tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post8590587470330555856..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Schlesinger Twins: Who is Dr. Michael Schlesinger?Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger242125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-82252183763938715342014-11-20T22:20:18.797+02:002014-11-20T22:20:18.797+02:00@jojo -I would suggest you take some of your own ...@jojo -I would suggest you take some of your own advice. You know absolutely nothing about a case which has been discussed on this blog in great detail - including documentation that the mother is psychologically healthy. Up pops jojo and says "wait a minute" "let be reasonable" - you have come in at the end of the third act and think it is still act one - and think that nobody thought of these elemenatry concerns - but we have - a long time ago. Go through the archives on this topic.Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17110581407727515712014-11-20T19:27:06.233+02:002014-11-20T19:27:06.233+02:00Ya know - this type of situation is always very co...Ya know - this type of situation is always very complicated. It's very difficult to judge a situation like this unless you are very close to it and have first-hand information. One thing is for sure -- mothers are not automatically better parents than fathers! Another thing is for sure - both parents should always put the children first.<br /><br /><br />This couple were living in Austria when they divorced so the default country of the kids is that country. I'm all for the Mom having more time with the kids if she's proven psychologically competent, but I'm also all against slandering the dad. Bottom line is that it's difficult for people to know the truth in these cases, and it's very important not to make assumptions.<br /><br /><br />Some people have personality disorders; others have mood disorders - could be either parent, diagnosed or not. Sometimes people are dishonest in divorce proceedings, sometimes blatantly so.<br /><br /><br />Unless you really do know the facts, it's best you with-hold judgment and not write based on personal emotion.<br /><br /><br />I hope both parents can work together more cooperatively for the sake of these precious children. If the Mom is indeed proved to be psychologically sound, I hope the father can give her more time with the children. On the other hand, people (including the mother) should not be going out of their way to slander the father, either. That's not helpful, and is bad for the kids long-term. There are many subjective issues involved in raising children; people shouldn't jump in on those without hard (real, serious) proof. It's not helpful to have an strongly voiced opinion about something you do not know the facts of well -- acknowledge what one doesn't know, not just what one does.jojonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-53964889309825895962014-03-17T00:00:28.854+02:002014-03-17T00:00:28.854+02:00if you look at the picture of Michael Schlesinger...if you look at the picture of Michael Schlesinger it looks like he is very happy if that were me I would be sad . that he cannot be a little caring to his children but then he came from a totally broken family so knew no different ,he could try for the children sake to let them have a life . and children to have a life need a MOTHER ,who loves her children .Dr Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-41286554068143692052014-03-16T22:45:43.081+02:002014-03-16T22:45:43.081+02:00If I'm neutral, pray tell, how do I defend a p...If I'm neutral, pray tell, how do I defend a position I hardly know anything about? I'm merely pointing out that mud slinging is happening on both sidessarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-5057062780907023972014-03-16T22:43:59.511+02:002014-03-16T22:43:59.511+02:00no James, my son is in their class and he is brigh...no James, my son is in their class and he is bright and articulate and is simply there because it is a familengruppe. get your facts straight!eyewitnessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-25546222794222965112014-03-16T22:36:58.328+02:002014-03-16T22:36:58.328+02:00maybe they are just naturally thin- but I have a s...maybe they are just naturally thin- but I have a son the same age and I saw them under Beth's care and they looked extremely thin to me. too thineyewitnessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-77136469896116346042014-03-16T22:35:31.480+02:002014-03-16T22:35:31.480+02:00my husband davens in same shul - davening in a cha...my husband davens in same shul - davening in a chabad shul does not make one chabad!