tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post7485383817087766728..comments2024-03-29T09:34:59.827+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Schlesinger Twins: Manchester Beis Din supports Beth's campaignDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-40324022921151979212014-03-11T12:22:07.452+02:002014-03-11T12:22:07.452+02:00wait, I am raising suspicions that what? that I sn...wait, I am raising suspicions that what? that I snuck in on a school trip and took the picture? that I stole the pic? that I bribed someone for the picture? what suspicions exactly are raised by a picture of a child on a trip?<br />when and who took the picture is irrelevant. <br />why did I send it to Beth? Simple, Beth called me a while ago and asked if I have any info or any pics about her kids because my son is in the same class. When I saw pics of all the kids in the class, I figured I'd send Beth a pic of her son. I thought she'd be happy to see her little one on a class trip. I thought she'd be appreciative that I thought of her and took the time to send the pic. Little did I know how Beth would react, splashing the picture and bashing chabad. is it any wonder I hesitate to give any information for fear of everything I do being twisted?libanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-85588881555592372502014-03-09T01:10:47.220+02:002014-03-09T01:10:47.220+02:00and what vile attacks? asking for proof is a vile ...and what vile attacks? asking for proof is a vile attack?edithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-68786751086574768682014-03-09T01:10:12.235+02:002014-03-09T01:10:12.235+02:00true chossid,
do you not know any of the facts on...true chossid, <br />do you not know any of the facts on this case?<br />liba wrote that pic was taken during class trip and non Jewish teacher held on to kippos of kids. <br />drop in unannounced at teh school and take a pic of the schlesinger kids - youll see they wear a kippa, okay?<br />The school is forbidden by law to be in contact with any person other than the parent with custody. Dont you think the teachers would like to speak to the mom? They are forbidden!edithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-11320037707641514962014-03-08T18:20:20.545+02:002014-03-08T18:20:20.545+02:00Dr Schlesinger is not taking advantage of the oppo...Dr Schlesinger is not taking advantage of the opportunities he's being given to present his side of the story. What does this mean? Scared peoplenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-51163440906965192942014-03-07T18:09:29.155+02:002014-03-07T18:09:29.155+02:00Edith,
"drop in unannounced at the school an...Edith,<br /><br />"drop in unannounced at the school and take a pic of any random kid."<br /><br />That's precisely the issue. Why are these children not wearing Kippot? You've done a lot of attacking the mother, but very little explaining.<br /><br />"simple. call the school"<br /><br />That is also precisely the question. Why is the school not providing the mother with information? <br /><br />You have failed to justify your vile attacks.True Chosidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43428506843876119842014-03-07T02:56:49.560+02:002014-03-07T02:56:49.560+02:00Beth is right because there is no good reason give...Beth is right because there is no good reason given why the boys were taken away from her. It was the father who was given supervised visits, not Beth!<br />The father has used influence or something else to get the judge to suddenly give him custody. Why was that Michael Schlesinger? Leah Isaacsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-33676013516695055022014-03-07T01:53:01.760+02:002014-03-07T01:53:01.760+02:00Liba, it is good to hear from you again. Please ca...Liba, it is good to hear from you again. Please can you help us with the following really simply, basic questions about the picture of one of the twins at the play center:<br /><br />When was the picture taken?<br />Who took the picture?<br />Who gave it to you?<br />Why did you send it to Beth?<br /><br />It would be helpful if you could address these questions so that we can move this debate forward. By being silent, you are raising a lot of suspicion about what is going on over there.<br />We want answersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-36259150819831014562014-03-07T01:20:23.232+02:002014-03-07T01:20:23.232+02:00Edith - surely you've worked out in your (long...Edith - surely you've worked out in your (long? short?) life that there are people you can trust and people you can't....? Beth and her family are the ones a 'normal', well-balanced person believes, the father is not. We don't need to meet him as we can tell from his behavior that he is unlikely to be a trustworthy person. Do you care about Sammy and Benji at all? I don't think so. I get the feeling you just like the 'sound' of your own voice.Never!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16133887904521689262014-03-07T01:11:40.298+02:002014-03-07T01:11:40.298+02:00"actually I am not close to the Schlesinger f..."actually I am not close to the Schlesinger family. I dont even know them." - do me a favor. You are not fooling anyone!Kiddingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-76422126520778641822014-03-07T01:10:37.669+02:002014-03-07T01:10:37.669+02:00EDITH, WRITE YOUR OWN STATEMENT, SET UP YOUR OWN B...EDITH, WRITE YOUR OWN STATEMENT, SET UP YOUR OWN BLOG, CREATE YOUR OWN FACEBOOK PRESENCE!!!!Doh!