Thursday, June 26, 2008

Offensive gay parade to close Jerusalem streets on Thursday

Arutz Sheva reports:
Thursday's road-closings will be less festive, though possibly no less disruptive. The police plan to close downtown streets including Agron, King David, and Emek Refaim, from 4-7 PM, to make way for the controversial gay parade. The marchers will gather near Independence Park at 4 PM, will begin parading at 5 PM towards Liberty Bell Park, and will hold a rally there at 6 PM.

Several anti-parade demonstrations are scheduled to be held in the city at around the same time, including one at the main Jaffa-Ben-Yehuda intersection at 4 PM.

Late last week, Jerusalem Mayor Uri Lupoliansky filed a petition in the Supreme Court against the parade, calling it a provocation. The Court refused to cancel the parade, and Supreme Court Justice Ayalah Procaccia even said that it was important that parades such as this "become a normal part of the routine and not arouse storms of protest each year."

Religious Knesset Members had asked that the parade at least be held in a closed area, such as a stadium, in order not to "offend the sensibilities of Jews, Moslems and Christians." Though this solution was implemented two years ago, it will not happen this time.

21 comments:

  1. How are you ever going to finish Daat Torah 2 if you keep doing all this?

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  2. "offend the sensibilities of Jews, Moslems and Christians"

    I think it's very hypocritical that suddenly they care about what Muslims and Christians think, only because it fits their agenda.

    Last year I was looking at an anti-parade poster talking about Rabbis and Christian leaders getting together against the parade, some other yeshiba students were also reading and I noted that it is strange that these Rabbis don't protests the parades by Christians in the Old city that are 'ABHODHA ZARA MAMASH.

    This parade is MAYBE immodest and SOME of the paraders MAY be doing things in their bedrooms that are a violation of Tora Law.

    These Rabbis have strange priorities.

    These students just looked at me as if I'm an alien.....

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  3. Garnel Ironheart said...

    How are you ever going to finish Daat Torah 2 if you keep doing all this?
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    Good question. The bigger problem is that the material expands every day. I am now working on zechus avos - which is seen by Chazal as the matrix for the existence of the Jewish people. This is contrasted with the concept of geirus - which we find in connection with Sinai. The two concepts seem to be incompatible. This is reflected in the question of when did Jews become Jews - at Sinai or from Avraham?

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  4. Yehudha said...

    "offend the sensibilities of Jews, Moslems and Christians"

    I think it's very hypocritical that suddenly they care about what Muslims and Christians think, only because it fits their agenda.

    ... I noted that it is strange that these Rabbis don't protests the parades by Christians in the Old city that are 'ABHODHA ZARA MAMASH.

    This parade is MAYBE immodest and SOME of the paraders MAY be doing things in their bedrooms that are a violation of Tora Law.

    These Rabbis have strange priorities.
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    If you really feel that something needs to be done - why don't you contact Rav Sternbuch and present your views. If you are shy, I'll be glad to go with you.
    A blog is a nice place to make comments - but if you want to get something done - you need to get rabbinic backing.

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  5. As if they would listen to an unmarried 27yo who spent only a couple of years in yeshiba, never wears a black hat and not even always a kippa, shakes hands with women, etc. They would probably rather listen to a conservative Catholic priest...

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  6. Yehudha said...

    As if they would listen to an unmarried 27yo who spent only a couple of years in yeshiba, never wears a black hat and not even always a kippa, shakes hands with women, etc. They would probably rather listen to a conservative Catholic priest...
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    As I said, I am willing to go with you. I don't bite - neither does he. He might disagree with you - but he is sensitive and polite.

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  7. "The bigger problem is that the material expands every day."

    Please permit me to quote my mother:

    Judaism is a religion of questions. The more one learns, the more questions one has.

    Kol Hakavod to you!!

    "Rabbis don't protests the parades by Christians in the Old city that are 'ABHODHA ZARA MAMASH."

    We are in Galut and therefore not in a position to drive Avodah Zara from the land.

    The State of Israel is a political entity. One of the stipulations of the UN agreement is that Christians have full access to their holy places and observance.

    Muslims were also granted the same. The Zionists drove the Muslims from the land despite the fact that they are NOT idolators, but monotheists. Had they seriously messed with the Christians, it would have provoked too much of a world outcry.

    The State spends hundreds of thousands of dollars each year to provide Christmas trees to Christian tourists. Tzipi Livni has spent her career as Minister of Tourism trying to attract more Christians to visit Israel.

    We are in Galut and therefore also have to cater to the sensibilities of our Muslim and Christian neighbors.

    The Gay parade is equally offensive to every religious tradition and also endangers Israelis because it so deeply offends Israel's friends and enemies alike.

    1. If you want peace with Syria and other Arab countries, how can you stage a massive abomination in the streets of Islam's 3rd holiest city?

    2. If you fear Iran's nuclear capabilities, why would you flaunt such an abomination to Islam? If he would use nuclear weapons against Israel, this will surely help his own justification in destroying Israel.

    3. If you believe that the US and the Christian right are Israel's best friends, then this is a great way to alienate them.

    4. If you believe that Israel is the Jewish homeland, then you know that Hashem exiled us in the past for Avodah Zara. The exact practices were the sexual depravities in the temples of Baal.

    5. The only possible supporters of this parade are those who believe that the Tanach is not G-d given and that the religion is made up. For those people, a relevant question is, "Where is the justification to take Israel as the Jewish homeland?"

    This parade undermines Israel's right to exist on so many levels that it would be politically fascinating if only it were not so frightening.

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  8. "We are in Galut and therefore not in a position to drive Avodah Zara from the land. "

    I don't believe we are. And even if we were, we could at least protest it.....


    "1. If you want peace with Syria and other Arab countries, how can you stage a massive abomination in the streets of Islam's 3rd holiest city?"

    That's the biggest misunderstanding: The parade is not an abomination. The act that is condemned by the Tora as an abomination is practiced only by a small minority among the participants, and that in the privacy of their own bedroom. The parade is not encouraging anyone to commit that specific act. The parade is calling for attention to a problem that exists in society, it is not advocating a way each person with that problem should deal with it. A way compatible with Tora doesn't contradict the goal of the parade.

    "2. If you fear Iran's nuclear capabilities, why would you flaunt such an abomination to Islam? If he would use nuclear weapons against Israel, this will surely help his own justification in destroying Israel."

    Maybe we should just bend over and do anything Iran wants? Let's open the borders to welcome Hamas and Hizbullah....

    "3. If you believe that the US and the Christian right are Israel's best friends, then this is a great way to alienate them."

    I don't believe that.

    "4. If you believe that Israel is the Jewish homeland, then you know that Hashem exiled us in the past for Avodah Zara. The exact practices were the sexual depravities in the temples of Baal."

