tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post6793506838000598407..comments2024-03-28T21:30:33.665+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Rabbi Meiselman's Torah, Chazal & Science - Chazal are infallible even regarding ScienceDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger88125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-32284340941793087012023-03-12T13:37:42.668+02:002023-03-12T13:37:42.668+02:00It's possible, like its possible to take a ph...It's possible, like its possible to take a photo of yourself wearing tefillin at Stonehenge. <br />it's not proof that frum Jews used to visit Stonehenge 5000 years ago.Kalonymus HaQatannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84545055207452885102023-03-12T05:49:29.646+02:002023-03-12T05:49:29.646+02:00No there's notNo there's notGarnel Ironheartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-73879986894920452832023-03-11T22:32:26.111+02:002023-03-11T22:32:26.111+02:00I don't know where you have seen these photos....I don't know where you have seen these photos. If they are genuine they can imply that Curious archaeologists existed thousands of years ago. <br /><br />see this https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/did-humans-and-dinosaurs-ever-live-togetherKalonymus HaQatannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54067383853454420372023-03-11T22:10:22.914+02:002023-03-11T22:10:22.914+02:00There are photographs of fossilized dinosaur foots...There are photographs of fossilized dinosaur footsteps, together with human footsteps. That implies that the dinosaur was contemporary with man, and humans and dinosaurs roamed the earth together.IsraelReadernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6518827738112331682023-03-10T14:57:59.066+02:002023-03-10T14:57:59.066+02:00Because what do scientists know? They change thei...Because what do scientists know? They change their minds all the time so they don't really know anything.Garnel Ironheartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-60534755679920239742023-03-10T14:57:37.646+02:002023-03-10T14:57:37.646+02:00The Flinstones was not a documentary.The Flinstones was not a documentary.Garnel Ironheartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-9029252845898743002023-03-10T13:32:04.965+02:002023-03-10T13:32:04.965+02:00Yes, I started blogging about the mabul then, bu...Yes, I started blogging about the mabul then, but had no viewers....Kalonymus HaQatannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-42424173127033265122023-03-10T13:31:08.704+02:002023-03-10T13:31:08.704+02:00When they lived, there were no humans. They died...When they lived, there were no humans. They died hundreds of millions of years ago after massive meteors caused darkness and mass extinctions. <br /><br />The only exception, is a small Island near Siberia where some Woolly mammoths died out around 5000 years ago. They were not true dinosaurs.Kalonymus HaQatannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-30544755341540459142023-03-10T00:08:01.050+02:002023-03-10T00:08:01.050+02:00How do you know that no dinosaurs were living 5000...How do you know that no dinosaurs were living 5000 years ago?IsraelReadernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54233718620767688002023-03-09T23:09:45.528+02:002023-03-09T23:09:45.528+02:00And you were there?And you were there?Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-86371092929308430292023-03-09T18:46:41.016+02:002023-03-09T18:46:41.016+02:00No dinos were living 5000 years agoNo dinos were living 5000 years agoKalonymus HaQatannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-3340421871481113382023-03-09T16:52:44.411+02:002023-03-09T16:52:44.411+02:00Assuming that there were no dinosaurs in Noach'...Assuming that there were no dinosaurs in Noach's Ark, therefore?IsraelReadernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-47421546513856674152023-03-09T15:44:40.523+02:002023-03-09T15:44:40.523+02:00We rely on one man to tell us this, and he may be...We rely on one man to tell us this, and he may be a fine talmid chacham, but his word alone does not prove a thing. <br />In fact, the Talmud itself goes to great lengths to show Chazal were not infallible, in matters of halacha. Torah specifies the korbanot they need to bring. <br /><br />So I fail to see the value of this reform book, which opposes the Torah itself.Kalonymus HaQatannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8802476425919604602023-03-09T15:01:28.191+02:002023-03-09T15:01:28.191+02:00Once