tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post8677403671326363235..comments2024-03-28T21:30:33.665+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Who are the real insiders?Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-42908717888161225452022-05-17T17:37:00.322+03:002022-05-17T17:37:00.322+03:00Not so different from the Communists. In Communis...Not so different from the Communists. In Communist society you had three groups - the great unwashed masses, the majority of the party who worked hard but never went anywhere and the tiny aristocracy at the center where all the privilege was.<br />And so here too - you have the great unwashed masses, the prominent figures who write books or run small yeshivos and then the small circle of Gedolim and their families.<br />Corruption always seems to follow the same pattern.<br />Any comment on the Kanievsky family fight where his will is now being challenged because "he'd been mentally unfit for almost 10 years"?Garnel Ironheartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-78771893746905455082022-05-17T15:15:02.798+03:002022-05-17T15:15:02.798+03:00I was actually thinking about the "grandchild...I was actually thinking about the "grandchildren of gedolim" only last night - <br /><br />If we look at Rav Kanievsky's children/grandchildren, they are from the ancestry of great Rabbinic line: Karelitz; Kanievsky; Elyashiv; Levine - essentially Gedolim and Tzaddikei hador. So far as we know, none of them are major Gedolim.<br />The same in the Kotler family - offspring of Kotler and Meltzer families, but today they are "CEOs" of the yeshiva. <br /><br />Even in Ponovezh, there are several generations of Gedolim eg the Kahaneman fmaily, the Povarsky family , etc, but the Gadol hador is not from any of these families.<br /><br /><br />So they are "insiders" to the aristocracy, but not necessarily transmitters.<br /><br /><br />An even more surprising phenomenon exists in some sephardi communities, especially in the Morrocan world; Although many are now modern/traditional/secularised , they still are grandchildren of rabbis and even great rabbis - and they hold that pride and aristocracy. See the difference between Sephardim andashkenai seculars who don't (all) take pride in their heritage ( Herzog apparently is very proud of his grandfather).Kalonymus HaQatannoreply@blogger.com