tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post8224806478360289926..comments2024-03-29T09:34:59.827+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Schlesinger Twins: Community President Oskar Deutsch's failure to help BethDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84161365534307010922014-08-25T14:27:37.242+03:002014-08-25T14:27:37.242+03:00I agree James Clifford. The reputation of the Je...I agree James Clifford. The reputation of the Jewish Community in Vienna including Rabbi's Eisenberg, Pardes and especially Chabad Vienna Rabbi Biderman is in tatters. Instead of ignoring and hurting Beth, ignoring the obvious plight of Sammy & Benji and adding to their suffering why don't Mr. Duetsch and the his colleagues tackle at least Konstanza Thau and Rabbi Biderman (who has brought disgrace on Chabad worldwide). Are they men or mice? <br /><br /><br />Michael Schlessinger has by his continuing abuse of Beth and his sons, his spreading lies about Beth, and getting her so called friend to spread lies about her; his abuse of his position as a medical professional destroyed his own reputation and the reputation of the Schlessinger family. Will somebody in Vienna please stand up for Beth and her sons.Emunahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-56426050829416462842014-08-24T23:04:00.418+03:002014-08-24T23:04:00.418+03:00Mr Deutsch, we have read that the unjustified remo...Mr Deutsch, we have read that the unjustified removal of the Schlesinger twins from a more than "good enough mother" (the term coined by Bruno Bettelheim) by a Vienna family court judge is alleged to have involved the (illegal) intervention of a another judge who is a converted member of your community. We have also been informed that this evidence has been substantiated by the mother. <br /><br />I would expect you might feel embarrassment at having such a member in your community. After all, the IKG is greatly desirous of acceptance in Austrian society, isn't it? And reprehensible acts such as this woman judge's would conceivably lead to increased anti-semitism - hardly a goal of the Vienna community. <br /><br />My suggestion to you in your current situation would be - instead of failing to understand the needs of a mother who was forced to watch her entire savings vanish into the father's bank account (see this blog several months ago) - to get this judge who has brought shame on the IKG to discuss with you exactly how she can now rectify the situation. If she was powerful enough to bring about a reversal of the custody situation so that these innocent children have ended up as prisoners of Chabad and a father who appears to have a severe personality disorder, as well as being a proven liar, then I am convinced that you, as the leader of the IKG, are also capable of convincing this woman to use her clout to get those children back to where they would have better chances in life, ie to their mother.James Cliffordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57936013742686548872014-08-22T17:43:31.565+03:002014-08-22T17:43:31.565+03:00If Mr. Deutsch is the Leader of the Jewish Communi...If Mr. Deutsch is the Leader of the Jewish Community in Vienna, he should lead by way of example. Beth has not committed any crime. She has had her children taken away for no good reason. This is why the British Parliament have become involved in the case.<br />Mr. Deutsch needs to be impressing upon his community in Vienna that they should be civil, warm and caring towards Beth and the boys instead of allowing Sammy and Benji to brought up in a community of absolute hatred, which seems to be what the father is instilling!<br /> <br />This case can show the Jewish Community of Vienna in a good light, or otherwise. It is for Mr. Deutsch to show some compassion and be seen to <br />actually be helping. This could be the make or break of Vienna in the eyes of World Jewry!Worriednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-78922651371729175962014-08-22T13:25:17.261+03:002014-08-22T13:25:17.261+03:00Why have so many people in the Vienna Community ac...Why have so many people in the Vienna Community acted the way they have, ie pro the father and against the mother, as primary carer, and her sons? The British MPs have described the various aspects of the situation eloquently and asked the right questions. From what we've read on this blog and on www.helpbeth.org, it seems as if Beth is able to provide substantiation of the many decidedly odd and therefore questionable aspects of the case. Why did the president of the IKG not keep his promise to call Beth back? Why did the High Court woman judge from the community intervene? Is that usual in Austria? Is it a specialty of hers? Why did the Chabad rabbi who is legally responsible for the kindergarten the boys attend give evidence to the court which was not based on his own personal experience? Why did the father lie to the police that he was a psychiatrist? Why did he produce a well-known Misrachi member who is a psychiatrist at the hospital where the father himself has been employed - to tell the police another lie? Why does the judge believe so strongly that Beth is going to spirit her boys away to England when Hague Convention forbids this? <br />There are many unanswered questions in this tragedy. And plenty of substantiated evidence to back up the mother's claims of irregularity. I trust she will continue to hold her head high when she attends Schul.