<br />Tell me the date and tefillah he davened as chazan. My husband says never happened.eyewitnessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-29629261398119481482014-03-16T22:32:33.448+02:002014-03-16T22:32:33.448+02:00no Never!. I have seen them in kindergarten months...no Never!. I have seen them in kindergarten months ago! Wearing Kippot!eyewitnessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-65885793953258943422014-03-15T20:10:09.222+02:002014-03-15T20:10:09.222+02:00Bubbe your denial is rather strange considering wh...Bubbe your denial is rather strange considering what you yourself have written on the subject. Here is documentation of this cancellation of the latest visit<br /><br />http://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/2014/03/schlesinger-twins-documentation-of-dr.htmlDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6686553942609150332014-03-15T20:01:42.397+02:002014-03-15T20:01:42.397+02:00Bubbe simply do a search on this page using the wo...Bubbe simply do a search on this page using the word visit - below is what shows up to answer your question<br />=====================================<br />friedaMarch 14, 2014 at 12:29 PM<br /><br />Maybe Bubbe speaks the truth? Maybe Beth has a problem with the truth or with reality? Otherwise she would have published the papers, and would have proven that it was not her who cancelled the visits. She and her supporters seem to believe they and only they are just. In the blog and in the reality, they are extremely offensive. Have a good shabbes all of you and simches purim. <br /><br />Daas Torah, if you have documented material, then publish it. Do not again repeat the allegations Beth made, simply show the court papers, or those of the visitation centers. You/Beth started with the allegations, so you are the one who has to bring the proof. Don´t just talk and blame everybody who does not support Beth...act.<br /><br />friedaMarch 13, 2014 at 4:22 PM<br /><br />Ali Gee: beth started with the allegations (cancelled visits) so why not prove it? It would not be a problem for her if it is true. And this is the way it usually works.<br /><br />BubbeMarch 13, 2014 at 11:04 AM<br /><br />Steve Cohen, they are NOT being denied their mother. If only the mother would turn up every time for the visits. She claims that the father does not bring them regularly. Do you have any proof for that? Well, I have the proof that he does bring them regularly. If you can proof that it is not so, you win!!<br />Delete<br />BubbeMarch 13, 2014 at 12:59 PM<br /><br />Steve Cohen,<br />you assume that everyone in the world must be a citizien of the British Empire. Well, I am not and I do think that my English, not being my native language, can be understood by all those, who want to understand. It is a chutzpah to tell me I should take English lessons. As I said, were your Hebrew, which is MY native language as good as your English, you could be quite proud of yourself. If my English is your biggest worry, then be it.<br />Delete<br />Steve CohenMarch 13, 2014 at 2:48 PM<br /><br />ok if you are saying the mother doesnt turn up to visits. name a few of them. I dont want to be told about last Sunday. if she cancels then prove it and give us dates.<br />Delete<br />friedaMarch 13, 2014 at 3:34 PM<br /><br />Steve Cohen: let her prove that michael cancelled the visit.<br />Delete<br />BubbeMarch 14, 2014 at 3:04 AM<br /><br />Steve Cohen. I do not have to prove anything. It is as I said. YOU prove that she did NOT cancel. Let Beth show you a letter of the family center, where it says that she contacted them on time in order to fix the visiting date. <br />Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-42524826310104675612014-03-14T18:11:42.946+02:002014-03-14T18:11:42.946+02:00Daas Thora, If I understand well you write that Sc...Daas Thora, If I understand well you write that Schlesinger supporters have denied that Dr. Schlesinger cancelled the visit this Sunday. Please prove that the Schlesinger supporters have written that in this blog. We are taling about THIS NEXT SUNDAY, right?? I am very glad that you have this unique and amazing document of cancellation. It is indeed unique and a very rare document.Bubbenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-63194305524835164572014-03-14T16:07:46.906+02:002014-03-14T16:07:46.906+02:00I did not say Bubbe was a liar - I did say her cla...I did not say Bubbe was a liar - I did say her claims were lies after I saw the documentation - some of which I have already posted.<br /><br />I am giving them the same opportunity to present facts as for Beth's supporters. I give them the same lattitude in criticizing Beth as I give Beth's supporters to criticize Dr. Schlesinger. This has been the only basis that Dr. Schlesinger's supporters have been willing to discuss the issues.<br /><br />If you don't like the guidelines for this discussion - please don't read it.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-19878660657356050132014-03-14T15:00:30.343+02:002014-03-14T15:00:30.343+02:00Jörg - I hate to say it but ..... You would fail a...Jörg - I hate to say it but ..... You would fail an English exam!Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-59222702375826984352014-03-14T14:03:52.211+02:002014-03-14T14:03:52.211+02:00This discussion has descended into mud-slinging. ...This discussion has descended into mud-slinging. Both sides need to get their supporters under control. It is one thing to make legitimate points but another to abuse people online through anonymous comments. Neither side is doing anything positive on this blog to support their cause. <br /><br />Yes there needs to be an amicable resolution of this issue. Yes the Viennese community supports one of their own (as would happen in London if the situation was reversed, mind you). Yes, the Help Beth team have legitimate points about the lack of access and the difficulties the husband is putting in the way of visits. Yes the Austrian legal system is no less corrupt now than it was after Anschluß.<br /><br />But on the other side, the author of this blog castigates the Schlesinger side for not responding. So when they eventually respond (in no less heated / emotional way than does Help Beth supporters), they are personally abused and called liars, including by the author of this blog. Either you give them the fair opportunity to present their position or you don't.<br /><br />The author of this blog has demonstrated immaturity in how he has permitted this discussion to evolve. Shame on him.Truly independentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-24859404851983838802014-03-14T13:45:31.643+02:002014-03-14T13:45:31.643+02:00It is comical that the same anonymous posters who ...It is comical that the same anonymous posters who defend Beth and attack the positions of Dr. Schlesinger and call him all sorts of evil names and attriubute to him all sorts of unproven hearsay allegations, suddenly demand someone who is defending Dr. Schlesinger and pointing out Beth's flaws that he become un-anonymous and call his allegations lies while spewing forth all kinds of unproven undocumented allegations against Dr. Schlesinger and claims in support of the ex-wife.Visitornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-37335377173883553902014-03-14T12:29:21.688+02:002014-03-14T12:29:21.688+02:00Maybe Bubbe speaks the truth? Maybe Beth has a pro...Maybe Bubbe speaks the truth? Maybe Beth has a problem with the truth or with reality? Otherwise she would have published the papers, and would have proven that it was not her who cancelled the visits. She and her supporters seem to believe they and only they are just. In the blog and in the reality, they are extremely offensive. Have a good shabbes all of you and simches purim. friedanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-29665951304638429432014-03-14T12:20:41.026+02:002014-03-14T12:20:41.026+02:00Bubbe obviously has full access to Dr. Schlesinger...Bubbe obviously has full access to Dr. Schlesinger's inner most thoughts as well the documents in this case. She/he clearly has a different understanding of events. In fact she/he sounds amazingly similar to Dr. Schlesinger himself.<br /><br />It is very important to note the incredible fact that through all of this - Dr. Schlesinger has not been given a psychiatric examination. That probably would resolve the issue. Clearly either he or Beth is seriously misunderstanding reality. Beth has already been examined by a professional and declared to be free of mental illness. <br /><br />I think that the final resolution of this matter would come about if Dr. Schlesinger is given a mental health evaluation by a neutral psychiatrist (i.e. has no ties to him or his family or judges who are connected to his family). if he is declared problematic in mental health that would validate Beth's position. On the other hand if he gets a clean bill of mental health - I don't think that Beth would have any further basis for continuing her fight.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-33206678819752136492014-03-14T11:53:35.743+02:002014-03-14T11:53:35.743+02:00Bubbe is writing some very harsh comments which ar...Bubbe is writing some very harsh comments which are now being shown to contain lies.<br /><br />I don't think we can continue until bubbe writes under his/her own name.<br /><br />Why should we allow the ramblings of an anonymous commentator who has problems distinguishing between reality and delusion, either because they are extremely malicious or because of a mental health condition.lets be fairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16324244372399227542014-03-14T11:03:22.065+02:002014-03-14T11:03:22.065+02:00David...didn´t you follow the story or don´t you k...David...didn´t you follow the story or don´t you know the austrian law? The supreme court decided in michaels favour. This was it. The mother and her supporters have to accept it. friedanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-67466700963514358852014-03-14T11:00:48.301+02:002014-03-14T11:00:48.301+02:00Daas Torah, if you have documented material, then ...Daas Torah, if you have documented material, then publish it. Do not again repeat the allegations Beth made, simply show the court papers, or those of the visitation centers. You/Beth started with the allegations, so you are the one who has to bring the proof. Don´t just talk and blame everybody who does not support Beth...act.friedanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-13833098222265417622014-03-14T09:48:29.603+02:002014-03-14T09:48:29.603+02:00Frieda!
Iknow Beth in real life.
I know the kids.
