tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post8279116299332819119..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: ORA vs. Rav R' Feinstein's grandsonDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-27666546695322606142012-06-29T07:00:40.868+03:002012-06-29T07:00:40.868+03:00A claims that he spoke with R' miller and he c...A claims that he spoke with R' miller and he caled ora treif it his word against yours. Unfortunately, you have already tried to mislead everyone with trying to convince us r' kotler would show up. Why is there no letter outwardly calling for oras support. There is none so far so if you are going to make claims prove it with proof.emesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-2317827138830002592012-06-29T06:55:51.769+03:002012-06-29T06:55:51.769+03:00Don't need to. They never publicly supported o...Don't need to. They never publicly supported ora.emesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-55872247067659096152012-06-28T03:46:18.510+03:002012-06-28T03:46:18.510+03:00What People Outside Lakewood Do not Fully Understa...What People Outside Lakewood Do not Fully Understand is That aside FroM Lakewood Being Named The IHR Hatorah Lakewood has An Abundace OF Gashmius your average Kollel Family Lives in A Brand new 5 bedroom 3 full bath HUD approved Home with Wic and Food Stamps and a rentable Basement with parks trees and grass galore Beaches Kosher Upscale Restaurants Galore shopping malls in Brooklyn you would have to be a Multi MillionAir to live like your average Kollel Yungerman in LakewoodJRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-4262573091599047372012-06-28T03:40:59.925+03:002012-06-28T03:40:59.925+03:00lakewood may be a right wing town when it comes to...lakewood may be a right wing town when it comes to issues like Yoshen and other Chumrus however when it comes to womans rights Lakewood is an extremely Liberal town Possibaly even more so than the Modern Orthodox it is common knowledge for people who are involved in these issues that Lakewood will ALLWAYS and I reapeat ALLWAYS side with the Woman Any woman IN can call the police have their Husband Arrested or get a restraining order against her Husband any time no questions asked The Botei Dinim allways Back the woman This is a fact Known To all Botei Dinim in The Tri State Area And All the Askonim in Lakewood Know ItJRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-82721193193792797172012-06-27T19:12:00.000+03:002012-06-27T19:12:00.000+03:00Rav Malkiel Kotlers Uncle Rabbi Gavriel Finkel hea...Rav Malkiel Kotlers Uncle Rabbi Gavriel Finkel heads the Local Bais Din Vaad Hadayonim here in Lakewood you can find out all you need to know about Rabbi Finkel and his Bais Din by doing a Google search on "Vaad Hadayonim Lakewood" or "Gavriel Finkel Lakewood" good luck on your searchlakewood residentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-181969821215542652012-06-27T04:20:53.959+03:002012-06-27T04:20:53.959+03:00OK, so call R Shmuel.OK, so call R Shmuel.You Cant Handle The Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-21942013432323888812012-06-27T04:20:22.253+03:002012-06-27T04:20:22.253+03:00Reb Daniel, see my comment about who did and didn&...Reb Daniel, see my comment about who did and didn't attend the rally on the post about gestetnerYou Cant Handle The Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-48289174760351378222012-06-27T00:53:17.967+03:002012-06-27T00:53:17.967+03:00This post was sent in by Tzadok BECAUSE the 'J...This post was sent in by Tzadok BECAUSE the 'Jewish Press On Line' took down the page withing 24 hours of it being posted.<br />Did anybody stop and ask WHY?!? Why did the 'JP on line' take it down?<br />And did anybody notice that the Jewish Press Paper has stopped supporting Jeremy Stern and ORA? Ask yourself why this may be. And then call Jeremy Stern at ORA and ask HIM why for years the JP supported his organization and now they have backed away from him and will not publish anything related to him and ORA. call him and ask him - just don't expect the truth from him. If the JP no longer supports him, I don't think we should either!J Sternnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-24729484445139649972012-06-26T00:35:05.893+03:002012-06-26T00:35:05.893+03:00If I were you Chaim I would go beg R Reuvein mechi...If I were you Chaim I would go beg R Reuvein mechillah for causing him unjustified tzar and the huge chillul hashem you took part in. After 120 I dont think your daas torah excuse will go well in the beis din shel mailah. You should have done your research before following blindly. <br /><br />Are you even aware of the countless issurim Jeremy Stern is oiver on a daily basis? Are you aware thet he is a koifer and supports the abuse of children? Did you bother to call reb reuvein or the weiss family?emesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-12400580685008476832012-06-26T00:18:31.087+03:002012-06-26T00:18:31.087+03:00First of all that is not true. Second of all what ...First of all that is not true. Second of all what a foolish thing to say! There have been cases in the gemara where everyone is against one but yet he is right. Before passing judgement do your homework!emesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-296677127235304222012-06-25T16:58:55.211+03:002012-06-25T16:58:55.211+03:00A husband does not have to give up his marriage ev...A husband does not have to give up his marriage even if his wife walks out on him for a very extended period of time. He has the right to insist that the marriage get back together.Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6470067354461491982012-06-25T16:57:57.890+03:002012-06-25T16:57:57.890+03:00There weren't much more than 25 people, if you...There weren't much more than 25 people, if you don't count the cops. Bussed in, no less. They couldn't even find much support locally. So they needed the Kipa Sruga crowd.Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-73064692719931377012012-06-25T13:35:50.190+03:002012-06-25T13:35:50.190+03:00I was in Staten Island yesterday. I doubt "St...I was in Staten Island yesterday. I doubt "Stan" was. We were very peaceful. We stayed for an hour and had about 150 people there. I came to see what these rallies were like. I had no real knowledge of the issue besides the peripheral.<br />As a "right winger', I am very embarrassed to have been at a rally with the YU organization. I don't know how the wife's family, being a respected family, let alone related to the Kotlers, can ally with an organization like ORA, but I felt that Daas Torah allowed it and I wanted to go, so I went.<br />The Weisses are obviously not rich people. The houses on the opposite side of the block look very impressive but the Weisses house, which I understand is not fully theirs, is not exactly special. I also don't think anyone was home or they did a great job of hiding. Maybe "Yaakov Wolfson" was hiding them.<br />We were promised some of the big Roshei Yeshiva there but only got the "B team" - at best. We came in 2 busses and probably had more police there than needed. As I said, we were respectful and peaceful.<br />On the way home, I realized that numbers don't matter. Is 150 people, about 75 from Lakewood, all that agree with the Dodelsons (wife's side)? Does that mean that more people in Lakewood, the "silent majority" all think the husband is right? Working on this line of thinking, I asked myself if it really made a difference how many rabbis are on one side or another. I also realized that no one from the Weisses side ever talk. I like the way we all blame Rabbi Feinstein for the issues, but we simply don't know. No one ever talks. As the saying goes "those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know". People like Stan and others may know part of the story but they truly know nothing.<br />I also went over the letters and realized that the rabbis' signatures are on a paper that never connected Feinstein and Weiss by relation. It was as though they, the other side according to Stan, wanted to hide this fact. I am not sure why they did it this way. Were they trying to hide the fact that the other side has a true gadol or were they showing they disagreed (like Stan wants to think) with his ruling? Unfortunately, ORA were the ones that blew the whole thing up to show the relationship. Perhaps more people would have come if they didn't think this was a fight amongst rabbis and a rally to defend an innocent woman. I simply don't know. <br />I will say that a person who has been separated for so long should realize that their marriage is over and end it. I think the husband can wait until after the civil divorce though. As far as the arkaos and this rabbi and that rabbi, leave me alone. A rav is a rav. All of us living in Lakewood know that. We may not agree with a rav on any specific issue but we know, deep down in our hearts (even Stan's) that they are bigger than we are and their view counts.<br />So, I appreciated going yesterday to see what it was like. I realized numbers don't make a difference. I realized that a rabbi is worth his weight in gold, that fights have 2 sides and the more I think I know the less I really do. "Stan" that last part goes double for you and the other know it alls that are here. Lastly, I doubt I will ever go to another ORA rally in my life. However, if someone wants to protest chilul shabbos - count me in.Chaim from Lakewoodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-39563906526870753442012-06-24T23:17:11.001+03:002012-06-24T23:17:11.001+03:00Stan the man.Someone in Doc. Shanik's office t...Stan the man.Someone in Doc. Shanik's office told me that he was bullied by the Kotlers and lied to toi get him to write a letter saying the child should not be by the father overnight. When he founfd out the true story he retracted his letter and submitted it to the judge in the case.Sam Brownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-56325351227749724072012-06-24T23:13:52.560+03:002012-06-24T23:13:52.560+03:00Stsn the "man"