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-7247279567016850592014-03-06T23:51:44.117+02:002014-03-06T23:51:44.117+02:00never, no, beth's supporters are most certainl...never, no, beth's supporters are most certainly not arguing logically. Proof is that Beth wrote it? that's proof? <br />im impartial and I see a lack of information. Why is beth right? because she has better pr? more fb presence?edithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-28673553714480724612014-03-06T23:49:11.131+02:002014-03-06T23:49:11.131+02:00please refer to what liba wrote. she gave beth thi...please refer to what liba wrote. she gave beth this picture and it was taken during a school trip to a playground. go back to that post and comment and read it.<br /><br />simple. call the school - or call anyone in vienna - ask them to drop in unannounced at the school and take a pic of any random kid. theyll have a kippa. I know cuz Ive been thereedithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-67056505792233894222014-03-06T23:46:31.613+02:002014-03-06T23:46:31.613+02:00actually I am not close to the Schlesinger family....actually I am not close to the Schlesinger family. I dont even know them. <br /><br />It just sounds like there's more to this story and there's always her truth, his truth and then the truth. Obviously we can't know that unless we see documents, thats all.<br />I want Beth to have her children. Let's make sure its entirely in their interestedithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-58506131864541238182014-03-06T20:47:18.323+02:002014-03-06T20:47:18.323+02:00edith,
Her points about the Kippas are very relev...edith,<br /><br />Her points about the Kippas are very relevant. <br /><br />1. Why are these children NOT wearing Kippas and Tzitzis in school?<br /> <br />When boys of this age who are attending a Chabad school don't wear these items it suggests a very serious problem. Is there any way for you to logically and concisely respond to this?<br /><br />Obviously not. If you can, please do so. The mothers personal dress-code is completely irrelevant to this serious concern. <br />When you dismiss it so callously with an attack against the mother, what does that say about you?<br /><br />P.S.<br /><br />Would you like to call me an ignorant fool?<br /><br />Would you like to say that I have an anti Chabad agenda?True Chosidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18757152364042055212014-03-06T17:15:49.407+02:002014-03-06T17:15:49.407+02:00I don't hate Beth at all.
I'm not a mind ...I don't hate Beth at all.<br /><br />I'm not a mind reader, but I've been following her blog closely and I haven't seen one picture of the boys wearing a kippa when they are with her. I have no problem with that per se, but when there's a picture of them on a class trip without a kippa, suddenly she cares? Suddenly all hell breaks loose? That just can't be true. Why do I insist that she is faking her concern? Simply, if she cares about them wearing a kippa, she would make sure they wear one when they are with her. If they don't, it means she doesn't care.<br />What point is unclear here?<br />I just dont like to be played. edithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-86946178828457891052014-03-06T16:56:35.634+02:002014-03-06T16:56:35.634+02:00The board of deputies has seen some of the documen...The board of deputies has seen some of the documents and described them as a stain on Austria. Are you a lawyer? Do you honestly expect anyone to regard your anonymous opinion as being more accurate than a senior lawyer in the board of deputies?<br /><br />We know the truth, I suspect deep down you do too, but won't admit it.<br /><br />You sound like you are close to the Schlesinger family from the tone and arrogance of your postings. Perhaps you could ask him to show you the docs you are after. You could then email them to daas Torah or set up a blog site of your own to put over your case.the factsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57427356680856744142014-03-06T16:21:42.175+02:002014-03-06T16:21:42.175+02:00DT - you have a rather strange concept of Judaism ...DT - you have a rather strange concept of Judaism or a rather skewed understanding of psychology to lash out at a rational argument with accusations of hatred and mind reading.<br /><br />I don't know who's right, and I emphasize that my personal sympathies are with the mother's right to be more involved with her children, but I cannot accept your once again using your pulpit to bully someone out of their attempt to present a rational position contrary to yours. This lady, Edith, is suggesting an hypocrisy in the mother decrying lack of kippa-wearing for young children (which is NO mitzvah) when she her self seems to be fast and loose with her own mitzvah observance. This doesn't mean the mother is a sinner for wearing pants and not covering her hair, but at the same time she's not in the position to pontificate about the virtues of being makpid b'minhagei lavush.yyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07148467161702064439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70744780527509166402014-03-06T15:25:26.488+02:002014-03-06T15:25:26.488+02:00Edith, it is against Austrian law to publish court...Edith, it is against Austrian law to publish court documents! Nobody, even if they had access to them, is going to post them here! Isn't it sufficient for you to see how the mother's supporters (some of whom know her personally, some by Internet) are arguing so logically and compassionately, and, simultaneously, Team Schlesinger with sadistic, cruel and poorly thought-out comments?Never!