tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post8373057123002051071..comments2024-03-28T02:08:17.990+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Weiss-Dodelson: The end is in sight for Gital to receive her GetDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18476420482543328462013-12-01T03:18:28.826+02:002013-12-01T03:18:28.826+02:00Blatant,
You have done me the kindness of quoting ...Blatant,<br />You have done me the kindness of quoting me and my brother extensively but I have yet to recognize anything that I am supposed to have said. I just don't have the energy to chase a person around the block when he just has his own version of how to win an argument.Dovidhttp://torahtimes.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15040421547579344712013-11-30T22:40:42.072+02:002013-11-30T22:40:42.072+02:00SUrely NOT the "End of Story" at all. u ...SUrely NOT the "End of Story" at all. u wrote nothing of substance [תוכן]<br /> just empty words of motsey shem rah!! & bizoi talmedei chachomimemes vishalomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05491792782697272690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16848287362226034742013-11-29T19:32:14.255+02:002013-11-29T19:32:14.255+02:00“WHAT IS HOLDING UP THE GET”.
I formerly respecte...“WHAT IS HOLDING UP THE GET”.<br /><br />I formerly respected the Feinstein clan, but how can they pretend that something other than Avramie Weiss is holding up the get.<br /><br />Is it aliens from space? Is it Angels? The FBI?<br /><br />A get doesn’t hold itself up. The one who has it in his power to deliver the get either (a) delivers the get to the ex-wife or (b) refuses to deliver the get.<br /><br />There’s no postal service employee that has seized the get and “is holding up delivery of the get”.<br /><br />There is no heavy traffic in Manhattan“that is holding up delivery of the get”.<br /><br />There’s no government regulation“that is holding up delivery of the get”.<br /><br />There is no halachic shayla “that is holding up delivery of the get”. is <br /><br />Feinstein Family: Can we stop all the deception here about “what is holding up the get”.<br /><br />Avramie Weiss has the get. He is extorting his ex-wife by refusing to deliver the get unless she complies with his demand for money and better child custody terms.<br /><br />So it is 100% pure deception on the part of the Feinstein Family to pretend there is some question as to “What is holding up the get”.<br /><br />Abraham Meir Weiss, einikle of Reb Reuven Feinstein is personally “holding up the get”. To pretend otherwise is delusional.<br /><br />End of StoryEnd of Storynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90159995936112302922013-11-28T16:04:56.842+02:002013-11-28T16:04:56.842+02:00Section 7:
"However, this support obligation ...Section 7:<br />"However, this support obligation shall terminate if Wife-to-Be refuses to appear upon due notice before the Beth Din of America or in the event that <br />Wife-to-Be fails to abide by the decision or recommendation of the Beth Din of America."<br /><br />For the record, this prenup has absolutely nothing to do with ORA. Again, you seem to be living in some fantasy world...<br />Superintendant Chalmersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-61353716340826249042013-11-28T14:47:36.941+02:002013-11-28T14:47:36.941+02:00@James - "The couple can choose any BD it wis...@James - "The couple can choose any BD it wishes" - Please STOP your ORA lies and propaganda already. The BDA prenup being pushed by the ORA rabbis refers all matters to the feminist BDA (death bin), and allows no selection of Bais Din as you claim.<br /><br />The feminist BDA prenup assumes the man to is always the guilty party if the spouses are living apart, makes no allowance for the man's ability to pay, robs the husband of his halachic right to his wife's earnings, and allows the controlling wife to MOSER her husband in ARCHAOS. <br /><br />This BDA prenup is simply an invented feminist religion completely contrary to Judaism. Any man who signs it is a fool.<br />EmesLeYaacovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-46628108880419521232013-11-28T06:52:07.400+02:002013-11-28T06:52:07.400+02:00In case you are wondering which Rosh Yeshiva in pa...In case you are wondering which Rosh Yeshiva in particular I am talking about? Rav Dovid Feinstein. Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18156266183823499532013-11-28T06:51:23.045+02:002013-11-28T06:51:23.045+02:00Also,
I am not referring to MO men. I am referrin...Also,<br />I am not referring to MO men. I am referring to cases in which the woman (or usually, the woman's family) want a pre-nup and the man asks his Rosh Yeshiva who does not object.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-26154673268083876742013-11-28T06:49:13.439+02:002013-11-28T06:49:13.439+02:00Emes, Calm down. Nobody forces any particular BD....Emes, Calm down. Nobody forces any particular BD. The pre-nup is designed to preselect a BD to handle divorce issues. The couple can choose any BD it wishes. It also formalizes the halachic requirement that the man support his wife while married IF the BD so determines. The idea of preselecting a BD is supported by RDE and the idea of supporting a wife, well, for that we have the Gemara, Ketubah, Rishonim, and Achronim.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57266448217930413812013-11-28T02:59:39.086+02:002013-11-28T02:59:39.086+02:00@Superintend(ent) - "it makes an explicit exc...