Interesting that R' W...Stsn the "man"<br />Interesting that R' Wohlhendler was in a coma swhen he wrote and signed a shtar that he would represent Weiss. I was close to him and i spoke to him about hte case. he was ill but perfectly able and willing to work the case.<br />KOTLER IS THE GIRLS COUSIN FOR HEAVENS SAKE!!!<br />Greenblatt did NOT and does not know the deetails. Until this week he did not even know taht the baal had a heter arkoos from R' Wohlhendler.<br />Kaminetzky still has no clue what the details of the case are.<br />They all relied on Kotler.Yaakov Wolfsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15795062134710573122012-06-24T18:21:50.986+03:002012-06-24T18:21:50.986+03:00so these 2 parties never quite made it to a real b...so these 2 parties never quite made it to a real beis din. In the meantime we have a court case in arkaos which both sides claim the other started.<br /> It's very clear that these 2 should go to a beis din but none of us outsiders reading about this on the internet can figure out whose fault it is the they are not in beis din.<br /><br />Now ORA comes in and says "who cares whose fault this is? He has to give a get!". "And we have rabbis who say he's wrong".<br /><br />I and most people on the internet have a great degree of mistrust for documents signed by rabbis. And I don't think someone must give a get before the case has been heard in a bes din. If you want to make a demonstration go to both their houses and chant <b>"stop being meagen yourselves! get your selves to a beis din!"</b>nonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-49754174367821275512012-06-24T10:07:46.045+03:002012-06-24T10:07:46.045+03:00Ora has lied before what is to stop them this time...Ora has lied before what is to stop them this time as well. I don't know the facts of this particular case but like I said before if Ora is involved you can bet there is much more to the story then what they are saying!Emesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-74303849624518701982012-06-24T09:57:19.047+03:002012-06-24T09:57:19.047+03:00First of all why dont you have a little bit of kav...First of all why dont you have a little bit of kavod hatorah their names are RAV kotler and RAV schustal.<br /><br />I am simply pointing out the problems with associating with ORA.<br /><br />I wonder if the rabbanim are aware that:<br /><br />Jeremy STern has gone on fox news and stated " the Jewish community certainly has started to discuss whether a rabbi should be able to officiate a divorce without one party's permission -- but said the community "is not at a point right now where they're willing to fundamentally change how Jewish marriage and divorce works." Jeremy Stern is an Apikoris!!!<br /><br />ORA is the erev rav of our generation and cause people to sin. Case in point last year they ran a fundraiser in a Manhattan bar (that serves cheeseburgers) for Young jewish professionals. Unlimited beer and mixed drinks. Still waiting for R' shachter to say that it assur for young single men and women to get drunk in a treif manhattan bar. I guess he holds its muttar since ORA has on it letterhead that it runs under the guidance of R' Shachter!<br /><br />At a recent demonstration there were men and women mixed together singing together while some of the girls were half naked. Kol Isha and tznius is not an issue either I guess.<br /><br />Ora has proven who they are already. On this blog there have been numerous articles about the misinformation, lies and perversion of halachah that they have spewed forth in other cases. They advocate the use of children as a tool to get what they want. (that child abuse)!<br /><br />Any woman who gets them involved with their divorce runs the risk of becoming a real agunah or receiving a get that could be pasul, resulting in questionable mamzeirus of any future children she will have. <br /><br />Any person who joins them in shaming or spreading the lies they spew forth will one day have to give din vcheshbon.Emesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-79031656504976091972012-06-24T09:39:15.273+03:002012-06-24T09:39:15.273+03:00Please report back if this happensPlease report back if this happensDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-46717992066453894032012-06-24T08:20:00.640+03:002012-06-24T08:20:00.640+03:00to shevy- "major rosh yeshiva and posek"...to shevy- "major rosh yeshiva and posek"-besides for being his grandfather and posul for nogea b'davar even his talmidim dont say hes a posek<br />"weiss have taken the highroad" 1)witholding a get 2)extorting money and custody 3) going to arkaos 4) lying to the gedolim again and again- which highroad?<br />"mudslinging"- i"ve yet to hear anything but the truth from ORA and others<br />"YESHIVA UNIVRSITY"- isnt feinstein close with willig and shechter<br />"we all know who can be swayed to one side"- lets see- beis din machon lhorah, kaminetsky, greenblatt, wachtfogel, shechter, shechter, willig and all the others whove given support- so only you and feinstein (weiss' grandfather) cannot be swayed from the truth.<br />"massive chillul hashem"- so going to arkaos is a kiddush hashem?