    'Abhodha zara is alive and well even among religious Jews in Israel. That's a problem we should deal with. The parade has nothing to do with abhodha zara

    "5. The only possible supporters of this parade are those who believe that the Tanach is not G-d given and that the religion is made up. For those people, a relevant question is, "Where is the justification to take Israel as the Jewish homeland?""

    Not true.

    "This parade undermines Israel's right to exist on so many levels that it would be politically fascinating if only it were not so frightening."

    How so?

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  9. DaatTorah, I think I can help you out. The gemara says we ran out of zechus Avos a long time ago so you can putting a passing footnote in and move on.

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  10. Yehudha said...
    That's the biggest misunderstanding: The parade is not an abomination. The act that is condemned by the Tora as an abomination is practiced only by a small minority among the participants, and that in the privacy of their own bedroom. The parade is not encouraging anyone to commit that specific act. The parade is calling for attention to a problem that exists in society, it is not advocating a way each person with that problem should deal with it. A way compatible with Torah doesn't contradict the goal of the parade.

    I don't think you have a clue of what the gay's do if you only think it is some of them.

    And furthermore the parade is encouraging people to act in an inappropriate way that is against the Torah.

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  11. "I don't think you have a clue of what the gay's do if you only think it is some of them."

    And you do?
    First, the female homosexuals obviously don't do it. Second, not all male homosexuals do it. Many (among Jews much more) homosexuals make a conscious choise not to do it, others don't even like it..

    "And furthermore the parade is encouraging people to act in an inappropriate way that is against the Torah."

    How is that?

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  12. Dear Yehudha,

    When you state:

    "I don't believe we are.(In Galut)???"

    I can't help but wonder:
    Who do you believe is the Messiah?

    When you say:

    "The act that is condemned by the Tora as an abomination is practiced only by a small minority among the participants, "

    The Written Torah states:

    "Do not lie with a man as if with a woman.If a man lies with a male as one lies with a woman, the two of them have done an abhorrent thing; they should be put to death—their bloodguilt is upon them” (Leviticus 20:13). The Torah considers a homosexual act between two men to be an abhorrent thing (to’evah), punishable by death.

    “No Israelite woman shall be a cult prostitute, nor shall any Israelite man be a cult prostitute” (Deuteronomy 23:18). (Cult prostitution, both hetero‑ and homosexual, was a common feature of idolatrous worship in the ancient Near East).

    Judaism, however, is not based on a direct reading of the Written Torah but rather on the elucidation of the Written Torah through the Oral Torah - The Midrash, Mishna and Talmud. In the Oral Torah we learn that Jewish law strictly prohibits ALL forms of male homosexual relations.

    The Shulhan Arukh even mentions the precaution that a male should not be alone with another male because of "lewdness".

    Sarah had Avraham banish Hager and Ishmael because Ishmael was "sporting" with Isaac. (T'sahak) The same word (T'sahak) is used in "Isaac was "sporting" with Rebekah his wife" (Gen. 26:8)

    From Artscroll Tanach p 286:

    M'Tzahak is the word used in the Torah to denote the three cardinal sins: Idolatry (Exodus 32:6), adultery (39:17) and murder (Samuel II, 2:14).

    Ishmael's behavior proved to Sarah that he had become thoroughly corrupt and evil and had to be sent away (Rashi). "

    The parade itself is an abomination because it glorifies the abomination for which Ishmael and his mother were banished by Avraham. (One can do teshuva for homosexual behavior http://www.johanweb.org - also for more on relevant halachot).

    Wherever one finds the safeguards of morality, there one finds holiness (Vayikra Rabbah 24:6)

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  13. About the galuth issue, see Rambam on the definitions of galuth and ge'ula

    "Judaism, however, is not based on a direct reading of the Written Torah but rather on the elucidation of the Written Torah through the Oral Torah - The Midrash, Mishna and Talmud. In the Oral Torah we learn that Jewish law strictly prohibits ALL forms of male homosexual relations."

    Yes, but only one act is called an abomination.
    Also, as I said, the parade is not telling people to go and have homosexual relations. It is calling for attention to the problem and getting it out of the taboo sphere. It is calling to let people make their own decision as to how to deal with this personally, and respect their decision. IT DOES NOT GLORIFY ABOMINATION.

    About Yishma`el; there are other opinions, that is not the peshath of the pasuq. Anyway, it's irrelevant to the discussion.

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  14. About the galuth issue, see Rambam on the definitions of galuth and ge'ula"

    What EXACTLY are you trying to say?

    You said we are not in Galut.

    For Galut to have ended, Moshiach has to first be revealed, then the miracles have to happen, then we have to wander in the desert again for 40 years. THEN we will return to Eretz Yisrael.

    So if we are not in Galut, then WHO is Moshiach, and please answer directly. WHO DO YOU BELIEVE IS THE MESSIAH???

    "Yes, but only one act is called an abomination."

    The Oral law clearly forbids ALL homosexual behavior. ALL homosexual behavior is an abomination according to Jewish law.


    "Also, as I said, the parade is not telling people to go and have homosexual relations. It is calling for attention to the problem and getting it out of the taboo sphere."

    "Getting it out of the taboo sphere is saying it is permitted". C"V.

    Homosexuality is definitely forbidden. It is an abomination. There is no such thing as permitted homosexual behavior and you cannot produce a source in halacha that permits a man to lie with another man.

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  15. "What EXACTLY are you trying to say?

    You said we are not in Galut.

    For Galut to have ended, Moshiach has to first be revealed, then the miracles have to happen, then we have to wander in the desert again for 40 years. THEN we will return to Eretz Yisrael."

    Do you have a source for this? Again, my source on the definitions of galuth and ge'ula is Rambam.

    "ALL homosexual behavior is an abomination according to Jewish law."

    Source please? (specifically about the abomination)

    "Getting it out of the taboo sphere is saying it is permitted". C"V.

    No it is not.

    This is a waste of time, you are not even reading what I write.

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  16. These comments are all from frumteens.com. The Rabbi there says it better than I ever could.