again, Rav Meiselman, there were no dinosaurs...Once again, Rav Meiselman, there were no dinosaurs on the Ark.Garnel Ironheartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-39822850585115288552018-11-19T01:39:41.533+02:002018-11-19T01:39:41.533+02:00" Rabbi Meiselman is uniquely qualified to ad..." Rabbi Meiselman is uniquely qualified to address the delicate topic of <br />Torah and science. He was trained by outstanding academicians in a <br />variety of disciplines – mathematics, philosophy and several of the <br />natural sciences"<br /><br /><br />No, he is not trained in sciences, although he was trained in mathematics. the 2 are not the same. However, this idea that a Rabbi can make an objective, truthful or balanced study of on the one hand, what he believes in , prays about, preaches and lives his life, and on the other disdains, rejects, mocks , and warns his students not to pursue (ie secular/scientific studies) is far fetched to say the least.<br />One of his "Talmidim", another ex -academic, R' Dovid Gottlieb, admits on one of his essays, that neither he nor Meiselman have studied science! yet they have the Gaavah to pass expert opinions on fields they have no qualifications or abilities in.Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-64942924424877913522018-11-18T23:48:54.193+02:002018-11-18T23:48:54.193+02:00Well saidWell saidEddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-27996949218166112382014-09-22T05:59:39.133+03:002014-09-22T05:59:39.133+03:00Hello Sir,
I wish to solicit your formal permissio...Hello Sir,<br />I wish to solicit your formal permission to feature the image of Rabbi Meiselman in my upcoming Christian Book. I would be glad to read soon from you on this request. Cheers........................! LL.LH<br /><br />__//<br />LONLON Tekpa<br />tekpa@live.comLonlon Tekpanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-44226889404697580912014-02-05T21:27:40.400+02:002014-02-05T21:27:40.400+02:00I was reviewing the comments and I was just going ...I was reviewing the comments and I was just going to say that! There are arguments that one can make against Rabbi Meiselman, but they require actually reading the book!<br /><br />Here's my review, _after_ reading the entire book: http://patentlyjewish.com/meiselman-torah-science-chazal-book-review/<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11594937206327835868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15428980375543140732013-12-04T22:37:37.053+02:002013-12-04T22:37:37.053+02:00Some comments have been made about R Meiselman'...Some comments have been made about R Meiselman's views on R' Soloveitchik, and revisionism, i.e. claiming the Rav was not Zionists or Modern.<br /><br />This is an article by R' Rakeffet, which gives a detailed biography of the Rav, and his changing views on Zionism.<br /><br />http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/front-page/the-religious-zionism-of-rav-soloveitchik/2013/05/01/0/Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-81265895943620343732013-12-03T21:25:43.596+02:002013-12-03T21:25:43.596+02:00R' Harry's view:
http://haemtza.blogspot....R' Harry's view:<br /><br />http://haemtza.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/rabbi-meiselman-science-torah-and-chazal.html<br /><br />obviously I am closer to RHM's hashkafa.Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17842784462094970762013-12-03T18:44:41.009+02:002013-12-03T18:44:41.009+02:00Well it is not "obviously" incorrect. i...Well it is not "obviously" incorrect. it is correct and accurate, to the nearest integer. If I tell you the way to Emek Refaim is 3Km, when in fact it is 3.1415 Km, it is a reasonable estimate. <br />It is an approximation, but there are better approximations. My view is that Chazal were not in the Yeshiva University of their day, and didn't divide their time between Talmudic studies and geometry classes. <br />So it is not so much a question of it being absolutely true, but how accurate it was, and for that time, was it the best calculation that would have been available?<br />The ration of 3 is also used in the NaKh, ie Kings and Chronicles. This isn't necessarily the calculation that was given to King David , which he handed down to Solomon. It is the King's chronicler who wrote down the description of what took place in the Temple. <br /><br />It is ironic, that certain "missions" are attributed to me, when you basically say that the calculation is so easy a child could do it, and hence we cannot believe the figure given by Chazal.