- the gedolim have endorsed this rally so they feel its not a chilul hashem-<br />"bizayon talmid chacham"- who to weiss? whoever said hes a talmid chochom-as long as he continues what hes doing hes just a plain old rashsastan the mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6952948721610457162012-06-24T08:08:17.659+03:002012-06-24T08:08:17.659+03:00okay so its gestetner against beis din mchon lhora...okay so its gestetner against beis din mchon lhorah, YU, kotler wachtfogel, greenblatt, i asked r shlomo miller about him and he told me he said that he is a rasha and not a dayan--I CALLED GESTETNER ON THE PHONE AND TOLD HIM MY WIFE HAS CUSTODY AND HE TOLD ME TO GO TO COURT HE OFFERED TO SEND ME A LETTER WITHOUT SPEAKING TO THE OTHER SIDE<br />the 2nd guy they chose was gestetner the first was in a coma (and is now dead)stan the mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-3427032892301974692012-06-24T06:34:49.102+03:002012-06-24T06:34:49.102+03:00"stan the man" thanks for inventing many..."stan the man" thanks for inventing many facts.<br /><br />" after 9 months of hazmanos and birrurim they issued a siruv against him. details are very clear husbnand wanted to go to a "zavla" and the guy he chose was in a coma."<br /><br />interesting, he offered 2 guys. were they both in a coma?<br /><br />"he went to gestetner. no bais din in america (and in israel they said his gittin are invalid) recognizes gestetner as being valid. beis din told her she should not go."<br />interesting lie. even rav gestetner's big enemies in Livingstone street recognize him as personally know someone who told Livingstone street that he was willing to go rav Gestetner and they backed off.<br /><br />Please show me exactly where it states in Shulchan Oruch or the rema that a Bais Din is only valid when it is recognized by the tzioni rabbanut that has has amongst it heads notorious people like Shlomo Goren? Somehow I don't think this is a criterion. What is a criterion is a scrupulous adherence to halochoh unvarnished by feminism or big bucks. Please, if rav Gestetner is so corrupt, provide us with a real case where he broke halochoh and someone like rav elyashiv came out against him refuting what he did. you can't.<br />"weiss family heaps lie upon lie, trying to mislead all the gedolim. but as always truth pervails". word is prevails.<br /><br />How is it that in other cases when peop;le are in arko'oys neither r elya ber and r malkiel care and I know this first hand? <br />if you think the truth always prevails, wake up. history is written by the victor.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-66029095745045751212012-06-24T06:18:23.940+03:002012-06-24T06:18:23.940+03:00Nobody will accept facts from my comments here, so...Nobody will accept facts from my comments here, so I'll skip those. First let me give credit to the posters (u know who you are) for their novel concoction of the facts of the case. <br />I think what we will agree to is that Weiss has a major rosh yeshiva and posek who is intimately familiar with the case and backs him 100%. Secondly, even the fact-changers here I think would agree that the Weisses have taken the high road here. The mudslinging coming from the wife's side is just disgusting. Look here and see how an upstanding lakewood family from go to YESHIVA UNIVERSITY of all places to find a group of thugs to make a public demonstration and a Chillul Hashem Brabim to promote their agenda. <br />The fact that the case has been dragging on this long requires the participation of the dodalson's as well. To sink to this low, and call Gital a agunah is absolutely an embarrassment to their lineage. <br />Before we get involved in attacking the rabbanim on either side, we all must remember that this is not our place. Korach was a great man as well. And look what happened to him. It is not for the public here to attack and belittle the rabbanim, who we all know can be swayed to one side when only presented with half the details (conveniently).<br />To attend the proposed rally on sunday, would be to take a part in a massive Chillul Hashem, a massive Bizayon Talmid Chacham, and a great source of anguish to one of the major gedolim of America.Shevyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15598211786260048043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-85893767140472348292012-06-24T04:59:59.871+03:002012-06-24T04:59:59.871+03:00what I am saying michael gtzadok is that you have ...what I am saying michael gtzadok is that you have no proof that this bais din is corrupt and are oyver moytzi shaym ra, that is what I am saying. Show me a single infringement of halochoh not some political remarks from the workers of the ztionishe medinah. <br /><br />how do you know that the other bais din is not corrupt? i am not seeing it is and i am not saying it isn't at this point.<br /><br />as to "aym" who says that she should have custody? her bank account? how do you know she is a fit mother?stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-24540923044849809572012-06-23T21:27:22.643+03:002012-06-23T21:27:22.643+03:00So what you are saying is that, after he got a haz...So what you are saying is that, after he got a hazmanah from a valid Beit Din, that he ran to a Beit Din so notoriously corrupt that the Chief Rabbinate has stated that it will cease to recognize any Dayyan that sits with them. That this notoriously corrupt and unrecognized Beit Din supposedly mavateled a seruv from a recognized Chareidi Beit Din and gave the man a (fake) heter to go to court against the wife he abandoned. <br /><br />We're all supposed to be OK with that?Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttp://mekubal.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com