    “We see clearly how idea has gone bankrupt. Where they thought that through this [State] Jewish respect will be increased among the nations, eliminating anti-Semitism, the opposite it true. The hate has grown even greater, and all the rallies and protests are purposeless and totally useless. For at whom are they directing their protests? At those who hate us! For the rule is “Esav soneh es Yaakov”.” (Rav Shach, Letters, I:1)

    The existence of the State was predicted by Chazal:

    “The very establishment of the State and its continued existence the way it is, surely is part of Hashems Hashgachah like everything else in the world, and according to all the signs it was foretold by Chazal in Mesechta Sotah regarding what will happen during Ikvesa D’Meshichah, for all of the signs have been completely fulfilled by the Medinah without anything missing, … all the signs have been fulfilled in the management of the State and its laws …
    (a) And their assembly places will become houses of prostitution’
    (b) ‘children have no booshah for their parents, daughters will rebel against their mothers,
    (c) those who fear G-d will be disgraced,
    (d) the truth will be hidden
    (e) leaders will desire falsehood (Letters I:2)


    The Oaths are quoted L'Halachah in numerous sources, including but not limited to: Responsa Rivash #110, Responsa Rashbash #2, Megilas Esther on Sefer HaMitzvos of Rambam (#4 - Regarding whay the Rambam does not count the Mitzvah to live in Eretz Yisroel in his list of Mitzvos), Ramban (Maamar HaGeulah #1 regarding why all Jews outside of Bavel - the majority of Jews at the time - did not go to Eretz Yisroel at Coresh's call), Rambam (Igeres Taimon - warning peple not to violate the Oaths or else face grave danger), Maharal (Netzach Yisroel 24) writes that even if the Goyim try to force us to take Eretz Yisroel for ourselves during Golus, we must allow ourselves to be killed rather than take violate the Oaths.

    The Rambam mentions the Kibutz Golius that Moshiach will perform, and also says that the fulfillment of world peace and the "conclusion" of the "fearful acts that will take place from east to west", "they will not happen at the beginning of his revelation in the world, but rather after the war of Gog and Magog."

    Moshiach will be a prophet greater than all prophets except Moshe Rabbeinu. He will be a unique Tzadik as well, with qualities that were until then present only in Moshe Rabbeinu. He will be known as such. "Therefore, if someone who is not publicly known for his wisdom gets up and declares he is Moshiach, we may not believe him."

    In other words, first Moshiach will be revealed suddenly in Eretz Yisroel, with signs that he is Moshiach, then, after Moshiach's revelation according to those signs, there will be Kibutz Golius, the war of Gog and Magog (it is clear that the war of Gog and Magog will be after the revelation of Moshiach), then other Messianic prophecies will be fulfilled.

    This is supported by the Gemora at the beginnign of Avodah Zorah which states that even before the war of Gog and Magog, Moshiach will be revealed, known to the nations of the world, and the nations wil be so scared of him that they all want to become Jewish.

    So even though we will not know for sure that this person is Moshiach, we will have a measure of evidence, such that we will be entitled to assume that he is indeed the real Moshiach. And that assumption would allow us to follow him from Kibutz Golius.

    The problem is, as Grend mentioned, the Rambam in Mishne Torah says (11:3) that "Moshiach will not nned to do any signs or wonders and change things in the world or nature or resurrect the dead ... rather, if someone of Dovidic lineage, and performs mitzvos like his father Dovid ... and will make all of Klall Yisroel follow the Torah, and repent, he is assumed to be Moshiach. If he succeeds..."

    SO first, even here, the Rambam tells us that a prerequisite even for a person to be assumed to be Moshiach is that he will cause all of Klall Yisroel to do Teshuva. With a 60% intermarriage rate in Amaerica, and will all the rebellious teenagers still not frum, and with all the Loshon Horah that is spoken, and all the Aveiros that we all still do, clearly, not even an assumed Moshiach is has yet arrived.

    (Note: Here, too, Lubavitch has distorted things. When the Rambam says that Moshiahc will make all of Klall Yisroel do Teshuva, he is not referring exclusively to what we call "Ballei Teshuva" - peopel who know nothing about Judaism becoming religious. He says all of Klall Yisroel, meaning, the religious Jews as well. More so, even, because if we are going to consider the non-religious Tonokos Shenishu, then they have little to do Teshuva for, compared to us. The Rambam means that Moshiach will make all the Yeshiva bochurim and BY girls and frum baalei batim do Teshuva. And even according to their distortion, nothing close to even all of the Tonokos Shenishbu have done Teshuva. As I mentioned, an intermarrige rate of oer 60% in America means that not only have they all not done Teshuva, but their situation in a way is a lot worse than ever in Jewish history. A far cry from the Rambam's requirement.)

    But besides Teshuva, the Rambam also says (11:12) that all Jews will gather around moshiach, who will determine their lineage with Ruach HaKodesh, and (see Kesef Mishna) that he will also posess the Urim V'Tumim.

    In Hilchos Teshuva the Rambam writes that Moshiach will be wiser even than Shlomo HaMelech, and all the Goyim will come and listen to him.

    And more: The Rambam writes that one of the requirements of a Navi in general is that he perform supernatural acts to prove his stature.

    And the Rambam in Pirush HaMishnayos in Sanhedrin (ch. 11) explains that all the world, including the Goyim, will make peace with Moshiach and serve him, "because of his great righteousness and the wonders that he will do, yet reality will not be changed from what it will currently be, except for the fact that the Jews will rule."

    So clearly, there will be many wonderous acts and even miracles that the Moshiach will perform, even before the world changes, and what the Rambam says that Moshiach will not do any wonders or miracles is referring to wonders and miracles such as he lists, like the resurrection of the dead and similar things that are changes in the reality of the world, things that will indeed happen later on in the Messianic age. So all the Rambam means, as he says more clear in Peiruch HaMishnayos, is that the Moshiach will not perform any Messianic changes in the world until later on, but even at the beginning of his revelation, he will perform several wonderous acts.

    When all that happens, we can follow that man into Kibutz Golius.

    ANd Kibutz Golius doesnt even mean that we will go from Chutz Laaretz into Erezt Yisroel. the Raavad in his commentary on Edios writes that before we go into Erezt Yisroel, Moshiach will take all of Klall Yisroel through the desert again, like he (Moshe, the redeemer) did the first time. If that doesnt happen, then it's not the Kibutz Golius.


    That is what the Rambam says.

    That is how I learned it in school and also at home from my mother.

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  17. Jewish Ethics and Halakhah For Our Time: | 2002
    As Originally Appeared in :
    KTAV PUBUSHING HOUSE. INC.
    YESHIVA UNIVERSITY PRESS, New York (1984)

    Rabbi Basil F. Herring from Jonahweb.org

    Sources

    A. Leviticus 18:22
    Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is an abomination

    B. Leviticus 20:13
    And if a man lie with mankind as with womankind, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

    C. Leviticus 18:3
    After the doings of the land of Egypt wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do…neither shall ye walk in their statues.

    D. Deuteronomy 23:18
    There shall be no harlot of the daughters of Israel, neither shall there be a Sodomite of the sons of Israel.

    E. Genesis 19:5
    And they called unto Lot and said unto him: “Where are the men that come in to thee this night” Bring them out unto us, that we may know them!”

    F. Mishash, Kiddushin 82a
    Said R. Judah: “A bachelor should not gaze upon a cow, and two bachelors should not sleep under one cover.” But the sages permit this.

