tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post921822470580080588..comments2024-03-28T02:08:17.990+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Regarding molesters: True Hishtadlus is that which worksDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-62696751204548294932013-05-28T20:24:58.203+03:002013-05-28T20:24:58.203+03:00At this point the only wayto make a dent in this f...At this point the only wayto make a dent in this faulty system is to hurt thier pockets. R.Belsky is the official ou rov. If we unionize and tell the ou that under no circumstances are we going to stand for this, whether its boycotting thier charities run by the ou or boycotting thier hashgacha etc..or getting the media involved.if they sence loss of Revenue this may be a startheshynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-63952447879086511692013-05-28T17:30:47.940+03:002013-05-28T17:30:47.940+03:00How can Jews resort to our system (personnel, proc...How can Jews resort to our system (personnel, procedures,...) to prevent further molestation and get justice for victims of molestation, when our system is in such obvious disrepair? Those who condemn or harass victim families for bypassing our current system should be the first to repair our system instead of lashing out against other people. Where our repaired system exists in golus, its functioning must also be consistent with the applicable details of the secular laws we have to live under.<br /><br />One must question the attitude of any Jewish authority who sees serious defects in our system but makes no attempt at a workable remedy. How can such laxity be consistent with Daas Torah? RAMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-59300250281021583842013-05-28T12:27:40.211+03:002013-05-28T12:27:40.211+03:00Could be. It also would be a good way (irrespecti...Could be. It also would be a good way (irrespective of accuracy) to reconcile a cognitive dissonance between the philosophy of the strong form of daas torah and the facts as seen through earthly eyes.<br />KT<br />Joel RichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-52690885118656479372013-05-28T12:02:10.186+03:002013-05-28T12:02:10.186+03:00Handler has a valid point, which is not answered b...Handler has a valid point, which is not answered by saying we have no choice. A solution may be to train people in the community to do what needs to be done. This is probably unfeasible in the near future but could be something to work towards. Avraham1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-35084862222613256862013-05-28T07:41:56.456+03:002013-05-28T07:41:56.456+03:00I took it to mean that when a Rav is issuing a Psa...I took it to mean that when a Rav is issuing a Psak in a field where HE did his Hishtadlus, he will see Syata dishmaya. For example, A Rav who has Smicha in Yoreh Deah will have Syata dishmaya when Paskening on Hilchos Kashrus. A Rav who has Smicha in Choshen Mishpat will see Syata dishmaya when Paskening Dinei Mamonus. A Rav who has Smicha in Yoreh Deah will NOT see Syata dishmaya when Paskening Dinei Mamonus, since he has done no Hishtadlus in that area, he has no business Paskening. Therefore, neither one of those Rabbonim would have Syata dishmaya when Paskening on criminal activity, since neither one has any business paskening on theseguest post authornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-41092468569894854772013-05-28T05:39:02.859+03:002013-05-28T05:39:02.859+03:00who judges which Rov has Siyata DiShmiyah, maybe m...who judges which Rov has Siyata DiShmiyah, maybe many don't.<br />who decides who is a "godol"; their peers the Kehilla.<br />Is ther are manual?.<br />Pinchos Woolstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13023147468527198152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-32053504995492907682013-05-28T01:57:10.720+03:002013-05-28T01:57:10.720+03:00While the positions of rabbonim and talmidei chach...While the positions of rabbonim and talmidei chachomim in the community are critical to our present and future, we would be irresponsible to allot them roles for which they are not equipped. It is the exceptional Rav that can repair an automobile, and probably even more rare to fix a broken air conditioner. The Rav must be moral and clear enough about his own identity and skills to know his limits. A Rav is not trained through rabbonus, in most situations, to serve as a therapist, counselor, or an evaluator. In fact, many therapists are not trained or qualified to evaluate a child reporting abusive behavior. To make this the purview of the untrained chochom is simply irresponsible and dangerous. And behaving stupidly while hoping for syatta dishmaya is not very smart either. I found Rabbi Handler's ranting irritating. At first, I thought he was sarcastic, and I was only passing off his humor as tolerable, since he might have been having a bad day (argument with his wife, audit by tax authorities, medical issues, etc.) until I realized he was serious. Sorry, but his op-ed was very strange.<br /><br />Syatta dishmaya does not grant the privilege of being irresponsible, then pinning the blame for what goes wrong on HKB"H.Some saichel pleasenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-45084563314820164432013-05-28T00:39:09.094+03:002013-05-28T00:39:09.094+03:00Im not saying that these rabbonim have or dont hav...Im not saying that these rabbonim have or dont have syata dishmaya. But you seem to think they forsure do. Its not a given that a rebbe or rov has syata dishmaya but u seem to think that they do. Please clarifyheshynoreply@blogger.com