) A Psak Din which has no halachic content, and obviously not written by a competent Dayan.
d) The involvement of the media circus, and calls to make life difficult for the whole family of the Husband. Would even the Rambam allow for pressure on the family of a get refuser?
Perhaps you can argue that the Bible supports Blackmail. It certainly supports slavery. But it is still Blackmail.
ReplyDeleteYou're wrong, Yeshivish. The courts should not be deciding custody and/or financial issues. That is the realm of Beis Din. Halacha prohibits Jews using non-Jewish courts.
ReplyDeleteOnce a real legitimate and mutually accepted BEIS DIN issues a judgement (based on Halacha not secular law), THEN all parties are required to follow all parts of it, regarding custody, financial separation and a Get.. And if one part of it is that he must give her a Get, then at that time he must give her a Get.
No Beis Din has ruled that he Yoeli must give Rivki a Get and therefore he is under no obligation to give her a Get. If and when a beis din rules in the future he must give her a Get, then at that time he has an obligation to give her a Get. That has not happened.
ReplyDeleteThe marriage is over. A get must be given and they must go separate ways. This is all just prolonging their dysfunctional interactions. Why fry a dead old fish.
ReplyDeletebefore you make up a new legal and halachic system you might want to read
ReplyDeletehttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/2013/12/withholding-get-between-leverage-and-extortion.html
Is he not using the Get to try and coerce a settlement that an independent Beis Din or court would not otherwise conclude him to be entitled, or worse even to not be in the best interest if his children?
ReplyDeleteShe could play his game, agree to his demands, and then turn to the secular courts and say that the settlement is no longer in the best interest of his kids. Or they could end the marriage and just follow the court and or Beit Din in the first place.
I agree that many peoples responses are moral rather than halachic. It's not like yeshivish women learn the laws of gittin in any detail, so how can women react halachically? They are reacting based on the strong belief - true or not - that the differences between men and women in HKBH's law are designed to protect women and not to disempower or oppress them. In my opinion, no frum woman should agree to a secular divorce until she has a get in hand. The few rights she has over her husband come from secular law, not from halacha. It is therefore not very smart to give up those rights before resolving the much more important issue of the get.
ReplyDeleteSo you're saying that because she is behaving badly and has possibly done terrible things that the best solution for him is to remain married to a woman who clearly hates him and/or is actually crazy? Why? Because he still loves her and wants to remain a kind a loving Jewish husband to her? Or because he wants vengeance and punishment? People here seem to believe that it is acceptable to withhold a get simply out of spite. It may be halachically allowable but that does not make it good, desirable or worthy of support from people who claim to be rachmonaim. It is incorrect behavior. The fact that she may have behaved badly does not mean that he should behave badly. He should separate from her as quickly as possible.
ReplyDeleteFathers have rights in the secular courts even if their parents are not married. Why is he afraid that he will lose access to his children? It might be that he is a better parent and she is mentally ill and she will lose access to them. Let them sign a legal custody agreement. News flash: she can agree not to use the secular court against him for real or imagined illegal behavior, get her get, and then do it anyway. She cannot lose her rights as a citizen and access to our legal system by signing a piece of paper. I still fail to see what the husband is getting out of this other than revenge.
ReplyDelete"the address has been verified as a real address where a Chabad house is situated" - Repeating the same lie over and over will not make it true. The Chabad house is at a completely different address than the address printed on the bogus "seruv" posted on Rivky's web pages.
ReplyDelete"Let the courts deal with all the custody/financial issues" - Yeshivish, you apparently practice a very different religion than Judaism. In Judaism financial disputes are resolved in an institution called Beis Din, not in non-Jewish courts. See Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat 26.
ReplyDelete@Tzadok - "If the RICO complaint is in existence it would lend a certain level of credibility" - Do you actually claim to be an Orthodox rav?
ReplyDeleteCan Tzadok or any of the Rivky supporters here please cite any authentic Orthodox Jewish halachic sources that:
1) allow Jews to sue each other in non-Jewish courts for millions of dollars (amounts specified in the court papers from the RedeemRivky site), using a fake "seruv" as justification,
2) establish credibility of a Jewish Plaintiff based on a lawsuit filed by that Plaintiff against another Jew in a non-Jewish court,
3) Require a Jewish defendant to deliver a GET when sued by their spouse in a non-Jewish court.
Then if you support no get being given, then you must be in favor of this turmoil continuing between them. This can go,on for 10 years of "Oy she did this gevalt" and "Oy did you hear he did that" and "Oy did you hear what she did?!" And " Oy she actually did this when she should have done that after she actually really should never have done that!" Or, they can stew in their own juices until a Get is given and they go their separate ways. Anyone who supports him not giving her a Get since the marriage is over, should move them both into their own house.
ReplyDeleteI'm confused... The Rabbi quoted here states that he was unable to find the RICO case:
ReplyDeleteHowever, my problem is this. In 11 days of searching for a complaint that should be publicly searchable and part of the public record, by law, I have not been able to find it. The website claims that the complaint was filed on Dec 3, 2013. However, after a relatively fruitless search a friend told me to check Justia.com.
Here is the link to the page on Justia where the case should be listed:
http://dockets.justia.com/browse/state-new_york/court-nyedce/noscat-13/nos-470?page=3
Please note that the case does not appear.
But somehow, using the same website, I was able to find it in approximately 5 seconds by typing "Rivka Stein" into the search box. Here is a link to the case. You need a PACER account to view it in its entirety.
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/new-york/nyedce/1:2013cv06795/349845