    G. Kiddushin 82a
    It is stated in a Beraita: “They said to R. Judah: Israelites are not suspected in matters regarding homosexuality or zoophilia”

    H. Mishnah, Sanhedrin 54a
    The punishment for practicing homosexuality or zoophilia…is stoning.

    I. Sanhedrin 54a-b
    Where is the prohibition of homosexuality? Because it says (B) “If a man” i.e., a man and not a minor, and it says, ”lie with mankind.” i.e., whether the passive partner be an adult of a minor. And it says “as with womankind,” from which we learn that there are two modes of lying with a woman… This verse speaks of the punishment for this act: whence comes the prohibition? It is Leviticus 18:22 (A). That verse speaks only of the “active” partner: what of the passive one? R. Ishmael said that it is referred to in Deuteronomy 23:18 (D), as well as 1 Kings 14:24, “and there were also Sodomites in the land.” R. Akiva said: “Those verses are not necessary; instead, there is an alternative reading in our verse, for by changing the pointing to read tishakhev, it would read ‘thou shalt not be lain with mankind as with womankind.’”

    J. Yevamot 53b
    Rava said: ”A man may not claim that he committed a prohibited sexual act involuntarily, for there cannot be an erection against his will.”

    K. Yevamot 88a
    Said Rava: ”The law is not in accordance with Rav Huna, who said that a lesbian may not marry a kohen [priest]. For even according to R. Eliezer, who considers an unmarried couple who have cohabitated as performing an act of zenut [harlotry, which disqualifies the woman from ever marrying a kohen], this does not apply to two women who lie together; in their case, this is simply sexual licentiousness.”

    L. Maimonides, M.T. Hilkhet Issurei Biah 22:2
    Israelites are not suspected in matters regarding homosexuality or zoophilia, therefore it is not forbidden to sequester oneself with another Jewish male. If, however, one does take special precaution to avoid being alone with another male, such an attitude is praiseworthy.

    M. Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer 24
    (Quotes (L) Verbatim, then adds:) But in these times, when there is so much licentiousness, one should indeed take special precautions to avoid being alone with another male.

    N. Sefer ha-Hinukh 209-210
    The view of Maimonides is that “there shall be no harlot” (D) adds a negative command to the prohibition of homosexuality, similar to the number of prohibitions in the Torah that duplicate other prohibitions using different words, I have noted also that according to Nahmanides, (D) forbids us to permit in our holy nation the existence of a kadesh, which refers to a male who is available for homosexual acts, in the manner commonly found in Islamic lands to this day… At the root of this command is that God wanted the world to be populated, and so He commanded us not to waste our seed in the manner of Gentile sexual practices. For homosexuality is in truth destructive of the seed, not leading to offspring, for providing conjugal fulfillment. Besides, such an act is detestable and vile in the extreme to any intelligent person. A person who was created to serve his Creator should not debase himself by such vile acts.



    Discussion

    1. THE NATURE OF THE PROHIBITION AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY

    The fundamental fact regarding any discussion of Jewish approaches to homosexuality is that the Torah considers homosexuality to be an abomination, and therefore categorically prohibited (A). It is an act which , if all the legal conditions are satisfied, is punishable by death (B) for both the active (“male”) and passive (“female”) partners who intentionally commit such an act. The Talmud (H, I) establishes the textual prohibition as well as punishment for them both, even though there is some difference of opinion between R. Ishmael and R. Akiva as to the exact verses involved. Such views are occasioned by the fact that a second verse, found in Deuteronomy (D), prohibits what appears to be homosexuality. The term in Deuteronomy is kadesh, used in juxtaposition to the female kedeshah, which is likewise prohibited. The term kadesh is taken by the preponderance of authorities, such as Maimonides and Nahmanides (see N), to refer to any male who is available for homosexual acts, a state of affairs not uncommon in the ancient Near East.1 For Maimonides, however this is not a separate prohibition but merely an enlargement upon the levitical prohibition, simply echoed and emphasized a second time.

    Beyond these purely legal contexts, Scripture conveys its abhorrence of homosexuality through a variety of narrative settings, at least as understood by the rabbinic tradition. The paradigmatic instance of such aberrant behavior is found in the demand of the men of Sodom to “know” the men visiting Lot, the nephew of Abraham (E), thus lending their name to the practice of “sodomy” (homosexuality).2 A somewhat similar episode is encountered in Judges 19, this time involving the tribe of Benjamin. Homosexuality as well as incestuous overtones are detected by the amora Samuel in the narrative of the drunken Noah and his son Ham—an act sufficient to cause Noah to curse Ham’s posterity.3 There is also a hint of homosexual intent on the part of Potiphar, master of Joseph. According to Rav, Potiphar purchased Joseph on account of his physical beauty, intending to maintain a homosexual relationship, but was thwarted by divine intervention.4 The Midrash likewise identifies one of the contributory factors leading to the flood that destroyed Noah’s generation as the common practice of issuing formal ”marriage” contracts legitimizing homosexual liaisons in public.5

    In later generations, sodomy is encountered in the scriptural account of such practices during the days of the kings Rehoboam, Asa, and Jehoshaphat—and only finally erased by Jostah.6 From such descriptions as these, referring to “houses of the sodomites that were in the house of the lord”(2 Kings 23:7), it would appear that they played the role of ritual male homosexual prostitutes until finally eradicated by Josiah.7

    In post biblical times, recorded instances of homosexual activity in Jewish communities are rare in the extreme. The Jerusalem Talmud records one such incident, accidentally encountered by R. Judah b. Pazzi,8 while according to Josephus, King Herod’s son Alexander had homosexual tendencies.9

    Clearly what emerges from the biblical and post biblical sources is an attitude that considered homosexuality an anathema to be abhorred. The exact class of the prohibition involves a difference of opinion among the rishonim: Maimonides is of the opinion that homosexuality is prohibited because it is considered to be one of the arayot, the severe sexual transgressions, like incest, forbidden to both Jew and Gentile.10 Other early authorities, such as Rashba, Meiri, and Ritva, are in substantial agreement with Maimonides in classifying homosexuality as arayot.11 On the other hand, a minority view is that of Tosafot, which considers the act to belong in the more conventional category of generally prohibited acts, even though punishable by death.12 The distinction is not merely casuistic; it determines whether or not one may submit to performing a homosexual act at the risk of one’s life, if homosexuality is arayot, one has no choice but to be killed rather than commit such an act. If it is merely “forbidden” (a tav), then submission becomes possible. In any case, it is the majority, and stricter, view that became normative.13 Hence this viewpoint can be seen to be quite consistent with the Talmudic dispensation to prevent an act of homosexual rape, if necessary, by killing the rapist.14

    Similarly, because the act is viewed as one of the arayot, it is forbidden to the Gentile as well.15 Indeed, since rabbinic literature presumes Gentile society to be particularly open to homosexual tendencies, extreme care is to be taken in situations where such tendencies might lead to homosexual activity.16 The punishment for Gentile acts of homosexuality is likewise the death penalty, although in certain details this punishment differs from that of a Jewish sodomite.17

    Having examined the parameters of the prohibition against homosexuality, we may well ask why the Torah and the tradition are so emphatic in their condemnation of the act. What is the reason for the prohibition? In the Talmud, Bar Kapparah is recorded as seeing a play on words in the very term to’evah, or “abomination,” as used in the levitical prohibition. To his mind the term is the equivalent of to’eh atah bah, i.e., “by such an act you go astray.”18 The import of this interpretation is taken by the classical commentaries (such as Rashi, Rosh, and Tosatot ad loc.) to refer to the underpinning of marital life by the homosexual abandoning his familial responsibilities to pursue such illicit relationships.