@Superintend(ent) - "it makes an explicit exception for when the man is not the g(u)ilty party" - You may be fantasizing that you're ORA's propaganda Superintendent, but ORA should fire you. Unlike you, a competent ORA propagandist should at least be able to honestly and correctly cite legal documents (even if he can't cite any HALACHA sources for ORA's policies). <br /><br />Please cite the exact phrase in the feminist YU prenup where the husband is explicitly exempted from paying if he is not the "guilty party". EmesLeYaacovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-80596280983933009092013-11-28T00:36:29.162+02:002013-11-28T00:36:29.162+02:00"It is theft if the wife demands half the pro..."It is theft if the wife demands half the property" <br /><br />It is theft if a man demands alimony or child support, which Avraham Meir Weiss both did....Blatantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-64416975989627422432013-11-28T00:34:55.456+02:002013-11-28T00:34:55.456+02:00"especially by her joking comment that maybe ..."especially by her joking comment that maybe she should live together with a guy for five years before marriage."<br /><br />Well, this is less radical than Dovid Eidensohn's approach who states that no jewish woman who does not want to be chained as an aguna should ever marry.<br /><br />Since she obviously does not want to be chained as an aguna, Dovid Eidensohn, as per his comment on another post, would recommand her not only to live together with a man for five years before marrying him, but that she should live together as long as she wants and never marry him.<br /><br />In fact, I think Dovid Eidensohn shows us the right path to solve the Get extortion crisis.<br /><br />Why does it cause outrage when Gittal says she wants to know her next husband better before marrying him, but no one reacts when dovid Eidensohn favour cohabitation over marriage in order to avoid mamzerim?Blatantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-31906058992469399392013-11-28T00:29:12.963+02:002013-11-28T00:29:12.963+02:00She left the marital home and went on fullfilling ...She left the marital home and went on fullfilling her duties as a mother.<br /><br />Imagine the outcry if she had left and left the baby to the father to care for...Blatantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-66191757994473505582013-11-27T23:38:05.692+02:002013-11-27T23:38:05.692+02:00The husband is not wrong for not wanting to give a...The husband is not wrong for not wanting to give a Get. Just because the wife wants a Get does not mean it is the correct thing for the husband to give one.<br />Columbusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-10938581031746256632013-11-27T23:37:35.262+02:002013-11-27T23:37:35.262+02:00The husband is not wrong for not wanting to give a...The husband is not wrong for not wanting to give a Get. Just because the wife wants a Get does not mean it is the correct thing for the husband to give one.<br />Columbusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91103564243026964172013-11-27T23:09:43.851+02:002013-11-27T23:09:43.851+02:00Wow! Let's forget about everything and ask - D...Wow! Let's forget about everything and ask - Does he have free will or not? Let's ignore whether he gets an appropriate custody arrangement etc etc and ask one question - does he have the free-will to give the get and if he does he should do it. Total nonsense!Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-79450879091079731342013-11-27T22:23:13.018+02:002013-11-27T22:23:13.018+02:00Stop using phony phrases such as the "deliver...Stop using phony phrases such as the "delivery of the get being held up". Avramie's giving the get is solely within the power of Avramie. <br /><br />The get doesn't give itself. Two people don't jointly give it.<br /><br />The question is NOT what is holding up the get. the question is "Why isn't Avramie giving her the get?"<br /><br />Making it seem any way other than Avramie has the get and won't give it, is truly a sign of propaganda.<br /><br />The mugger puts a gun in the face of the victim. "You have the power to hold up the delivery of the bullet into your face". <br /><br />Your own destiny is in your own hands. Pay or die.Avramie Gives the Get Or Doesn'tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14063228628960000382013-11-27T22:14:37.291+02:002013-11-27T22:14:37.291+02:00I am really perturbed by your statements about som...I am really perturbed by your statements about some of the major Poskim in the USA. That list was not of political opportunists or figureheads. There were some major people including someone who Reb Moshe appointed over Gittin V'kiddushin. <br /><br />If the get could have been given without going to the papers, then why wasn't it given? Logic points to the fact that they needed to go to the papers and a long list of Poskim appears to agree. They told her to go the papers. (Maybe they should have said which ones).<br /><br />This is a big deal because a Ben Torah who should have known better did not act like a Ben Torah. The Rabbonim made a clear statement that he was not acting like a Ben Torah by asking him to leave yeshiva and asking those who support him to stop teaching Torah.aznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-32789479826585751782013-11-27T20:57:51.941+02:002013-11-27T20:57:51.941+02:00Is Rav Asher Weiss also a feminist posek?