<br /><br />G-d knows that she is a good, intelligent, caring mother who will fight for her children until justice is done. Presumably he also knows about those whose main interest may possibly not be justice.Vacation mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-5976766044813443672014-08-22T01:56:04.968+03:002014-08-22T01:56:04.968+03:00Konstanze Thau's involvement in the Schlesinge...Konstanze Thau's involvement in the Schlesinger twins' case was even raised in the Houses of Parliament as evidence of 'corruption and conspiracy' <br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwnLD64VpgoBrucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70330966018200694642014-08-22T00:45:59.789+03:002014-08-22T00:45:59.789+03:00Mr Deutsch you went thousands of miles to comfort ...Mr Deutsch you went thousands of miles to comfort soldiers who are giving their lives to defend us. Why can't you show some compassion in this case. Threatening legal action is not going to help this situation or your reputation. <br />You will destroy both!Richard Harrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-89350324364562151532014-08-22T00:12:50.703+03:002014-08-22T00:12:50.703+03:00Dear Mr Deutsch
Your response is most appreciated
...Dear Mr Deutsch<br />Your response is most appreciated<br />As far as your comment the judgement has to be respected has been disputed by heads, rabbis and other people from Jewish communities elsewhere who are making it their business to try and get involved on behalf of these little boys. Obviously it is your personal choice to handle matters the way you deem fit. However as you are doing now with Israel, if people feel passionate about something, they will cross the world to demonstrate their support. An Austrian High Court judgement will not convince them otherwise<br />Kind Regards<br />Ev Meyerev meyernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-28673959774498487642014-08-22T00:12:13.341+03:002014-08-22T00:12:13.341+03:00Also posted in the other post
Dear All,
Rabbanim...Also posted in the other post<br />Dear All,<br /><br /><br />Rabbanim, Board members and Presidents of a Jewish Community can become active in Family matters, divorce-preceedings, child-custody etc. of members only if both parties are ready to settle their differences in a Jewish way with a Beth-Din or Borerut.<br />This was unfortunately not the case in the divorce and custody-fight of the parents of the Schlesinger twins.<br />The highest Austrian court made a final judgement on the case. Every person involved or not can have his personal opinion whether the judgement was fair or unfair, however the judgement has to be respected, Dina de Malchuta Dina.<br /><br /><br />I have to refuse in the strongest way possible any accusations against representatives of the Austrian Jewish Community as a whole. I do not hope that I will have to pass over such accusations and attacks to our lawyers, however continous Lashon-hara I am not ready to accept.<br /><br /><br />Oskar Deutsch<br />President<br /><br />Von meinem iPad gesendetev meyernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14087036370287156852014-08-21T23:43:00.536+03:002014-08-21T23:43:00.536+03:00Mr Deutsch's response to Ev says he cares. Let...Mr Deutsch's response to Ev says he cares. Let him show that he really does.<br /><br /> For the Head of The Jewish Community in Vienna to sit and do nothing, hoping the problem will simply go away, is not an option! <br /><br />As we see what happens all around the world when tensions rise, there are explosions. Tensions are definitely rising this case, because no one will tolerate what is happening to Beth and her sons!Richard Harrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-83502869357567417922014-08-21T15:38:43.850+03:002014-08-21T15:38:43.850+03:00Dear Mr Deutsch
I am not sure if you have seen the...Dear Mr Deutsch<br />I am not sure if you have seen the follow up to your reply. Please take the time to read it since this site has gone global and so has your position and personal reputation. I will be more than happy to post any further responses you may have. The wider community seemed disatissfied with your last response. Please read new comments under Beths letter and if interested please check out the website daas torah and you can refer to many articles posted on this case , and the resulting international communities involvement. We are not going away. The general consensus has been a warning to Jewish women not to marry men from the Austrian Jewish community. As the head of this community,please prove us otherwise so that your people will be once again integrated into the Jewish global community<br />Kind Regards<br />Ev Meyerev meyernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43450694732408717752014-08-20T17:15:03.218+03:002014-08-20T17:15:03.218+03:00Rabbi Biderman and Judge Thau are doubtless thrill...Rabbi Biderman and Judge Thau are doubtless