<br /><br />And now this raises a question.<br /><br />Chazal refers to all Chachamim of the Mishnaic and Tannaitic eras. Many opinions given in the total body of Chazalic literature are not considered to be authoritative. Famous example being that Ein Moshiach L'Yisrael.<br />Questioning the accuracy of a non-halachic, secular calculation entertained by some Rabbis of the Talmud is not in and of itself a rejection of the Torah and Talmud (although some hold that it is).<br />In fact, Rambam often does this, and says we don't follow everything the sages said , eg astronomy, astrology etc. <br />Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-47634850948859663512013-12-03T13:43:03.143+02:002013-12-03T13:43:03.143+02:00Eddie what I am saying is obvious - except to thos...Eddie what I am saying is obvious - except to those who don't want to hear. I gather that everything written in the Torah and Talmud you take at face vaule?! When something is so obviously incorrect and yet so easily determined - the normal response is to look for an alternative understanding that makes sense. If your mission is to show that Chazal not only did not have superior knowledge but in fact had inferior knowledge then it makes sense that you would be overjoyed at using this as confirmation. If you weren't so motivated - then you obviously would look for another explanation.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-5654409453791736192013-12-03T12:58:40.245+02:002013-12-03T12:58:40.245+02:00I am sorry DT - your argument seems to me to be ve...I am sorry DT - your argument seems to me to be very poorly made, and I don't quite follow what you are suggesting. <br /><br />Pi is essentially a mathematical ratio - which has nothing to do with halacha. So there is no commentary required on this statement. Rashi /tosafos et al cannot make any comments on this since it is not a Torah matter. If they do, it is superfluous. <br /><br />"You can't say that the gemora is saying Chazal viewed pi as 3. You can't even say that was the view of R Yochanon."<br /><br />That is what the Gemara is saying. Perhaps I can't say that the url of this blog is http://daattorah.blogspot.co.uk/<br /><br />Or that the administrator is R' Daniel Eidensohn. Or that today (day of posting this) s Tuesday.<br /><br />Perhaps in fact, you do not exist, and this blog was just created as a ruse to confuse people.<br /><br />You are in denial.<br />That is what the gemara says. since it is an obvious inaccuracy, at least for today's standards, you are seeking some hidden meaning or discussion. In other words, you are simply in denial.<br /><br />I will repeat again what the link you provided says:<br /><br />" The Gemara gives the value of Pi as being 3 (Eruvin 14a), and Tosafos points out that, based on the context, the Gemara does not seem to be giving an approximation."<br /><br />I do not have to say that the gemara says this. it said it before I was born.<br /><br /><br /><br />Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-58876274618932800072013-12-03T11:44:12.663+02:002013-12-03T11:44:12.663+02:00Eddie again we are not talking about atomic physic...Eddie again we are not talking about atomic physics or DNA or any other hidden phenomena that takes advanced equipment to discover.. Take a 1 foot rod. Take a rope and make a cirle with the rod as the diameter. Any 8 year old will discover that the length of the rope is not 3. <br /><br />Given the obvious and readily observed fact - the question is what is the meaning of the gemora? You can't say that the gemora is saying Chazal viewed pi as 3. You can't even say that was the view of R Yochanon.<br /><br />That is the starting point of the discussion - not your claim that Chazal thought pi was 3.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-27044866643406236722013-12-03T11:26:34.412+02:002013-12-03T11:26:34.412+02:00The link you provide supports my assertion:
"...The link you provide supports my assertion:<br /><br />" The Gemara gives the value of Pi as being 3 (Eruvin 14a), and Tosafos points out that, based on the context, the Gemara does not seem to be giving an approximation."<br /><br />It is a rule of thumb, but it is not accurate. The question is what Chazal held it to be, not what the Gra did 1200 years later. If there is a statement of Chazal which proves that they knew it better that is calculated today, please let us know.<br />Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.com