tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post9126534260460560277..comments2024-03-28T02:08:17.990+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: More Frum Follies lies and distortions - this time regarding my view of MeiselsDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18046760933268985602014-12-11T05:55:50.029+02:002014-12-11T05:55:50.029+02:00Speak for yourself. I have admiration for RDE, and...Speak for yourself. I have admiration for RDE, and I'm as erlich as the next guy.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-72110528657601498862014-12-11T03:34:05.453+02:002014-12-11T03:34:05.453+02:00Hey Moshe Aron and the various other personalities...Hey Moshe Aron and the various other personalities - how are you? <br /><br /><br />Do you own a mirror?Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18246236963070677892014-12-11T01:52:14.310+02:002014-12-11T01:52:14.310+02:00ANY defence of this predator is unacceptable,
You ...ANY defence of this predator is unacceptable,<br />You go too far, Your behaviour is unbecoming a Rav, from the Rivki ticker to the defence of sexual predators.<br />I have no desire one way or another to see this published, it's enough for you to know the contempt that erliche yidden are starting to hold you inYiddlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-27929150931068763632014-12-10T11:27:23.298+02:002014-12-10T11:27:23.298+02:00If all the info you have is what you read on the b...If all the info you have is what you read on the blogs, that's the reason you only saw it written here (even though I'm sure FF wrote it many times.)<br />Had you called feurst in the summer, he would've told you that openly.LikesToKnownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-20469535968841031062014-12-10T09:21:51.832+02:002014-12-10T09:21:51.832+02:00" At least after that threat passed they rele..." At least after that threat passed they relented and gave back to those parents who wouldn't stand by meekly."<br /><br />You mean to the parents who concocted a false RICO suit (with the help of Fuerst and Gottesman), and went to arkaos shelo k'din, rather than to beis din as the halacha requires.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-47647028138745415602014-12-10T07:08:59.311+02:002014-12-10T07:08:59.311+02:00False!
Shmuel Feurst - the eminent dayan in Chica...False! <br />Shmuel Feurst - the eminent dayan in Chicago made this claim MANY times to many people - myself included. <br />You're free to maintain your opinions but you're not free to reinvent the facts.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-66325067605315321442014-12-10T07:06:58.691+02:002014-12-10T07:06:58.691+02:00And your point is what exactly? This has been hash...And your point is what exactly? This has been hashed and rehashed on this board alone hundreds of times. If you don't want to send your daughter to any of the schools, feel free not to. What else would you like to add to the conversation?Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-47400029992603266322014-12-10T05:35:55.064+02:002014-12-10T05:35:55.064+02:00The only place that I saw anything written about 4...The only place that I saw anything written about 40 girls being raped was on this blog. Please show me anywhere else that has that accusation.<br /><br />Also, I am pleased to have read that the seminaries settled the RICO action and gave back the deposits. Their refusal to do so initially was, in my opinion, their way of making sure that they didn't have a rush of girls dropping out and they held those parents that didn't want to risk thousands of dollars hostage. At least after that threat passed they relented and gave back to those parents who wouldn't stand by meekly.<br /> <br />Has the Touro accreditation actually been restored or is it still outstanding?Ben P.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84269668421469497612014-12-10T03:47:31.402+02:002014-12-10T03:47:31.402+02:00No one, including DT, ever defended Meisel's a...No one, including DT, ever defended Meisel's actions. Nor did anyone say he should have remained in his position. <br /><br />Oh... I'm sorry, the Chicago rabbis allowed him to remain owning the seminaries...ahem! <br /><br />And yes, there is a difference between raping someone and hugging them, even in Halachah. Not in terms of remaining a mechanech, but in terms of determining the extent of the issue and how to deal with it.Ari Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-24260188347258559242014-12-10T02:08:46.678+02:002014-12-10T02:08:46.678+02:00All agree that what Meisels did warranted his dism...All agree that what Meisels did warranted his dismissal. That was never in dispute. So all your rhetoric regarding Meisels himself is besides the point.<br /><br />The question before the BD was whether the staff knew and did nothing. The BD exonerated the staff and declared the schools safe. They also spoke highly of them in terms of their integrity and yiras shomayim. That speaks directly to your final question. <br /><br />Just to make it clear, since you are apparently having difficulty understanding: The combined BD examined the evidence Chicago provided re. the teachers and principals and found it to be insubstantial. In other words, they did not ignore or cover up. As soon as they found out, they acted to remove him from the schools.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-29082566703007435242014-12-10T01:26:41.298+02:002014-12-10T01:26:41.298+02:00Let's not kick around the bush and try to deci...Let's not kick around the bush and try to decipher what an inexcusable hug is or isn't. I have several very pointed questions: 1) Did Meisels flirt with students? 2) If yes, does that warrant his dismissal? 3) Is it true that he only gave a girl an inexcusable hug? 4) If yes, does that warrant his dismissal. 5) Did he take girls out at night on drives? 6) Is that an issur of yichud? 7) If yes, does that warrant his dismissal? 8) Did he do anything more than the previous questions? 9) If other members of the faculty knew about this, was it their responsibility to report it? 10) If they did not report it, why should I still trust them with my daughter?<br /><br /><br />I'm sorry, but even if it was just a hug, I am quite sure that the Daas of the Torah is that it is a horrible sin. How much more so if he did anything more than just a hug. And if any of the faculty knew about and did nothing, then why on earth would I want my daughter to learn from such people?yeshivaguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-30151969062514959262014-12-10T01:03:26.183+02:002014-12-10T01:03:26.183+02:00"No one said that he raped 40 girls."
Y..."No one said that he raped 40 girls."<br /><br />You are either ignorant or dishonest. Or both.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-85523354056761157612014-12-10T00:44:48.468+02:002014-12-10T00:44:48.468+02:00Jblog -Review - you are wrong. Lopin himself state...Jblog -Review - you are wrong. Lopin himself stated in a previous post on his blog that there is no such thing as just a hug in the frum world. and now he is making a whole pilpul to trying to "understand" what I meant. He is clearly distorting my words when he knows the answer to his "questions".<br /><br />As I have noted - it is not clear whether the hug was forced i.e., sexual violence - or mutual - disgusting and sinful but not sexual violence..<br /><br />Regarding the rapes - you are clearly wrong. There was an accusation that 40 girls had been raped. If you don't know what you are talking about - then there is no reason to pretend.Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-36982101455484478892014-12-10T00:22:39.651+02:002014-12-10T00:22:39.651+02:00Lopin didn't distort your words... he interpre...Lopin didn't distort your words... he interpreted your words as they sounded. <br /><br />You chose the term inexcusable hug. The cbd chose sexual violence. The choice of words sends a clear message.<br /><br />You also distorted the initial accusations. No one said that he raped 40 girls. You deliberately distorted that to make your side soar to be the same ones.JBlog Reviewerhttp://thejblogreview.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com