    More direct, however is the view that sees in homosexuality a violation of the command to be fruitful. Thus Pesikta Zutarta points out that it is of the very nature of such relationships that no children can result from them.19 Accordingly, sexual activity of this kind must be seen as a violation of the prohibition of the wasting of seed (hashatat zera), otherwise known as onanism.20 This approach is adumbrated by the Sefer ha-Hinukh (N) as in contravention of God’s will to populate the world, and simply a barren exercise in momentary pleasure “In the manner of Gentile sexual practices.”21

    The Sefer ha-Hinukh also reasons that the act is “detestable and wile in the extreme to any intelligent person,” irrespective of a particular prohibition that might be assigned to the act. Clearly this view is echoed in the Talmud itself when it comments on the unnaturalness of the homosexual act, i.e., the anatomical reality that attests to the more natural union of heterosexual activity.22 As Rabbi Barukh Halevi Epstein put it in his Torah Temimah, such activity goes astray from the foundations of creation and of nature.23 Such views are well summarized by Rabbi Norman Lamm when he said that “an act characterized as an abomination is prima facie disgusting and cannot be further defined or explained… it is, as it were, a visceral reaction, an intuitive disqualification of the act, and we run the risk of distorting the biblical judgment if we rationalize it.”24 Hence, no matter how popular or accepted an act, if it remains biblically abhorred and anathema—and, as Rabbi David Zevi Hoffmann explains, that is the ultimate meaning of the term to’evah: ”it is abominable.”25

    But the most recent, and repercussive, comments elucidating the gravity of the homosexual act are found in a responsum dated 1976, and published in 1981, by Rabbi Moshe Feinstein. He understands Bar Kapparah’s comment (“by such an act you go astray”) to be motivated by the following question: There are numerous forbidden sexual acts that are considered to’evah, or an abomination, in Leviticus—but why is homosexuality alone singled out to be referred to twice as an abomination (both in A and B)? R. Moshe answers that whereas the other forbidden acts can be seen as deviant expressions of a basically legitimate and natural sexual urge implanted in man’s nature, the homosexual act is devoid of any natural sexuality in any form, and does not derive from the divinity implanted sexual urge. It is instead a fundamental expression of rebellion against the biblical norm, almost a deliberate flaunting that is carried out because the act is forbidden (le hakh’is). Accordingly, the homosexual act has no justification whatsoever; by its nature it is an act of defiance, and it is therefore the abomination par excellence.26

    The discussion to this point, while speaking of “homosexuality” (lit.. “preferring the same sex.”) in general terms, has not attempted to distinguish between male and female homosexuality. The latter, i.e., lesbian activity, commands separate attention in the halakhic context and is not viewed with the same stringency as homosexuality, albeit it is considered a prohibited act. The Torah forbids the Israelite from imitating the “doings of the land of Egypt” (C), and the Sifra takes this to be referring to Egyptian lesbianism.27 Since its biblical basis does not invoke mention of arayot, lesbianism does not assume the proportions of incest of adultery or other severely prohibited arayot. It remains within the category of the “merely” forbidden activities.

    According to Rav Huna in the Gemara, the act of lesbianism is sufficient to render a woman a zonah (harlot), which in its technical application would disqualify her from ever marrying a priest (K). Apparently, Rav Huna considers the act to involve genital intercourse, and therefore to change the sexual status of the women involved.28 The more accepted view of the Talmud, however, is more lenient, in asserting that such an act is not harlotry (zenut) at all, but merely sexual licentiousness (prizut)(K). Consequently, Maimonides and R. Jacob b. Asher (author of the Tur) codify the law as forbidding lesbian liaisons, even through there is no biblically mandated punishment on technical grounds. (Corporal lashes are administered only where there is a specific prohibition directed to that activity, whereas the "doings of Egypt" includes other activities.)29 At the same time, because there is no zenu,the lesbian may subsequently marry a priest.30 Nonetheless, efforts to prevent lesbian activity are required. Thus for example, the Talmud records the practice of the father of the amora Samuel, who prevented his daughters from sleeping together in one bed, so as not to become accustomed to such patterns of behavior.31 Maimonides likewise counsels care in having women avoid other women known to have lesbian preferences.32

    Why the halakhah distinguishes in this way between male and female homosexuality is not absolutely clear. While Maimonides speaks in terms of lesbianism not being an act of genital intercourse (btah), it would appear that a more fundamental reason would be the absence of destruction of the male seed, the consideration that figures so prominently in the prohibition of male homosexuality. Thus lesbianism is forbidden as an act of sexual license, in that it is perceived as weakening the fabric of family life and the normative patterns of permitted sexual expression.

    One final question in dealing with the nature of the prohibition can now be dealt with: Is it the homosexual act per se that is prohibited and is the exclusive concern of the Torah, or is there a prohibition even of homosexual preferences, thoughts, or friendships that do not involve the act of sexual intercourse of sodomy? Moshe Haievi Spero has argued that the latter are likewise prohibited in the Torah by implication. 33 Starting with the verse in Genesis 2:24, "therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shalt be one flesh," and the talmudic inference that "cleaving" by implication is opposed to homosexuality (in that the physical union in homosexuality is not complete).34 Spero concludes that the verse is an indictment even of homosexual thoughts. This follows from the verse's emphasis on acheiving a stable and healthy sexual life by detaching oneself from any sexual attraction to one's parents, whether hetero- or homosexual. Accordingly, what the Torah seems to be requiring as a normal heterosexual outlook, one that has resolved any latent parent-child conflicts that might lead to a homosexual orientation, Spero concludes that the homosexual, even without engaging in homosexual acts, fails to achieve the scriptural mandate of heterosexual maturity or completeness (in accordance with the talmudic statement that "any man who has no wife is not a man")35 Thus, irrespective of the consequences for family life or social stability, the homosexual is to be regarded as defective, whether or not he engages in homosexual acts.

    2. CAN THE HOMOSEXUAL DISCLAIM RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS CONDITION?

    From the preceding discussion it is obvious that the biblical-rabbinic tradition considers homosexuality to be forbidden under any circumstances, when undertaken as a deliberate, conscious act. That is to say, one may not freely choose to engage in homosexual relations as an "alternative sexual preference." But what if one is a so-called genuine homosexual, who has made serious efforts to overcome that orientation, but to no avail. Is he to be held responsible for his condition, even though it is not by choice?