...Frieda!<br />Iknow Beth in real life.<br />I know the kids.<br />And I am affraid to speak of it in my community in Vienna.<br />My community has done an unbearable act of kicking her away from the Jewish community, whilst we know she has decided to stay in Vienna as a lonely poor foreigner judt in order to see her kids.<br />If she wasn't a Yiddishkeit of a mother wouln't she fled a long time ago?<br />I hope she leaves to her supportive community, she is such a tender person. I know her and wish i had the nerves to go against the community here, but my family and friends just prefer to believe the cruel lies that have been LASHON HORA MOMESH sayind she neglected the children and so on. <br />There are more who think the same way. My brother's friend once told me he can believe the horror stories of M. SCHLEZINGER's behaviour, since he witnessed it himself as a fellow student.<br />Beth I love you and wish you all the best. I hope the truth will prevail.Hopefullnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-21707328797318915562014-03-14T07:08:52.247+02:002014-03-14T07:08:52.247+02:00Michael Schlesinger was with me in school, I remem...Michael Schlesinger was with me in school, I remember him having constant fights with others and having rage attacks. It's funny poeple don't publish it. I think that is something to be used in court.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-53350025379583301362014-03-14T03:55:04.373+02:002014-03-14T03:55:04.373+02:00Of course, our discussion is moot, because the cou...Of course, our discussion is moot, because the court made it's judgement. You may accept it or not. But it is final. Better, you should convince Beth to finally aprove the divorce that Dr. Schlesinger and the court offerend. She has refused to do so. So, until the court speaks a scentence with or without her aproval it will take another year or two..Bubbenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-81566081669610986662014-03-14T03:49:20.761+02:002014-03-14T03:49:20.761+02:00Why, but the children were with her then. SHE had ...Why, but the children were with her then. SHE had full custody. Why should she bring them into a mental hospital? Fact is that you do not bring 2 year old children into a ward, or hospital. You DEAL with them, care for them, love them. You may ask for psychologic help, You go to a doctor, you engage an ergotherapist, you go to therapy, BUT you do not deliver little ones into a ward, where they are alone, without father or mother and have to sleep amongst others, whom they do not know. you just don't do that to little kids. It was clear that she couldn't handle them. Or would you deliver your children to a mental ward? It was not a daily matter, but it is an instituation where the children, eat, sleep over night etc. etc. She had full custody then. Why did this ward or hospital call the father? If it was such a harmless institution, who would need the father's aproval??Why did the court take the children away then, if it was the most normal thing to deliver them to that mental ward?? If they had to deal with anxiety because of the father, why would the court give them to exactly THAT father?? Your arguments do not sound very logical. Which documented material do you have?? I do not know about Mr. Schlesinger's accusations, only about mine. I really wonder what documentations you have. Show me the letter of that psychiatric- you call it ward- I call it hospital, where it says they had to deal with anxiety because of their father. THAT I would love to see. If you have documents, you should also have the one of the court psychologist that says all on EIGHTY pages. If Beth provided you with that document, I won't say one word anymore. I am telling you again, that all the doctors, the psychologists, the ergotherapists who have dealt with the children these last years, when they were with Dr. Schlesinger will tell you in what state they were when he got them, skin and bones...and in what state they are now developing wonderfully. They have tried in these years to cure them from the anxiety and fears from dealing with their mother, who exposed them to I don't know how many journalists, who exposed them on the internet WITH pictures. Dr. Schlesinger would NEVER do that. It harms the children. Anyone who has a clue about children will tell you the same. One more thing, ask Beth to show you the letter of the dentist. Dr. Schlesinger brought the children there straight after he got them. Rotten teeth, because they would eat only sweets. Do you have that letter maybe?? If she gave it to you, again, I won't say one more word.Bubbenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-29931207162374269652014-03-14T03:21:41.946+02:002014-03-14T03:21:41.946+02:00Bubbe you make a number of very serious accusation...Bubbe you make a number of very serious accusations. I have documented material which indicates your charges are lies. You obviously are very familiar with Dr. Schlesinger - are these his accusations also? If this is what he believes despite the documentation it indicates that he has serious problems understanding reality.<br /><br /> Please provide documentation for your claims that Beth was violent against Michael and not the reverse. And your claim "I also suggest that Beth shows you the letter of the mental hospital, to which she brought her children, wanting to get rid of them when they were not even two years old." In fact they were brought to a psychiatric ward - but not to get rid of them but rather help them to deal with their fears and anxiety from dealing with their father. It was for therapeutic intervention not for getting rid of them! <br /><br />I just have to ascertain the legality of posting the documents and getting the relevant parts translated from GermanDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.com