thrilled to see that the current targets of the flac are Oskar Deutsch and the twins' sick father Michael Schlesinger. We haven't forgotten the rest of you, however. The world is watching what's happening to the Schlesinger boys. <br /><br />A leader (Oskar Deutsch) who apparently condones domestic violence and sociopathic behaviour and does NOTHING to excommunicate a man who has brought disgrace to the Vienna IKG is equally worthless. What is the function of a leader of a religious and/or a secular community? To unite the insiders against - in this case - 3 new members (Beth, Sammy & Benji)? To support a member (Dr S) whose vile behavior, in collusion with that of other members, has made the Vienna IKG synonymous all over the Jewish world with corruption and disregard for the lives of children? <br /><br />It is hypocritical to pay homage to soldiers who have undoubtedly saved the lives of many men, women and children and simultaneously to encourage the scheming of certain individuals in the Vienna community to destroy the lives of children in that selfsame community through remaining silent.<br /><br />Most decent human beings would regard this as cowardice (as someone else has already mentioned) and appallingly weak leadership. Herr Deutsch: have you even talked at length to Rabbi Biderman with the aim of sorting out Sammy and Benji's lives? The rabbi must have a great deal to say because the boys are in his nursery school!Noahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-92033254141264097342014-08-20T14:42:23.247+03:002014-08-20T14:42:23.247+03:00"We thank you for the support, but Israel is ..."We thank you for the support, but Israel is protecting us. We are more concerned about the Jews in the EU when we see the anti-Semitism in Europe" Rabbi Levi (67) told Oskar Deutsch and his delegation. (Heute newspaper 14th August). Oskar Deutsch, why do you occupy yourself with missions that do not concern you, where your efforts are not even needed? All that time, money and effort going to Israel where your assistance was not asked for or even required while the Schlesinger case is crying out for your time and attention.supportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-3687087473727469192014-08-20T06:56:16.493+03:002014-08-20T06:56:16.493+03:00Michael...I am sorry to get involved in your perso...Michael...I am sorry to get involved in your personal life and judge you since I dont know you and this must feel like a grande international personal vendetta, however as a woman and a Mother I feel compelled to do things in order to encourage you to allow these little boys to be with their Mum. As I have said before, mental illness (not that I am suggesting Beth has or does not have one) is NO REASON for kids to be kept from their Mum. Apparently in Australia 1 in 4 people experience mental illness in their lifetime meaning there would be a lot of dispossessed kids if played out like in Austria. Grow up Michael...be a MAN for your kids, swallow your pride, and show us all what a compassionate, selfless, thoughtful DAD you really are. This is not about winning, losing, revenge....its about the kids. It is clear how hurt you feel by actions taken against you but if you are not prepared to back yourself up publicly either directly on a forum or by your actions, then you must understand that the wider international community will hold opinions based upon what they read. Please prove us wrong so that we can all spend this time (including you) hanging with our own kids as parents need to doev meyernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-60156218550731670362014-08-20T06:55:56.406+03:002014-08-20T06:55:56.406+03:00a brilliantly articulated critique of Oskar Deutsc...a brilliantly articulated critique of Oskar Deutsch's moral cowardice in not organizing all available communal resources to help the twins have a healthy and normal relationship with their mother.The Anti-Torah Chareidimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-87783118282424070172014-08-20T06:49:47.507+03:002014-08-20T06:49:47.507+03:00OK guys....time to get proactive. Instead of posti...OK guys....time to get proactive. Instead of posting all of your opinions on this forum send them directly to Mr Deutsch. Im not sure he reads this forum but I know personally that he checks his email. These boys evidently need their Mum....everyday is a day lost and more damage done....get active...it only takes a moment : o.deutsch@ikg-wien.at Also if someone feels to put together a petition go ahead....ev meyernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-2366474711357356072014-08-20T05:53:50.922+03:002014-08-20T05:53:50.922+03:00Here we have somebody from Australia making the ri...Here we have somebody from Australia making the ridiculous suggestion that the people who have done nothing should do something. Obviously, that person comes from an upside down world. I once read that people in Australia have their feet facing our feet and their heads go in the wrong direction. Obviously, this is proof of that!Dovid Eidensohnhttp://torahtimes.