    The question is not merely technical, for it gets to the heart of the issue as to how the homosexual is to be treated within the halachic community: Is he a sinner, or merely "sick”; is he immoral, or simply the victim of circumstances and forces beyond his control?

    The fundamental halakhic principle touching on this problem occurs in tractate Yevamot (J), where Rava states that a male who commits a prohibited sexual act cannot claim to be acting under duress, for by virtue of having achieved sexual erection, he is deemed to have desired that act. This is not the case with a woman, who, even though she too might have been sexually stimulated, might well claim that her response was involuntary and under duress, as the result of a rape situation.36 In the case of a man, In Rava's view, there cannot be an erection against one's will. This principle was formulated and codified into law by Maimonides. 37 The only mitigating consideration occurs when such sexual arousal occurred in an initially legitimate context but was deflected by external coercion to a forbidden act. 38 The severity of this principle is clearly consistent with normative view, encountered earlier,39 and articulated by Maimonides, that would prohibit a man from performing a forbidden sexual act under duress.

    It is this principle which must govern the attitude taken toward the genuine homosexual. Accordingly, he cannot claim internal "duress," or the inability to control his sexual drives. If he is sexually aroused, it must be assumed that this is an act of his own autonomous desire, and hence he is responsible for his condition. This is particularly true when, as is normally the case, the homosexual derives pleasure from the act, for as R. Moshe Feinstein has argued in a slightly different context, any pleasure derived from a prohibited act performed under duress increases the level of prohibition.40

    And yet, having affirmed that the homosexual cannot disclaim responsibility for his condition, there is room to argue for a more lenient judgment of homosexuality if it is perceived as a disease. Rabbi Norman Lamm has argued for the view of homosexuality as pathology, based on findings that indicate certain developmental traits, such as passivity, dependence, and phobic tendencies.41 Responding to the majority view of the American Psychiatric Association, which declares homosexuality "normal," Lamm believes strongly that such a view is politically motivated and the result of societal pressures brought to bear. In his view there are sufficient clinical traits that would render homosexuality to be a pathology that simply cannot be turned into health by majority vote. Invoking the principle that "no man sins unless he is overcome by a spirit of madness" (Sotah Sa). he argues for leniency in formulating a halkhic response to genuine homosexuality. Lamm finds a rough parallel in the response of the Halakhah to a suicide. The suicide is generally presumed, unless there is strong evidence to the contrary, to have acted out of a measure of insanity or incompetence, even though the Halakhah retains the strongest possible anathema against the act of suicide.42 Similarly, homosexuality can be viewed as absolutely prohibited even while the homosexual himself is to be sympathetically understood with a view to treatment and rehabilitation. Lamm similarly argues against judicial punishment for such activities, as being at best ineffective and at worst counterproductive.

    Reinforcing this view is a responsum by R. Hayyim Pelaggi, in the nineteenth century.43 Dealing with the status of an admitted homosexual, Pelaggi accepts the possibility of genuine repentance and rehabilitation of the individual concerned, even though he cautions against anyone secluding himself with that individual. Apparently, even when repentance is genuine, the possibility of subsequent failure remains and requires additional precaution. The first Chief Rabbi of Israel, Rabbi A. I. Kook, likewise assumes the possibility of repentance of a homosexual in a responsum dealing with an individual suspected of such activity.44

    To summarize, then, the homosexual is held responsible for his actions, no matter how much they may be the result of inner forces which he feels are beyond his control. But at the same time, such behavior, when genuinely impervious to sincere efforts to change, is to be viewed with compassion and sympathetic concern that is intended to overcome the effects of this pathology. Repentance must always be a possibility, even though homosexuality constitutes a sickness of profound proportions.

    3. ASSOCIATION OR SECLUSION WITH THE HOMOSEXUAL

    The Mishnah in Kiddushin (F) records two opinions regarding latent homosexuality and the problems involved in two men sleeping under one cover. R. Judah forbids such intimacy, evidently on the grounds that homosexual tendencies might come to the fore, whereas the sages, constituting the preponderance of tannaim, did not share this concern and permitted two Israelite men to share a blanket. The Gemara records the basis for their leniency in the face of R. Judah's concern: Israelite men are not suspected of harboring homosexual tendencies (G). Hence, no special precautions are required as a matter of course. An adjacent passage similarly records two views regarding seclusion with another person who is sexually forbidden because of the prohibition of arayot. In that passage, R. Judah reports the view of R. Assi permitting such seclusion and allowing a man, for instance, to live with his mother or daughter. The amora Samuel, however, is opposed to any seclusion involving two people whose union is prohibited as arayot.45

    Regarding both passages, Maimonides accepts the more lenient view:i.e., he agrees with the sages and R. Assi that, as a rule, seclusion, and even sharing a blanket with another male, is permissible.46 Nevertheless, Maimonides does add that extra precaution is praiseworthy and to be admired, even though not strictly required by law (E). Such precautions would seem to be prompted by the concerns of R. Judah and Samuel.47 In Addition, the same passage in the Gemara records the personal precautions of Abbaye and Rava, as an act of persona piety, to avoid any hint of such seclusion. The Tosafot likewise accepted the view of R. Assi, against the view of Samuel.48 Maimonides' decision and formulation (L) was adopted verbatim by the Tur.49

    Such an agreement notwithstanding, subsequent generations saw a measure of debate. R. Joseph Karo, in formulating the law in his Shulhan Arukh (M),first quotes Maimonides but then adds the important qualifier that in times of widespread sexual license, such as in his own day, the extra precautions were not merely "personal piety" but required by law. This view, as explained by the Vilna Gaon,50 understood the lenient view of the sages to be conditional upon the perceived behavioral patterns of a given age, and not a blanket principle with universal validity though time. Hence a more strict application of R. Judah and Samuel becomes possible in another era.

