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From the photos on Chadrei Charedim it is Obviously a mixed crowd in the kever, the chadrei charedim people just erased the women faces so they look like the ghost children from Coraline.
Just to show that our generation is much greater than previous generations…
The women in the background are right there with the men, free to mingle. (They are women, see the groovy cloche hats).
Today, when you go to visit the kever of a tzaddik, there are mechitzas at the least and often separate hours.
This picture was published as part of a collection of pictures from pre- War Poland. There are many instances in these pics where men and women were together and why not?
The separation is only required for tefillah k'halacha.
In other pictures in this collection, someone blanked out the faces of the women although the original photographer 70 years ago did not see any reason to do so.
Today we are so machmir that a man should never see a woman and where has it gotten us?
We have pedophiles grooming our boys who never have opportunities to see a woman other than mother/sisters into homosexuality.
There are a few women and children to the side of the men. So what?
I never saw anyone, Chasidim, Litvaks, or whatever, have any issue with women being in a cemetery the same time of men. Why are some posters here making it sound like it is unusual or something??
" On Friday, the day of the yahrzeit, only men are permitted into the cemetery. On the preceding Thursday the cemetery will be open, for ladies only, from 5:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Men are restricted from entering any part of the cemetery during these hours. After 6:00 p.m., only men will have access to the cemetery. Men observing the yahrzeit of a close relative on Thursday must endeavor to either come before limited times or to conform to these restrictions."
Although I wouldn't bet on the Jewish Press' accuracy, in this case I think it is wonderful that people are sensitized to tznius issues that they are separating men and women. I don't know that it is halachcily mandated, so I of course couldn't criticize any groups that don't endeavor to engage in this midas tova, nevertheless it is most praiseworthy for those that do and are sensitive to tznius.
...in this case I think it is wonderful that people are sensitized to tznius issues...
It is not a tznius issue it is a perversion issue. A while back in Israel the haredim forced a haredi newspaper to remove an ad for diapers because there was a photo of a female infant on the ad.
People who think that infants are sexy and therefore their photo should be removed are perverts and sickos of the worst kind.
If the Ohel is used a shul, then obviously men and women must be separate. Also, there is a Gra, not from then new frummeh, that women should never go to a beis hak'voros. I think the mishna berurah brings it down by erev rosh yom kippur or tisha b'av maybe.
It is a tznius issue. Someone, even a "Jew", not sensitive to halacha and opposed to any "gates" to protect the letter of halacha, will deny that of course.
1. how did they know it was a female infant, and not a mother who wanted to dress uop her boy(s) as girls -- very common -- even in charedi communities.
2. bobov (in new york) and other chevra kaddisha's do NOT allow women to attend their own parent's burials . (levaya, yes -- that's outside, or in a small ezrat nashim.)
Is that W-O-M-E-N?????
ReplyDeleteIn the same cemetery with men?
What if some single man met his Bashert at the kever of the Rema on Lag B'Omer?
That is a boy, not a woman.
ReplyDeleteThere's a boy next to the same Kever (the Rema's) as the men.
ReplyDeleteThe women in the background are at a different Kever in the cemetery.
I *never* heard of anyone ever requesting that only one gender be in the entire cemetery at the same time.
From the photos on Chadrei Charedim it is Obviously a mixed crowd in the kever, the chadrei charedim people just erased the women faces so they look like the ghost children from Coraline.
ReplyDeleteJust to show that our generation is much greater than previous generations…
http://www.bhol.co.il/ImageBank/orig_E659C0158C55432BB3BE34AE5624C41E.JPG
http://www.bhol.co.il/ImageBank/orig_E659C0158C55432BB3BE34AE5624C41E.JPG
The women in the background are right there with the men, free to mingle. (They are women, see the groovy cloche hats).
ReplyDeleteToday, when you go to visit the kever of a tzaddik, there are mechitzas at the least and often separate hours.
This picture was published as part of a collection of pictures from pre- War Poland. There are many instances in these pics where men and women were together and why not?
The separation is only required for tefillah k'halacha.
In other pictures in this collection, someone blanked out the faces of the women although the original photographer 70 years ago did not see any reason to do so.
Today we are so machmir that a man should never see a woman and where has it gotten us?
We have pedophiles grooming our boys who never have opportunities to see a woman other than mother/sisters into homosexuality.
There are a few women and children to the side of the men. So what?
ReplyDeleteI never saw anyone, Chasidim, Litvaks, or whatever, have any issue with women being in a cemetery the same time of men. Why are some posters here making it sound like it is unusual or something??
I never saw anyone, Chasidim, Litvaks, or whatever, have any issue with women being in a cemetery the same time of men.
ReplyDeleteI am not sure where have you been living and how long you have been frum but this is an issue.
Some rabbis think that Satan (the bad one not the hockey player) dances as women attend funerals
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3693161,00.html
Chief Penguin,
ReplyDeleteYour impressions comes from reading too many novels, not reality.
And if Ynet is your source, Der Strumer would be equally accurate in portraying Orthodox Jewish reality.
I am not sure where have you been living and how long you have been frum
ReplyDeleteFFB living in NYC (and part-time in Jerusalem.)
http://www.jewishpress.com/printArticle.cfm?contentid=22692
ReplyDelete" On Friday, the day of the yahrzeit, only men are permitted into the cemetery. On the preceding Thursday the cemetery will be open, for ladies only, from 5:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Men are restricted from entering any part of the cemetery during these hours. After 6:00 p.m., only men will have access to the cemetery. Men observing the yahrzeit of a close relative on Thursday must endeavor to either come before limited times or to conform to these restrictions."
" Inside the Ohel, women are restricted from entering the men's section at all times, even if it is empty. "
ReplyDeletehttp://www.israelimages.com/see_image_details.php?description=separate-entrances-to-men-and-women-in-meron--galilee&idi=4254
ReplyDeleteSeparate entrances for men and women at Meron, the kever of Rabbi Shimon Bar Yohai.
I have never been to pray at the kever of a Tzaddik where men and women did not enter separately.
Although I wouldn't bet on the Jewish Press' accuracy, in this case I think it is wonderful that people are sensitized to tznius issues that they are separating men and women. I don't know that it is halachcily mandated, so I of course couldn't criticize any groups that don't endeavor to engage in this midas tova, nevertheless it is most praiseworthy for those that do and are sensitive to tznius.
ReplyDelete...in this case I think it is wonderful that people are sensitized to tznius issues...
ReplyDeleteIt is not a tznius issue it is a perversion issue. A while back in Israel the haredim forced a haredi newspaper to remove an ad for diapers because there was a photo of a female infant on the ad.
People who think that infants are sexy and therefore their photo should be removed are perverts and sickos of the worst kind.
If the Ohel is used a shul, then obviously men and women must be separate. Also, there is a Gra, not from then new frummeh, that women should never go to a beis hak'voros. I think the mishna berurah brings it down by erev rosh yom kippur or tisha b'av maybe.
ReplyDeleteIt is a tznius issue. Someone, even a "Jew", not sensitive to halacha and opposed to any "gates" to protect the letter of halacha, will deny that of course.
ReplyDelete1. how did they know it was a female infant, and not a mother who wanted to dress uop her boy(s) as girls -- very common -- even in charedi communities.
ReplyDelete2. bobov (in new york) and other chevra kaddisha's do NOT allow women to attend their own parent's burials . (levaya, yes -- that's outside, or in a small ezrat nashim.)