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23533817459658900742014-03-06T15:01:57.680+02:002014-03-06T15:01:57.680+02:00Edith how would it help if Beth were to show any ...Edith how would it help if Beth were to show any documents? <br />The father isnt even complying with the rediculous limited visiting! . He just keeps attacking Beth and doesn't seem to care about the happiness of his boys and what he is doing to them!Rachel Levynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-65786923413386491022014-03-06T14:57:20.984+02:002014-03-06T14:57:20.984+02:00@edith - you have a rather strange concept of Juda...@edith - you have a rather strange concept of Judaism or a rather naive understanding of psychology. Or perhaps your hatred towards Beth is blinding you to the obvious. Why do you insist that she is faking her concern about her children's religious observance? Are you a mind reader?<br /><br />There is absolutely no justification for your outrage about this nonsensical claim<br /><br />Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-52559301606584594792014-03-06T14:47:57.559+02:002014-03-06T14:47:57.559+02:00the claim is not that she shouldnt be concerned ab...the claim is not that she shouldnt be concerned about her children's observance - she should! <br />But for someone who wears pants and who photographs them all the time when they visit her NOT wearing a kippa, it takes a certain kind of chutzpah to then post feigned outrage that they're not wearing a kippa on a school trip.!<br />The point is not the kippa - the point is the feigned religious outrage!edithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-48510222477834740602014-03-06T14:22:20.645+02:002014-03-06T14:22:20.645+02:00again, let Beth show us the court document - if th...again, let Beth show us the court document - if there's nothing there to incriminate her, why wont she?<br />edithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-21831632516473651642014-03-06T12:26:11.682+02:002014-03-06T12:26:11.682+02:00I understand that the father is a medical doctor. ...I understand that the father is a medical doctor. Does having PPD mean that all mothers that suffer it should have their children taken away, includung me. I must have been lucky.<br /> I had a aympathetic doctor and husbamd although sadly we are now <br />divorced. We make sure that we do <br />our very best for our children though <br />and put our differences aside for them.<br />I understand, unlike me, medical reports state that Beth has never suffered from any mental illness at all, <br />ever. Even if she did she should have <br />received help. Can we now be told the<br /> real reason why Beth s children were taken away from her and also why sh<br />e is allowed such little contact with <br />them and even the father is refusing to<br /> give her even that?<br />A Rabbi in NY ? If a Rabbi in NY tells the father to give Beth custody, would he do it?Rachel Levynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-68553725386597262962014-03-06T12:10:18.278+02:002014-03-06T12:10:18.278+02:00Dr. Schlesinger's supporters have been making ...Dr. Schlesinger's supporters have been making a rather bizarre and disgusting claim that Beth should not be concerned about the religious education of her children if she herself does not maintain a certain level of religious observance according to their judgment.<br /><br />First of all, Rav Moshe Feinstein permits a divorced woman not to cover her hair when their is need such as to be able to get remarried etc. Thus hair covering for a divorcee is not the same prohibition as for a married woman.<br /><br />However this disgusting claim by those who are conducting a smear campaign against Beth indicates that those who propose it apparently feel that hurting Beth and her children is the most important consideration. If Beth wants her children to wear tzitzis she is told she has no right to want that. If she wants the children to wear a kippah - she is told "who are you to ask for such things." <br /><br />Even worse than this is the fundamental denial of the rights of these children to their mother and to get proper care. <br /><br />As a minimum these children need to be given an independent psychological evaluation and Dr. Schlesinger needs to be given an independent psychiatric evaluations as to whether he is a fit father. The constant deflecting of concern for the children by a smear campaign against Beth is really sick. (More on this issue later)Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-87202726787935723012014-03-06T11:54:58.526+02:002014-03-06T11:54:58.526+02:00I have seen nothing to indicate anything Beth and ...I have seen nothing to indicate anything Beth and her family says is not 100% correct.<br /><br />She has the public backing of British MPs, board of deputies and a beis din.<br /><br />Where is the backing for the father???<br /><br />How about facing reality for once in your life?everythingnoreply@blogger.com