http://t...Is Rav Asher Weiss also a feminist posek?<br />http://theprenup.org/pdf/Rabbi%20Asher%20Weiss%20Prenup%20Letter.pdf<br /><br />How about Rav Ovadya Yosef?<br />Rav Zalman Nechemia Goldberg?Superintendant Chalmersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8300568360988632792013-11-27T20:32:54.541+02:002013-11-27T20:32:54.541+02:00From the prenup.org -
"1. Each spouse agrees...From the prenup.org - <br />"1. Each spouse agrees to appear before a panel of Jewish law judges (dayanim) arranged by the Beth Din of America, if the other spouse demands it, and to abide by the decision of the Beth Din with respect to the get.<br /><br />2. If the couple separates, the Jewish law obligation of the husband to support his wife is formalized, so that he is obligated to pay $150 per day (indexed to inflation), from the date he receives notice from her of her intention to collect that sum, until the date a Jewish divorce is obtained. This support obligation ends if the wife fails to appear at the Beth Din of America or to abide by a decision of the Beth Din of America."<br /><br />In other words, it makes an explicit exception for when the man is not the gilty party. <br /><br />EmesLeYaakov can continue living in his fantasy world... <br />Superintendant Chalmersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57965177342613764852013-11-27T19:16:14.064+02:002013-11-27T19:16:14.064+02:00when moshiach tzidqeinu maybe the laws will restor...when moshiach tzidqeinu maybe the laws will restored. short of that, ain't gonna happen. Ben Waxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02798895161663664689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-81686840663072618662013-11-27T19:11:21.259+02:002013-11-27T19:11:21.259+02:00@Tal - Your idea may be workable if non-feminist P...@Tal - Your idea may be workable if non-feminist POSKIM accept it, and if it is not written like the YU prenup with blatantly sexist anti-male bias. <br /><br />The feminist YU prenup assumes the man is always the guilty party, so he must pay the wife $150 per day if they separate for any reason such as if the wife throws out her husband with false DV charges, and then lets her boyfriend move in. <br /><br />The YU prenup also takes no account of the husband's actual ability to pay the $150 per day, and robs him of his halachic rights to his wife's income when he is supporting her.EmesLeYaacovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-81784665794103242612013-11-27T18:45:38.810+02:002013-11-27T18:45:38.810+02:00I think what you described is half of the RCA pren...I think what you described is half of the RCA prenup, the other half being the mezonos part.Superintendant Chalmersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-51774438872221876172013-11-27T17:35:17.853+02:002013-11-27T17:35:17.853+02:00@Jay - Yes, it is ORA's MO. Harassing, humilia...@Jay - Yes, it is ORA's MO. Harassing, humiliating, and persecuting innocent persons is the standard methodology of ORA MO (modern Orthodox) feminists. <br /><br />Hershel Schachter's ORA (OH-RAH) feminists are like foaming mad dogs when they hear about a fake "AGUNAH". Any AVEIROS are allowed, and HALACHA is absolutely no obstacle, when rescuing the fake "AGUNOT". <br /><br />Please ask Rav Reuven Feinstein to publicize a letter condemning Hershel Schachter and his ORA goons, and putting them all in CHEREM. EmesLeYaacovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-77227478642819720152013-11-27T17:32:51.240+02:002013-11-27T17:32:51.240+02:00Since we are talking about fixing the system, one ...Since we are talking about fixing the system, one thing that jumps out from this whole sordid story is the utter failure of the beis din system in America. One side files in one beis din, the other side supposedly demands zablah (which is halakhically his right), the beis din ignores it and issues a seiruv, the other side issues a bittul seiruv, one side gets a prominent Rosh Yeshiva to use influence to sway the beis din, etc. etc. What a complete circus.<br /><br />How about this as a pre-nup: couple agrees in advance to go to a particular beis din with respect to anything that relates to the marriage (or a mechanism for picking a beis din, such as an approved list of dayanim, with zabla), and is bound by anything and everything the beis din paskens, including get arrangements and monetary arrangements, all enforceable in the secular courts. (Which they will enforce as binding arbitration, except for child custody. In fact, many commercial contracts today have binding arbitration clauses, and a mechanism for picking arbitrators. And the courts strongly favor this arrangement, and will almost always enforce it, absent fraud or duress.)<br /><br />Any halakhic objections to that? (Seems to me that one, going to a beis din is a chiyyuv deoraysa, and two, if a beis din paskens that a get must be given, then a secular court enforcing that is aseh mah she yisroel omrim lach. But I am no poseik.)Tal Benscharnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-51528573269929780882013-11-27T17:26:47.602+02:002013-11-27T17:26:47.602+02:00@James - "I have seen the growing popularity ...@James - "I have seen the growing popularity of the pre-nup" - That MO men could sing praises about the insane YU pre-nup is just more proof of MO feminism's total subjugation and brainwashing of MO men. <br /><br />No normal, reasonable, decent man would ever consider signing an insane prenup that requires him to pay his wife $150 per day, (collectible in court not Bais Din) whenever she runs off with another man or tosses him out of the house with false DV allegations. <br /><br />Just as intelligent, normal men have fled the false feminist religions of Reform and Conservative, it won't be long before intelligent, normal MO men flee the feminist taskmasters running MO.<br /><br />How much MO feminist kool-aid have you been drinking James?EmesLeYaacovnoreply@blogger.com