Following the Torah means even when it goes against our personal instincts or feelings. If the Shulchan Aruch has a strong loshon against reporting criminals to the authorities, which is what mesira is, then we can't just ignore it without understanding why, even in these emotionally charged situations.
You can't just follow your emotion when it contradicts halacha. That's what Reform Judaism is. We are not reform, we have to rationally understand the halacha before we act.
It also depends on what "authorities" really are like in any given time and place. For example, it should matter whether they operate under an effective rule of law or not.
Im curious to know whether there was a concept of a moser before the shulchan aruch came along and if there was , was it as controversial as it is today following ttheSA
The Aruch HaShulchan he quotes is now a fairly normative Modern Orthodox psak and I have heard it put forth in shiurim on mesirah and I have heard similar rationale in psak. He is speaking in a Young Israel. He lives in a mixed Modern Orthodox-yeshivish community. How can he claim no one paskins like this? I assume from the several minutes he spends on this that he recognizes it is more commonly accepted then he indicates.
The normative Modern Orthodox psak may mirror the Aruch Hashulchan but it is not based on it. It is based on RYBS's psak in the name of his father, RMS.
why anyone would use the term "mesira" when denouncing a criminal to the authorities beats me.
ReplyDeleteAnd why a rabbi should be consulted before going to the police beats me too.
Following the Torah means even when it goes against our personal instincts or feelings. If the Shulchan Aruch has a strong loshon against reporting criminals to the authorities, which is what mesira is, then we can't just ignore it without understanding why, even in these emotionally charged situations.
DeleteYou can't just follow your emotion when it contradicts halacha. That's what Reform Judaism is. We are not reform, we have to rationally understand the halacha before we act.
It also depends on what "authorities" really are like in any given time and place. For example, it should matter whether they operate under an effective rule of law or not.
DeleteIm curious to know whether there was a concept of a moser before the shulchan aruch came along and if there was , was it as controversial as it is today following ttheSA
ReplyDeleteThe Aruch HaShulchan he quotes is now a fairly normative Modern Orthodox psak and I have heard it put forth in shiurim on mesirah and I have heard similar rationale in psak. He is speaking in a Young Israel. He lives in a mixed Modern Orthodox-yeshivish community. How can he claim no one paskins like this? I assume from the several minutes he spends on this that he recognizes it is more commonly accepted then he indicates.
ReplyDeleteHAGTBG,
DeleteThe normative Modern Orthodox psak may mirror the Aruch Hashulchan but it is not based on it. It is based on RYBS's psak in the name of his father, RMS.
There were two Torahs given at Har Sinai? One for the Yeshivish and one for Modern Orthodox?
Delete@ Lazer, you could say that about any machlokes, hence u would end up saying there were 600,000 Torahs given.
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