tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post6923449883465032629..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Is a person tested with a task beyond his ability? Two opposing viewsDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75336477900932989142023-08-15T16:06:24.749+03:002023-08-15T16:06:24.749+03:00So according to the 2nd position, feiglach are pa...So according to the 2nd position, feiglach are patur. That's eventually what R Riskin has argued.Kalonymus HaQatannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-7491576359858013682013-04-09T00:35:10.722+03:002013-04-09T00:35:10.722+03:00Interesting. Mathematically that suggests a first-...Interesting. Mathematically that suggests a first-order approximation :).Dmitry Kreslavskiyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00404300103722879477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-63949693123136692242013-04-08T17:47:03.225+03:002013-04-08T17:47:03.225+03:00Companies often include "stretch goals" ...Companies often include "stretch goals" in their budgets, knowing that some could be impossible to meet. In those cases, the rationale is that the result will be be better than it would have been with a conventional goal.RAMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-88083896647167668892013-04-07T20:29:40.222+03:002013-04-07T20:29:40.222+03:00If HQBH gives you a situation that requires an act...If HQBH gives you a situation that requires an action you're incapable of doing to get out of, then clearly He isn't testing you. Straight logic: it's not a test if there is only one possible outcome.<br /><br />OTOH, it could be that the outcome He is seeking is not removal from the danger, but your attitude in how it's faced. In which case, what is off is our understanding of success -- and yes, it is a test the person could pass.<br /><br />I wouldn't dwell on the quotes from R' Tzadoq, since Izhbitz notions of what is included in bechirah chafshi are so far from my own intuitions. If you believe that the only choice a person can make is whether or not he thinks he is doing Hashem's Will when he acts, that the action itself is not decided through bechirah, then of course your notions of testing and success will be different than most. More along the lines of "my other hand".<br /><br />According to R' Dessler, whether or not a sin someone did because his nequdas habechirah was nowhere near making the right choice counts as an aveirah is really secondary. A person's perfection inheres in which direction their decision point is moving and how quickly, and it's that -- not a tally of actions -- that the heavenly court judges.micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-1799389040392373092013-04-07T19:01:59.112+03:002013-04-07T19:01:59.112+03:00I still don't see it that way. In fact, had th...I still don't see it that way. In fact, had they married and had children who would either have distracted them from their leadership role or who would have not have lived up to their fathers' level, they would have succeeded.<br />Their aveiro was in striving for success from their own vantage point. But the goal is not to do what feels right to you, but what Hashem commands you to do!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11438072730002689667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-40503726177996559752013-04-07T18:25:09.987+03:002013-04-07T18:25:09.987+03:00need to reconcile it with this
(3-4) ספר דברי סו...need to reconcile it with this<br /><br /><br />(3-4) ספר דברי סופרים - אות ז <br />ז) השם יתברך מנסה כל הצדיקים כמו שנאמר (תהלים י"א ה') ה' צדיק יבחן, ונאמר (שם פסוק ד') ועפעפיו יבחנו בני אדם משמע כל בני אדם, ובשמות רבה (ריש פרשה ב' ב') מפרש עלה ולמי בוחן לצדיק וכו', והיינו רק לאפוקי הרשעים שאין יכולים לעמוד וכמו שאמרו (בראשית רבה ריש פרשה נ"ה ב'), ועמך כולם צדיקים שאין לך אדם מישראל שאין עליו שם צדיק באיזה דבר [שמי שהוא צדיק לגבי דבר אחד אף דבדברים אחרים רשע, נקרא צדיק באותו דבר כמו שכתב בחידושי הרמב"ן נדה (י"ד ריש ע"א)]:<br />ובתנחומא (שמות ז', ושמות רבה ב' ז') אין הקב"ה נותן גדולה לאדם עד שבודקהו בדבר קטן, ולאו דוקא גדולה והתנשאות על זולתו אלא הוא הדין כל מעלה ומדריגה, והנסיון הכל לפי מה שהוא אדם כפי מה שיוכל לעמוד, וכמו שאמרו (סנהדרין י"ט סוף ע"ב) תקפו של יוסף ענותנותו וכו', והשם יתברך בוחן לבות ויודע איך לנסות כל אחד לפי מה שהוא:<br />ובכתובות (ל"ג ע"ב) אלמלא נגדוהו וכו' ובתוס' שם דפלחו משמע על זה דהיו מחויבים לסבול גם יסורים קשים, ועל כרחך משום דהיה נסיון יותר מכפי כוחם וכדרך שאמרו (שוחר טוב מזמור ט"ז) בדורו של שמד אינו יכול לעשות ומה היו וכו' עיין שם, ולמדו זה מדלא הביא הקב"ה הנסיון בנגדא כי הנסיון הוא בדבר היותר גדול שיוכל לעמוד והיה לו להביא הנסיון בנגדא, ועל כרחך דידע יתברך שלא יוכלו לעמוד בזה והביא כפי כוחם:<br />ועל כן אמרו (עבודה זרה ד' סוף ע"ב) לא היו ישראל ודוד ראוים לאותו מעשה, כי איך הביא השם יתברך נסיון יותר מכפי כח אדם, וההוא דדוד המלך ע"ה נסיון היה כמו שאמרו בסנהדרין (ק"ז.), וכן חטא עגל כמו שאמרו (ברכות ל"ב ריש ע"א) על פסוק (דברים א' א') ודי זהב מה יעשה הבן וכו', ועל כרחך דהיה בכוחם לעמוד נגד יצרם בזה:Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-51034062242808994432013-04-07T18:12:11.837+03:002013-04-07T18:12:11.837+03:00Found it