    However, there were those who insisted on retaining the earlier, more permissive view regarding such seclusion, R. Joel Sirkes (known as the Bah), about a century after the Shulhan Arukh, considered the ruling of the Shulhan Arukh to have been the result of conditions and practices peculiar to his own time and place, but not valid in seventeenth-century Poland, where homosexuality was unheard of among Jews, according to him.51 Accordingly it was his view that avoiding seclusion with another male Israelite, while praiseworthy, was certainly not required by law. An even more lenient position was taken by R. Solomon Luria (Maharshal). In his view, not only is such seclusion permitted, but one who deliberately avoids seclusion with another male (or an animal, for that matter) is guilty of acting presumptuously(mihzi ke'yuhera). 52 He bases his view on a passage in Rabbeinu Asher (Rosh) that speaks of permissible avoidance of seclusion with conventional arayot, without mentioning homosexuality or zoophilia, and from this he concludes that there is no warrant for deliberately avoiding seclusion with another male. Luria’s position, however, was criticized by later authorities for not recognizing other passages by Rosh, as well as those by Maimonides and R. Jacob b. Asher, that explicitly include homosexual concerns as legitimate reason to avoid seclusion.53

    Subsequent authorities tended to the view of R. Joel Sirkes, i.e., as a rule the law does not require special precautions to avoid seclusion, for such action can be left to the personal piety of the individual, unless there is widespread practice of homosexuality in a given time or place, such as that of the Shulhan Arukh. Thus, for instance, R. Jacob Emden (Ya'avez) mentions in passing that no special precautions are required when two Israelite men are secluded together,54 R. Hayyim Pelaggi, in the above mentioned responsum,55 prohibits seclusion only where one of the individuals involved has shown homosexual tendencies or experiences in the past.56 In the twentieth century, Rabbi Abraham Isaac ha-Kohen Kook, in the above-mentioned responsum, added a novel explanation: The differences between Karo and Sirkes can be explained with reference to the respective climates of Israel and Poland, whereby colder lands such as Poland see less homosexual activity, while the warmer Middle Eastern countries are more conducive to homosexual proclivities. Hence Sirkes in Poland is more lenient, and Karo (in Israel) is more strict. On the basis of this distinction, Rabbi Kook considers the view of Karo in the Shulhan Arukh to be operative at least in Israel, and he thus finds fault with an individual for having permitted himself to be secluded with another male.

    The outcome of views such as these is that the permissibility of seclusion with another male is a function of the climate -whether physical or moral- of one's times, and this is so whether we adopt Rabbi Kook's criterion of hot or cold weather patterns, or the more conventional approach of determining what kind of sexual practices are prevalent in a given society. Where homosexuality is widespread and openly practiced in many quarters, and where sexual licentiousness is the hallmark of the time, it would appear that even the lenient school would prohibit seclusion with another male, even without his having evinced homosexual tendencies in the past. Such precautions would apply a fortiori to sleeping under one blanket.57

    4. HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY

    It is clear from the foregoing that no responsible traditionalist could seriously consider homosexuality to be an "alternative sexual preference" to be accepted side by side with heterosexuality.58 Whether it be viewed simply as "abomination" of more analytically as in contravention of divine intentions vis-a-vis human fulfillment and the begetting of progeny, homosexuality remains anathema. In the Torah it is a capital crime, associated with the most corrupt societies, such as Sodom and decadent Egypt. The view of Maimonides is that homosexuality is forbidden as arayot, i.e., comparable in seriousness to incest, while Tosafot considered it "merely" prohibited. In this dispute, Maimonides' stricter view became normative, with one result being the acceptance of the permissibility of killing a homosexual who is about to rape another male, assuming there is no other way to prevent the act.

    As to the reason for the Torah regarding homosexuality as an abomination, there are three major views: Some, like Rashi, see homosexuality primarily as a threat to family life; others, like the Sefer ha-Hinukh, find the rational in the "wasting of male seed," otherwise referred to as an onanism. A third approach could be characterized as nonreductionist, i.e.,the homosexual act is simply detestable. It is not important how we formulate the rationale, for the act remains "unnatural" and simply unacceptable. Such a view is associated with Bar Kapparah in the Talmud.

    Lesbianism is not viewed by the Halakhah with the same degree of seriousness, even though female homosexuality remains strictly forbidden. While all are agreed that it is not one of the arayot, there is some difference of opinion about whether it is a form of harlotry of merely sexual licentiousness. The latter, more lenient, view was accepted by most authorities, including Maimonides and R. Jacob b. Asher. Nonetheless, they urged extreme caution in avoiding women known to have homosexual predilections lest associations with them lead to lesbian activities.

    This, however, is not to say that all halakhists would insist on punishment of the genuine homosexual. Some, such as Rabbi Norman Lamm, have argued for a more realistic approach that, while recognizing the heinousness of the act, perceives homosexuality as a form of disease of psychological disability and pathology requiring treatment and not incarceration, understanding and not harsh judgment. An approach of this kind could be a parallel to the attitude of Halakhah to the suicide, which condemns the act even while taking a humane and conciliatory approach to the agent himself. This view is consistent with the few responsa on the topic in general that speak of repentance and rehabilitation (R. Hayyim Pelaggi and Rabbi A. I. Kook).

    One further area of concern in developing an overall approach to the place of homosexuality in the Jewish community occurs in the halakhic discussion pertaining to seclusion with another male, with or without a homosexual history. The talmud records two opinions, one permitting two Jewish men to be secluded with each other, the other forbidding this. The former view predominated, in that Israelite men were not to be suspected of homosexuality. Nonetheless, while most authorities permitted this seclusion, they also viewed any special precautions preventing it to be a desirable step, even though not required by law. Such was the view of Maimonides and R. Jacob b. Asher, and later of R. Joel Sirkes. A more restrictive position is taken by R. Joseph Karo in the Shulhan Arukh. It is his position that if in fact lewdness is socially widespread, then such seclusion would be forbidden by the law. On the other hand, however, Maharshal took a very lenient view regarding seclusion: One who avoids seclusion is guilty of presumptuous behavior and is not to be tolerated. This latter view did not become widespread. The generally accepted view was to permit seclusion where neither individual thus secluded has a history of homosexuality--except in places or times where sexual license and depravity are widespread. In such cases extra care would be required by law. This is the thrust of remarks by the Vilna Gaon, R. Hayyim Pelaggi, Ya'avez, and Rabbi A. I. Kook. Similar positions have been enunciated by other traditionalist spokesmen within the Orthodox community.59

    Attempts to come to terms with the problems of homosexuality that argue for its acceptance because it is so widespread seem to put the cart before the horse. The Halakhah, as we have seen, classically has responded to sexual depravity by raising, not lowering, acceptable standards of behavior, and by demanding additional precautions and care. The answer to the "gay liberation" movement in halakhic terms cannot be by meeting it halfway, but rather by an unequivocal rejection of such practices, while seeking to help in every way those genuine homosexuals who wish to overcome their unfortunate condition.

    To return to the case which this chapter began, the young man should not attend services or programs at homosexual synagogues or organizations. Instead, he should make every effort to find a conventional synagogue where he might feel socially accepted. He should certainly attempt to overcome his condition by psychological therapy and genuine religious introspection leading to a more normal sexual life.