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14047743594716705952014-08-20T04:04:31.892+03:002014-08-20T04:04:31.892+03:00Lets hope that Mr. Deautsch feels it was an oversi...Lets hope that Mr. Deautsch feels it was an oversight. He may have planned to speak to both parents many times, and something came up. Who knows? However, now he is clearly aware of what is transpiring and what he can do to help. I hope that he will invest much effort in bringing a just and proper resolution to the suffering of these two precious boys (and by extension, their mother). <br /><br /><br />Mr. Deautsch, the world is looking for your strong leadership qualities to shine in this case.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-88223261107294671462014-08-20T01:52:36.780+03:002014-08-20T01:52:36.780+03:00perhaps Mr Deutsch you can provide a list of the d...perhaps Mr Deutsch you can provide a list of the dates you spoke to both sides ´many times´ with details of your suggestions and the discussions that were supposed to have taken place?moralitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-40731128872153165962014-08-20T01:17:14.037+03:002014-08-20T01:17:14.037+03:00Oskar, are you prepared to accept an injustice has...Oskar, are you prepared to accept an injustice has taken place against the twins and their mother? Maybe that is a starting point!<br /><br />You were quick to shout about the injustice here:<br /><br />http://www.jta.org/2012/12/04/news-opinion/world/lauder-accused-of-trying-to-buy-jewish-election-in-vienna<br /><br /><br /><br />Are we seeing Austrian double-standards at play? Every community deserves its leader. The whole world is looking at an inherently corrupt Jewish community headed by a corrupt and morally bankrupt leader in Deutch. Oskar, are you proud at what you have achieved on behalf of Vienna Jewry?Montynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34730362864878774992014-08-20T00:41:37.692+03:002014-08-20T00:41:37.692+03:00Dear Mr Deutsch,
Please don't add salt to our...Dear Mr Deutsch,<br /><br />Please don't add salt to our wound. To claim you have 'spoken many times to me' is pure fiction and extremely insulting. Enough untruths have been spread around the Jewish community by Mr Schlesinger and his family without more being added by the people that are supposed to be 'neutral mediators.' <br /><br />Your response to my supporter is extremely disappointing to say the least. Here we have such a caring, compassionate Jew on the other side of the world who doesn't even know me, taking the trouble to contact you about members of your own community because she truly cares and you cannot even form a truthful response, never mind turn to help? <br /><br />This only confirms everything people around the world are hearing and seeing about the IKG - you have let us down unforgivably.<br /><br />When will you begin to care? I just hope your own children and grandchildren will never have to suffer like we have in your midst. You remain blind and deaf to our pain.<br /> <br />Beth AlexanderBethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-9776786686517346412014-08-19T23:12:56.218+03:002014-08-19T23:12:56.218+03:00Here is a copy of my letter and Oskars prompt resp...Here is a copy of my letter and Oskars prompt response<br /><br />PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THE COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD COMMUNITY HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT YOU. I WOULD APPRECIATE A RESPONSE AS TO YOUR LACK OF INVOLVEMENT IN THIS CASE OTHERWISE I WILL CONTINUE TO SPREAD THIS INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET. THESE COMMENTS WERE COPY AND PASTED FROM DAAS TORAH WEBSITE WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE CREATOR OF THE SITE.<br /><br />KIND REGARDS<br /><br />EV MEYER<br /><br />concerned Australian well connected Jew<br /><br />Deutsch Oskar12:07 AM (6 hours ago)<br /><br />to Deutsch, me<br /><br />Dear All,<br /><br />I have spoken many times to both . Unfortunately not achiving the desired results. A claim I would not care is simply wrong.<br /><br />Best Regards<br /><br />Oskar Deutsch<br /><br />Von meinem iPhone gesendetev meyernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8396904567531796742014-08-19T21:44:51.099+03:002014-08-19T21:44:51.099+03:00What sort of pressure is it going to take for Oska...What sort of pressure is it going to take for Oskar Deutsch to do the right thing?Noahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-87699929493778118112014-08-19T20:20:41.092+03:002014-08-19T20:20:41.092+03:00Well done Ev!
Lets hope there won't be any ne...Well done Ev!<br /><br />Lets hope there won't be any need for either a petition. ( Beth does have many thousands of supporters), or the need to inundate him with emails and other sorts of communication. <br /><br />All it will need for Oscar Deutsch to use some humility and humanity and help Beth and her sons!Richard Harrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-37377209641829853122014-08-19T19:48:28.753+03:002014-08-19T19:48:28.753+03:00Well done, Ev! Well done, Ev! James Cliffordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17568960625359234282014-08-19T16:12:36.212+03:002014-08-19T16:12:36.212+03:00DONE !!!DONE !!!ev meyernoreply@blogger.com