ר' צדוק הכהן מלובלין (צדקת הצדיק אות...Found it<br /><br />ר' צדוק הכהן מלובלין (צדקת הצדיק אות מג): פעמים יש אדם עומד בניסיון גדול כל כך עד שאי אפשר לו שלא יחטא כדרך שאמרו (ברכות ל"ב א) מה יעשה הבן וכו' ובזה הוא נחשב אונס גמור דרחמנא פטריה. וגם בהסתת היצר בתוקף עצום שאי אפשר לנצחו שייך אונס [ואם ה' יתברך הסיב את לבו הרי אין חטא זה חטא כלל רק שרצון ה' יתברך היה כך] ועיין מה שאמרו (כתובות נ"א ב) גבי תחילתו באונס אפילו צווחת לבסוף שאלמלא מניחה היא שוכרתו מותרת לבעלה, מאי טעמא יצר אלבשה הרי דזה מיחשב אונס גמור אף על פי שהוא מרצונה מכל מקום יצר גדול כזה אי אפשר באדם לכופו והוא אונס גמור ואין בזה עונש אף דעשה איסור כיון דהיה אנוס. אבל האדם עצמו אין יכול להעיד על עצמו בזה כי אולי עדיין היה לו כח לכוף היצר [וכמו ששמעתי בזה מענין זמרי שטעה בזה]:Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34979398807110938192013-04-07T18:09:21.767+03:002013-04-07T18:09:21.767+03:00Someone on Hirhurim said it's in Tzidaks Hatza...Someone on Hirhurim said it's in Tzidaks Hatzadik(Joel Rich posted about the question this week).<br /><br />http://torahmusings.com/2013/04/audio-roundup-82/<br /><br />R Simcha Feurman in one of his psychology columns in the Jewish Press also quoted it.Shades of Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03029177164921795725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-3978915569286708912013-04-07T17:57:47.825+03:002013-04-07T17:57:47.825+03:00yes it is very relevant. Question is where is it?yes it is very relevant. Question is where is it?Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17070186900944828122013-04-07T17:48:28.491+03:002013-04-07T17:48:28.491+03:001) Is this R. Tzadok relevant(I've seen it quo...1) Is this R. Tzadok relevant(I've seen it quoted in more than one article, but haven't seen the original, see Avodah, below)?<br /><br />"His main point was that everyone should remember that we are human beings and HKBH expects us to sin and that we just have to keep on trying to<br />improve ourselves. People often say about nisyonos that "HKBH wouldn't<br />have given you a nisayon that you couldn't overcome."<br /><br />This is false. R' Reisman said in the name of R' Tzadok that sometimes<br />the nisayon is so great that when a person fails the nisayon, he wasn't<br />a ba'al bechira in this regard - he became an "oinais" [sorry for my<br />creative spelling]."<br /><br />Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:23:59 -0500<br />From: "Aryeh Stein" <br />Subject: Dealing with guilt and depression<br />Avodah: Volume 16, Number 167<br /><br />2) This topic("Impossible tasks are given") is perhaps somewhat similar to the issue of homosexuality:<br /><br />From Torah Declaration:<br /><br />"From a Torah perspective, the question whether homosexual inclinations and behaviors are changeable is extremely relevant. The concept that G-d created a human being who is unable to find happiness in a loving relationship unless he violates a biblical prohibition is neither plausible nor acceptable. G-d is loving and merciful."Shades of Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03029177164921795725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34596378053228864242013-04-07T15:51:16.338+03:002013-04-07T15:51:16.338+03:00But that is the point of the Ksav Sofer. They felt...But that is the point of the Ksav Sofer. They felt the only way to avoid failure was not to get married. They felt that they had to succeed and the only way was to disregard the mitzva of marriage and children.<br /><br />Their analysis that they could not have both worlds was correct - the course of action that they decided was wrong. Thus we see that a person can be put in an impossible situation - but he has to accept the impossible and do the best he can. <br /><br />Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84535705834893377232013-04-07T14:35:11.284+03:002013-04-07T14:35:11.284+03:00I don't really see that the Ksav Sofer points ...I don't really see that the Ksav Sofer points to an impossible task at which they must fail. I see that they made a mistaken cheshbon - but certainly they could have reached the conclusion that it was not their issue at all.<br />It is clear from Rav Dessler's letters on the nikudas habechira in the Michtav Me'Eliyahu, that if a person is presented with a situation in which he MUST fail, that he will not be punished for it. As such, is it an aveiro for him at that point in his life? I'm not sure.<br />My Rebbe (who knows a bit about my background) said that if I had turned into a drug dealer, I could not be blamed. Does that mean that I would not have been able to resist that path? But I did! So would I have been blamed or not?<br />Finally, even when a bas kol said that Acher could not do Teshuva, this too was a test that he could have passed by ignoring it and doing Teshuva. By accepting the bas kol, he failed a passable test.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11438072730002689667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6335018929322552162013-04-07T14:25:22.532+03:002013-04-07T14:25:22.532+03:00Constantly dealing with the community is a great r...Constantly dealing with the community is a great risk factor in raising children but can be overcome. It is not inevitable. Aharon's sons did not want to expose themselves to the risk of having bad children. Avraham1noreply@blogger.com