    JONAH Tag

    Footnotes

    1. Cf. Rashi to Deut. 23:18. Onkelos, however, takes the term kadesh to be referring to marriage with a Canaanite bondwoman - cf. Sefer ha-Hinukh 209, and Minhat Hinukh ad loc., sec. 3.
    2. Cf. Genesis Rabbah 50:5, on Gen. 9:22 ff. More generally see M.Kasher, Torah Shlemah, vol. 3 to Gen 19:5.
    3. Sanhedrin 70a. Rav's view, however, is that Ham castrated Noah. thereby preventing the birth of a fourth son, and accounting for the curse of Ham's own fourth son, Canaan.
    4. Sotah 13b, with reference to Gen. 39:1. Rav derives this from the subsequent listing of Potiphar as Potiphera (Gen.41:45), the latter term implying mutilation (by the angel Gabriel, according to Rav). Cf. Targum Yerushalmi to Gen. 39.1, and Rashi ad loc.
    5. Leviticus Rabbah 18:13.
    6. 1 Kings 14:24 , 15:12 , 22:47: 2 Kings 23:7.
    7. This is the conclusion reached by Sanhedrin 24b. See also LouisM. Epstein, Sex Laws and Customs in Judaism [ New York , 1948], pp. 135-136.
    8. Jerusalem Talmud Sanhedrin 6:3 (p. 28a).
    9. Josephus. Wars I, 24:7, as well as his Antiquities of the Jews 15:25-30, in referring to the Roman ruler Anthony, whose homosexuality was evidently well known. Cf. Epstein, Sex Laws, p. 137. A passing reference to Roman sexual depravity is found in Lamentations Rabbah 4:4.
    10. Maimonides, M.T.Hil, Melakhim 9:5 - 6. This is based on Sanhedrin 58a. Cf. also M. T. Hil, Rozeiah 1:11.
    11. Responsa Rashba1237,Meiri to Sanhedrin 9b, and Ritva to Pesahim 26b, in the name of Ra'ah. These and other sources are discussed at length in Meir Krauser, Devar ha-Melekh (Jerusalem,1962), Vol.1, pp.22-23.
    12. Tosafot, Sanhedrin 73a, and Tosafot, Yevamot 54b, The Penei Yehoshua (Responsa on Ever ha Ezer 44) agrees with this minority view.
    13. For further discussion of this point, see below regarding the status of one forced to perform a homosexual act.
    14. See Sanhedrin 73a.
    15. Sanhedrin 58a, and Maimonides, M.T. Hil. Melakhim 9:5-6. The biblical source is Gen. 2:24.
    16. See Maimonides, M.T.Hil. Issurei Biah 22:5. Also see Sefer ha-Hinukh (N).
    17. Maimonides, M.T. Hil. Issurei Biah 14:18, Hil. Melakhim 10:1-2 and 9:6.
    18. Nedarim 51a.
    19. Cf. Torah Temimah to Lev. 18:22.
    20. For a general discussion of the prohibition of the wasting of male seed, see above Chapter 1.
    21. A preponderance of views agree that the prohibition is biblical and not merely rabbinic in nature. Cf. the exchange in Tradition 9, nos. 1-2 [1967]: 205-212, no.4 [1967]: 140-147.
    22. Sanhedrin 58a.
    23. Torah Temimah to Lev. 18:22 and Gen. 2:24.
    24. Norman Lamm, "Judaism and the Modern Attitude to Homosexuality, Encyclopaedia Judaica Yearbook, 1974, and reprinted in M. Kellner, ed., Contemporary Jewish Ethics(New York, 1978), p.383. Many of Lamm's points were made earlier in his "The New Dispensation on Homosexuality: A Jewish Reaction to a Developing Christian Attitude," Jewish Life 35, no. 3 (January - February 1968): 11-16.
    25. The Commentary of D.Z. Hoffman to Leviticus (Jerusalem, 1972), to Lev. 18:30 (vol.2, p.54).
    26. See Moshe Feinstein, Iggerot Moshe (New York, 1973), Orah Hayyim 4:115.
    27. Sifra Lev. 9:8.
    28. Cf. Rashi to Yevamot 76a, and Tosafot ad loc.
    29. Maimonides, M.T. Hil. Issurei Biah, 21:8, Tur Even ha-Ezer 20.
    30. Ibid
    31. Shabbat 65a.
    32. Maimonides, Hil. Issurei Biah, 21:8.
    33. Moshe Halevy Spero, "Homosexuality: Clinical and Ethical Challenges." Tradition 17, no. 4 (Spring 1979): 57-59.
    34. Sanhedrin 58a, Torah Temimah to Gen.2:24.
    35. Yevamot 63a.
    36. The classic illustration is Esther in the Purim story, as explained by Tosafot to Yevamot 63a, as well as Ketuvot 51b and Sanhedrin 73a.
    37. Maimonides, M.T. Hil. Sanhedrin 20:3, Hil. Issurei Biah, 1:9.
    38. Tosafot, loc.cit., as well as Kesef Mishnah to M.T. Sanhedrin, 20:3, and Maggid Mishnah to Hil. Issurei Biah, 1:9.
    39. Cf.above, p.183.
    40. R. Moshe Feinstein, Iggerot Moshe, Yoreh Deiah 2:59. Likewise Responsa Atvan de'Oraita 24. Similar considerations are to be applied in avoiding therapy that requires therapeutic sexual arousal: see Spero, "Challenges," pp. 59-65.
    41. Lamm, "Homosexuality," p.393. Cf. also David Feldman, in Sh'ma 2, no. 33 (1972): 100-102.
    42. J.M. Tykocinski, Gesher ha-Hayyim 1:25. Cf. also Y. Greenwald, Kol Bo al Avelut (New York, 1965), pp.319-321.
    43. This appears in his Ruah Hayyim, as quoted in Ozar ha-Paskim, Even ha-Ezer 24:1, sec. 2.
    44. Responsa Da'at Kohen 3, as quoted in Ozar ha-Poskim, loc.cit.
    45. Kidushin 81b.
    46. Maimonides, M. T. Hil. Issurei Biah 22:2.
    47. Maggid Mishnah to ibid.
    48. See the comments of the Bet Yosef on the Tur, who quotes Rosh to this effect.
    49. See Tur Evan ha-Ezer 24 (a printer's error in the Tur is noted in the Ozar ha-Poskim, ibid., whereby the word aviv ("his father") should be amended to read zakhor ("a male"), yielding the conventional prohibition of secluding oneself with another male.
    50. Beur ha-Gra to Shulhan Arukh, ibid.
    51. Bayit Hadash to Tur Even ha-Ezer 24.
    52. Yam Shel Shelomoh to Kiddushin 4:23.
    53. Cf. Ozar ha-Poskim quoting Ra'avan, Yosef Omez, and others.
    54. Responsa Ya

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  18. I mentioned Rambam WRT galuth/ge'ula, not mashiyah.

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  19. Yehudha, can you give an exact reference, so we can look up what you are referring to???

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  20. Yehudha,

    Can you please give an exact reference so that we can look up exactly what you are referring to?

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  21. Good comments by Jersey Girl.

    I agree.

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